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9/11 Museum Not the Best Place for a Cocktail Party
New York Magazine ^ | Caroline Bankoff

Posted on 05/21/2014 1:16:41 PM PDT by nickcarraway

The tension surrounding the National September 11 Memorial Museum's position as both a grave site and a moneymaking tourist attraction continued on Wednesday, when it finally opened to the general public. Both the New York Post and the New York Daily News spoke to first-responders and relatives of 9/11 victims who were upset to learn that the museum was the site of a cocktail party attended by Michael Bloomberg and other donors on Tuesday night. Tuesday was the last day for people who were directly affected by the attacks on the Twin Towers to visit the space for free, and some were reportedly turned away from the door as the 60-person, black-tie get-together and preparations for opening day began. The Daily News reports that a group of firefighters who were asked to leave early walked out "in tears."

"To have a festive occasion on human remains, it's repulsive, it's repugnant," said John Feal, who volunteered at ground zero and advocates for 9/11 first-responders. Sally Regenhard, whose firefighter son died in the towers, said that the party was "a prime example" of why the unidentified remains stored in a private repository "must be removed immediately from this building — from this site of commercialism, parties, drinking, catering." Meanwhile, an anonymous museum employee told the Daily News, "I don't think alcohol should be allowed in there. It's a sacred ground and [the partygoers] desecrated it."

Museum spokesman Michael Frazier responded to the complaints, saying, "The days-long preview included 24-hour operations over that period. We had to close the museum to prepare the space for our historic public opening [Wednesday]. While closed for these preparations, there was a very small and short gathering for donors. Those donors include Conde Nast, which is sponsoring [Wednesday's] free admission. The small gathering was done respectfully and in recognition of our supporters, who helped to build this important institution." Still, it seems that it would be best for everyone if Tuesday's event were the last party the museum had for quite a while.


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1 posted on 05/21/2014 1:16:41 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

I know many liberals secretly cheer the events that brought down the WTC. They think America deserved it for being so Capitalist.


2 posted on 05/21/2014 1:22:11 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

You need to find some new friends


3 posted on 05/21/2014 1:28:02 PM PDT by enraged
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To: Telepathic Intruder

Sorry. Thought you said you knew many. Old tired eyes. My apologies


4 posted on 05/21/2014 1:29:40 PM PDT by enraged
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To: nickcarraway

Where are the two or three churches that were supposed to be built on this ground? At least that’s what the seer who foretold this attack said. Non-denominational churches/chapels.


5 posted on 05/21/2014 1:31:31 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: nickcarraway
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Here's to all those dead people. Disgusting.
6 posted on 05/21/2014 1:31:50 PM PDT by Dallas59 ("Remember me as you pass by, As you are now, so once was I, As I am now, so you will be")
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To: nickcarraway

Some people need to move on. Its a reception in a museum for crying out loud. Does that mean a party should never be held in the Freedom Tower since its supposedly built on the same “hallowed ground”?


7 posted on 05/21/2014 1:33:41 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: Dallas59

You expect anything different from Sodom on the Hudson?


8 posted on 05/21/2014 1:34:12 PM PDT by dblshot (I am John Galt.)
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To: dblshot

Booze is apparently safer than Big Gulps...and smart cocktail parties on the graves of dead people...No.


9 posted on 05/21/2014 1:36:02 PM PDT by Dallas59 ("Remember me as you pass by, As you are now, so once was I, As I am now, so you will be")
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To: bigdaddy45

I guess you have no problem with cocktail parties at the Tomb of the Unknowns at Arlington?

A Memorial where human remains are laid to rest is far different from the office building.


10 posted on 05/21/2014 1:39:55 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: nickcarraway

Ugh, ugh, and more ugh. What next? Cocktail parties at Auschwitz?


11 posted on 05/21/2014 1:40:07 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: bigdaddy45

1 World Trade Center is a place of business - of course, parties can be held in the various offices.

But the museum should be off-limits for these kind of things. A little respect. Maybe after 50 years but not now when so many survivors and families are still around.


12 posted on 05/21/2014 1:42:37 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Dallas59

13 posted on 05/21/2014 1:43:22 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: Dallas59

My husband was close to all the folks who were incinerated and or jumped to their deaths at Windows on the World. These young people were probably toddlers at the time. They disgust me. Why don’t they move to Pearl Harbor with their exotic drinks? /s


14 posted on 05/21/2014 1:44:58 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: bigdaddy45

Well, it isn’t really just a museum, is it.....


15 posted on 05/21/2014 1:45:10 PM PDT by clintonh8r (#Don't give up! The liberals are buggering and aborting themselves into extinction.)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

Pee in their iced tea...


16 posted on 05/21/2014 1:45:54 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: bigdaddy45

I notice, Big Daddy, that you don’t mention your state. I suspect it is no where near where the atrocity took place. Distance is so...well, distancing...


17 posted on 05/21/2014 1:47:04 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: miss marmelstein

Time is also very distancing. It’s been 13 years, somebody has died everywhere. It’s a tourist attraction now, which is kind of gaudy, but tourist attraction generally get cocktail party openings, and other parties will be held there.


18 posted on 05/21/2014 1:50:55 PM PDT by discostu (Seriously, do we no longer do "phrasing"?!)
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To: miss marmelstein

No, but I used to work in the Pentagon.

Again, some people will always find a reason to be outraged. I really don’t see where this is the crime of the century.


19 posted on 05/21/2014 1:51:52 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: bigdaddy45
ts a reception in a museum for crying out loud. Does that mean a party should never be held in the Freedom Tower since its supposedly built on the same “hallowed ground”?

Why yes. Yes, it does.

20 posted on 05/21/2014 1:55:18 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: nickcarraway

Those people should be ashamed of themselves


21 posted on 05/21/2014 1:55:50 PM PDT by redhawk.44mag
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To: bigdaddy45

What is the crime of the century? The cocktail party or the destruction of the Trade Centers?


22 posted on 05/21/2014 1:56:14 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: discostu

Sorry; Americans should not hold drinking parties in mausoleums of any type. Just no.


23 posted on 05/21/2014 1:57:08 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: discostu

Well, Arizona, maybe you don’t feel much about all that burning flesh I smelled on that day. I remember it very clearly, closing all the windows and checking to see if a friend or colleague had been incinerated. Oops! Yes, they had!


24 posted on 05/21/2014 1:59:33 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Albion Wilde

We probably shouldn’t, but we’re a tacky people. And we like to blur lines. It’s not really a mausoleum, even though it has remains it’s considered a museum, and like most American museums that means a gift shop (with some really tacky crap). It’s pretty standard for a donation funded museum to open with a cocktail party for the big donors, it’s a standard thing. Meet and greats, and photo-ops, and proving you care while hobnobbing with the elite are major reasons why big donors are big donors. The recognition tends to be a lot more important than the cause.


25 posted on 05/21/2014 2:04:08 PM PDT by discostu (Seriously, do we no longer do "phrasing"?!)
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To: enraged

Well I do know some. I can’t help it though, being a close relative. Some are more afflicted than others, of course. I could tell you things that would make your hair curl. But I can’t do anything, because they won’t listen. Now I just try to avoid politics unless they bring it up first.


26 posted on 05/21/2014 2:04:35 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Just because I disagree with liberals doesn’t mean I have to act like one.

The thought has crossed my mind, though...


27 posted on 05/21/2014 2:06:04 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: miss marmelstein

Who said anything about not feeling much about it? I’m simply pointing to basic realities of the situation, it’s an event that was 13 years ago, that’s put a lot of distance between us and then, entertainment that came out that year is old, ground breaking TV shows have had their entire run in that time. Meanwhile, it’s America, we have certain things we do in America, some of which don’t really fit properly with the situation but we do it anyway. Like it or not the 9/11 Museum is a donation collecting organism, and donations collecting museums always have a high brow cocktail party for the big donors as part of the opening ceremony. And yeah that’s a little gauche in this case, but that’s the path they went down when they started collecting money from the movers and shakers of NYC, they don’t write big checks for fun, or even for belief, they do it for photo-ops that show how much they care. The only way we were ever going to avoid this was to not have a museum in the first place, of course then people would be complaining that we aren’t recognizing an important event.


28 posted on 05/21/2014 2:09:35 PM PDT by discostu (Seriously, do we no longer do "phrasing"?!)
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To: discostu

The twin towers should have been rebuilt. That would have taken care of everything. Thirteen years may be a lot of time to you but not to me. For years, I had to drive in past that mess, past the Islamic center trying to gain a foothold on sacred ground and still trying to mosey their way in. Geert Wilders has shown more sensitivity to this event than Americans spread across the fruited land.

The “high brow” cocktail party could have been held at the Temple of Dendor at the Metropolitan Museum of Art or MOMA - no need to hold it near Ground Zero. Manhattan is loaded with gorgeous places to hold a cocktail party to raise funds to keep this museum going. Watching young girls sloshing back cocktails close to where young secretaries and janitors died for no good reason disgusts me.


29 posted on 05/21/2014 2:18:53 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: bigdaddy45

Never

Not ever

It is a cemetery

Even we Irish who love a memorial can wait to get to the shore club or the Blarney Stone before cracking open a beer and telling a joke


30 posted on 05/21/2014 2:21:24 PM PDT by stanne
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To: miss marmelstein

Maybe, but that’s not the path we took. 13 years is a long time period, 3 full presidential terms and change. And it wasn’t Americans spread across the fruited land that planned this party, it was your own New Yorkers.

Couldn’t have held the party somewhere else, part of the point of the party is being “shown” where your donations went. When you build the museum with donations you hold the party AT the museum built, that’s how it’s done. And yeah, that standard is a bit crass here, but again, it’s America, we’re crass a lot.


31 posted on 05/21/2014 2:22:33 PM PDT by discostu (Seriously, do we no longer do "phrasing"?!)
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To: discostu

Arizona, I don’t think you have too much empathy for the people that died that day. Just my intuition. You suspect they were all libs, don’t you?

Of course, the cocktail parties could have been held somewhere else. I suspect, given the backlash, they wished they had been held somewhere else.

And as far as crass? Speak for yourself.


32 posted on 05/21/2014 2:28:14 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: miss marmelstein

I have lots of empathy. I also have lots of realism. I don’t suspect they were anything other than people who went to work that day only to find the world go horrible. I’m not into labeling and name calling, unlike yourself.

No it couldn’t. The point of that donor party is to show them the museum they paid for. If you have it elsewhere the entire function just lost its purpose. They probably had fund raising parties at other places before and during the build, the grand opening party is AT the museum. They don’t care about the backlash, this too shall pass. Two weeks from now you’ll be lucky if anybody remembers there was a party.

Speaking for reality. America does crass real good, this party is another shining example. As individuals we tend to be nice, in groups, especially when there’s money involved, not so much.


33 posted on 05/21/2014 2:33:28 PM PDT by discostu (Seriously, do we no longer do "phrasing"?!)
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To: bigdaddy45

NO. Why doesn’t bloomBERG have it in Aushwitz.


34 posted on 05/21/2014 2:35:09 PM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: discostu

Dude it’s like thirteen years ago, “ground breaking TV shows have had their entire run in that time. Meanwhile, it’s America, we have certain things we do in America”. TV show running times are a great standard to judge historical and national significance. One of the things we used to do was honor our dead particularly our war dead. You either believe these people died in an attack on America and Western Civilization or you don’t. If you don’t it’s a great place for a party. The fact that the last of the unidentified human remains from 9/11 were moved there recently also should have somehow played into the decision. 7 World Trade Center is up and running and hosting parties on a regular basis as it should. That should have been where the reception was held. The museum has to fundraise but not at the expense of the honored dead. Never Forget


35 posted on 05/21/2014 2:45:59 PM PDT by freefdny
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To: discostu

Your America may do crass but my America still has class. This insistence that the only place to have a fundraiser is directly over the remains of the dead is just foolish. It just shows you know very little about New York City. It is a city of so many venues that your head would explode just thinking about all of them. The organizers lacked true common sense and dignity - just as they lacked humility in selling earrings at a 9/11 museum! What next? Human bone earrings at the Anne Frank memorial?

I hope these guys learned their lesson with this blow back and the next fundraiser will take someplace else. I have no problem with World Trade Center 1 - a genuine place of business that undoubtedly has ballrooms/restaurants designed for that purpose.


36 posted on 05/21/2014 2:46:35 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: nickcarraway

what next, a Memorial Day cocktail party for democrat donors at Arlington cemetery?

Great views... they could set up a dance floor
And as the Clintons decided, military dress uniforms make great cocktail servers


37 posted on 05/21/2014 2:48:08 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: bigdaddy45

it’s hallowed ground if the ashes of someone you loved or someone who gave his life in service to others has their remains embedded in the soil

remember how many people simply were incinerated and disappeared at that site. Drink!


38 posted on 05/21/2014 2:50:28 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: miss marmelstein

No your America does crass. Your America puts a gift shop in a museum that has human remains, and then has a cocktail party in it. Sorry to open your eyes to something you’ve apparently been ignoring for a long time, but that is the real, crass America that we’re both in. We might not participate, but that doesn’t mean it’s not real and part of our baggage as Americans.

Not the fundraiser, fundraisers were in other places. This was the “thank you” party, and the “thank you” party happens in the building their money built. That’s the standard. And yeah, they probably should have realized this was a good time to break away from the standard. But we’re crass Americans, that wasn’t going to happen.

If we built an Anne Frank memorial in America it would definitely sell earrings. Probably not with human bones though, there’s a limited audience for stuff that weird.

The only lesson they need to know is that this will blow over in a week or two.


39 posted on 05/21/2014 2:52:51 PM PDT by discostu (Seriously, do we no longer do "phrasing"?!)
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To: silverleaf

By your logic half of Europe is hallowed ground. Millions were incinerated on thousands of battlefields and cities during WWI and WWII.


40 posted on 05/21/2014 3:02:17 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: discostu

You’re cynicism is painful to read. You think that everything passes into memory - so very different than the average freeper who tends to remember every evil inflicted on America.

By the way, “thank you” parties can take place anywhere and everywhere. Have you ever given a thank you party at a friend’s house because your own house could not accommodate the crowds? Probably not, but I have.

In the end, it will be Free Republic and its friends who will keep the memory of America alive. Not the cynical people who shrug and say “what difference does it make?”

Goodnight, Arizona.


41 posted on 05/21/2014 3:02:57 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

I hear you! Half my of family members are life long students. The crap they say and talk about is truly unbelievable. You would think they would grow up eventually. Sadly no.


42 posted on 05/21/2014 3:04:40 PM PDT by enraged
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To: miss marmelstein
So sorry for those memories you have. Time moves slowly after such an experience.

A few months ago I did a 4D jigsaw puzzle of New York. On the timeline you were supposed to remove the Twin Towers in 2001.

When I finished the puzzle I threw it away (it is a once only thing) but kept the Towers; the new Freedom tower and the Statue of Liberty.

Someone had given my a statue of an angel holding a lamb. I arranged the pieces in a semi-circle with the angel behind them. Every time I pass them I say the prayer I learned at Catholic school.....

Eternal rest give unto them, O Lord;
And let perpetual light shine upon them.
May they rest in peace.
Amen.

43 posted on 05/21/2014 3:08:36 PM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/2001 and 9/11/2012: NEVER FORGET.)
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To: miss marmelstein

In between posts from you I went and checked my home e-mail and found that I had a spam/ circular from one of America’s leading department stores informing me that their Memorial Day Sale has already started. And yet here you are insisting America is not a crass nation and things don’t pass into memory. I remember evils inflicted upon America, most people do, but those evils don’t change the reality we live in, which generally involves things like going to work and paying bills.

Different kind of thank you party. This is a party thanking people for the money needed to build this building, for that people expect to be in the building they built.

Lots of things will keep the memory of America alive, but only when folks have a few moments between work and chores.

I’m not cynical, I’m simply willing to admit how reality actually works. Sadly reality doesn’t generally work the nice way. Maybe you should put less effort into labeling people and more effort into understanding the world you live in, so far all of the boxes you try to throw me in show you to simply not understand basic things that surround you. Too busy trying to make yourself FEEL superior, not enough effort BEING superior.


44 posted on 05/21/2014 3:10:56 PM PDT by discostu (Seriously, do we no longer do "phrasing"?!)
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To: bigdaddy45

umm, illogic noted
the WTC terrorist attack site was pretty small and defined by a few city blocks. No objections to cocktails on the Arizona? How about on Omaha Beach?

Drink!


45 posted on 05/21/2014 3:13:30 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: miss marmelstein

You are correct about this. These are the rules for Alamo visitors.

1. Gentlemen, please remove your hats inside the Shrine.
2. No open containers are allowed inside the buildings.
3. No food or drinks are allowed inside the buildings.
4. Photography is not allowed inside the buildings.
5. No camera or cell phone use is permitted inside the buildings.
6. Please do not touch the walls or display cases inside the Shrine.
7. No pets are allowed on Alamo Grounds (service animals allowed).
8. No restrooms inside the Shrine. Public restrooms located at back
of grounds.
9. No obscene or offensive clothing is allowed.
10. No bikes or skateboards are allowed on the grounds.
11. Please lower your voice when speaking.
12. No unauthorized weapons are allowed. CHL allowed with permit.

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46 posted on 05/21/2014 3:18:08 PM PDT by Mears
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To: Albion Wilde

If it made them money fundraising,leftards would throw a big top circus at Arlington.


47 posted on 05/21/2014 3:19:14 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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To: Churchillspirit

Bless you, sir or madam! Bless you!

The town in NJ where I live lost over 700 people. The evening of 9/11, I helped a teacher friend turn the American flag into the distress signal. Many of the parents of her kiddies were not coming home that night. We watched the sky above turn black and had to close the windows against the smell of burning flesh and chemicals.


48 posted on 05/21/2014 3:39:54 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Mears

You Texicans know how to do it properly. Bless you!


49 posted on 05/21/2014 3:41:04 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: miss marmelstein

“You Texicans know how to do it properly. Bless you!”

I’ve been a MA resident my entire long life. :-)

I visited The Alamo and they were very strict about enforcing the rules.

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50 posted on 05/21/2014 3:57:51 PM PDT by Mears
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