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Obamacare Can’t Be Fixed: Tweaking won’t help; the only solution is to repeal and replace.
National Review ^ | 05/23/2014 | Jeffrey H. Anderson

Posted on 05/23/2014 7:59:44 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: onedoug
"The free market, for starters."

Letting the mechanisms of a free market work in health care services would be the ideal solution. However given that a free market place does not (has never?) exist(ed) in health care, all regulation, licensure, accreditation, and insurance programs (Employer,Medicare,Medicaid) would have to be eliminated so that a free market could exist. Me thinks most voters would not buy into that.

41 posted on 05/23/2014 8:48:54 AM PDT by buckalfa (Tilting at Windmills)
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To: SeekAndFind
A RETURN to Medicaid the way it was on its way to bankruptcy?

I am amazed at people who think the government can make healthcare less expensive by creating a gigantic, incompetent, bumbling government bureaucracy that costs trillions of dollars to operate, staffing it with more inefficient government workers, inserting the bureaucracy and its complex and costly rules and regulations into the healthcare system between the healthcare providers and the patient, and dictating what the healthcare provider can and cannot do, and what level and kind of healthcare the patient can have.


42 posted on 05/23/2014 8:51:41 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The “fourth estate”has morphed into a 5th column)
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To: Qiviut

Here is a detailed summary of their proposal for you to consider AND critique:

http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public//index.cfm?a=Files.Serve&File_id=871b0ef8-7705-4f72-aef2-e81d01b9c009


43 posted on 05/23/2014 8:54:33 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: onedoug

The system that preceded Obamacare had little resemblance to a free market! There is/was government involvement in every phase of the enterprise.

The pricing of medical services is based off of Medicare reimbursement schedules, even for non-Medicare patients.

The government subsidizes businesses providing insurance to their workers by making the expense tax-deductible, but does not allow private citizens to deduct the cost of their insurance, skewing the system to employer-provided insurance.

When a person has spent his money, in the current and pre-Obamacare system, he goes on Medicaid, the Federal healthcare plan for the poor. Presumably a “free-market” system that “gets the Ferel (sic) government out of healthcare” would do away with Medicaid.

It goes on and on. The free-market hasn’t obtained in healthcare since the invention of the polio vaccine


44 posted on 05/23/2014 8:55:01 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: SeekAndFind
It's not a replacement by the federal government, as the federal government wouldn't be providing the clinics. It's what would happen, I suspect, if Obamacare were abolished.

Most drug stores and retail that provide prescriptions seem prepped for it with some of the services they already offer. Hospitals such as Cleveland Clinic are also getting into providing relatively reasonably priced testing, vaccination etc at convenient locations.

If the 'pubs were really on our side, and not in the business of finding a way for their corporate sponsors to profit, they'd be say "Repeal and DON'T replace" Obamacare.

45 posted on 05/23/2014 8:57:32 AM PDT by grania
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To: SeekAndFind
"Obamacare Can’t Be Fixed: Tweaking won’t help; the only solution is to repeal. and replace

there....fixed
46 posted on 05/23/2014 9:00:45 AM PDT by stylin19a (Obama ----> Fredo smart)
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To: SeekAndFind

Tremendously unpopular say what deadly is more like it.


47 posted on 05/23/2014 9:16:59 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: SeekAndFind
End all the government welfare bureaucracies, subsidies, safety net programs, Alphabet agencies, etc. etc. etc. and return all that belongs to the private sector, free markets, freedom of choices and the liberties of the individual. Return to a federal government that exists under the strict constraints of the U.S Constitution. Certainly, I could go on.

Return or replace...the tedious realm of conceptual semantics.

48 posted on 05/23/2014 9:19:35 AM PDT by Jagdgewehr (It will take blood.)
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To: SeekAndFind
So when have the Democrat's successfully fixed anything ? Detroit - Still broke. War on Poverty - Number of poor increasing.

It takes a village to destroy a village.

49 posted on 05/23/2014 9:29:40 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: SeekAndFind

If the overlords do not want it for themselves then we should not be forced to use obamacare. Vote all those that voted for it and those RINOs who support it OUT!


50 posted on 05/23/2014 11:04:46 AM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: SeekAndFind

Well then Sir, you seem to have the great idea. Show us.

Start seek and Find Health Insurance, $50 per month for families, no deductibles, cover it all. Show us how it is done....cheaply.

Affordability for a service is not a right. But it is something that will become more prevalent as we get govt OUT of it, ENTIRELY.


51 posted on 05/23/2014 11:45:20 AM PDT by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Americans may think they want healthcare reform, but they really have no idea what that is, and certainly most have no understanding of the economics involved. That's the reason there was no "reform" until the commie tyrant showed up and forced this monstrosity down our throats. It is certainly not the answer, either healthcare wise or economically.

This was enacted in a rush with congress (future convicts) voting on it to "see what was in it", merely to please the tyrant. If a viable proposal for replacement has not already been put forth, then there won't be one, but continuing on the present course toward death panels and economic ruin is not the answer.

52 posted on 05/23/2014 11:55:14 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty ("Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle?" - Patrick Henry, 1775)
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To: RoadGumby

I’ve always believed in EVOLUTION, not REVOLUTION.

You don’t get rid of the things you don’ want in one big bang. You do it by stages. After all, we did not get into our socialized state overnight. It took several decades to get to where we are now. That, I am afraid is what will happen if we want to reverse the course.

So here are some proposals (not comprehensive but we can start here and evolve later ):

1) OPEN HEALTHCARE TO INTERSTATE COMPETITION. People should be allowed to buy healthcare across state lines. Don’t like what the HMO’s in New York are providing? Well allow Healthcare providers in Georgia, Texas, Virginia, and all other 50 states to offer their plans in NY and VICE VERSA.

This one change alone will LOWER cost.

Look what happened to LASIK EYE SURGERY. It is one of the few medical procedures not covered by any healthcare provider ( in other words, you have to pay for it ). It used to cost over $2,000 per eye. Now, the cost has DROPPED to half of that. WHY? COMPETITION.

2) TORT REFORM. LIMIT the amount of money injured people receive in a lawsuit. Not the near unlimited amount we have now. This REDUCES the cost of insurance of doctors and of course, it gets passed on to patients.

3) TAX BENEFITS to people who buy insurance privately ( WITH NO MANDATES ).

4) A TAX FREE health savings account at birth, whose principal sum would grow over the years and need not be expended by a particular date.

Funds accumulated in health care savings accounts would become part of the individual’s estate and could be passed on to heirs to pay for their medical expenses.

I am willing to bet that with this, a private competitive market in medical care would emerge to supplement or even replace the bloated bureaucratic health insurance programs of insurance companies and federal and state governments.


53 posted on 05/23/2014 12:19:32 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Getting rid of Obamacare in a big bang would be a blessing to this country. Best not to ‘evolve’ out of this one.

1) Agreed.
2) Agreed.
3) No way. That is hands on govt involvement, and thats how we got to where we are today. Taxation being used to reward or penalize. Taxation is for funding of legitimate govt functions. Period.
4)Partial agreement. - I believe that 401ks are a great idea, but they are now a low hanging fruit for a free spending govt that borderline hates you. Confiscation is probably coming, through a one-time tax.


54 posted on 05/23/2014 12:50:41 PM PDT by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: Jagdgewehr

Citizen’s Council for Health Freedom
http://www.cchfreedom.org/


55 posted on 05/24/2014 8:36:25 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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