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I.R.S. Bars Employers From Dumping Workers Into Health Exchanges [Obama acts illegally - again]
New York Times ^ | May 25, 2015 | Robert Pear

Posted on 05/25/2014 8:29:43 PM PDT by grundle

WASHINGTON — Many employers had thought they could shift health costs to the government by sending their employees to a health insurance exchange with a tax-free contribution of cash to help pay premiums, but the Obama administration has squelched the idea in a new ruling. Such arrangements do not satisfy the health care law, the administration said, and employers may be subject to a tax penalty of $100 a day — or $36,500 a year — for each employee who goes into the individual marketplace.

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There is nothing in Obamacare that gives Obama or the IRS the power to prohibit employers from dumping employees onto Obamacare exchanges, or for fining them $100 a day for doing so. Obama's actions here are illegal.
1 posted on 05/25/2014 8:29:43 PM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle

he wants revolt.


2 posted on 05/25/2014 8:31:33 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: grundle

What does Obama care about the law. He is king!


3 posted on 05/25/2014 8:34:31 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Secret Agent Man; 3D-JOY; abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; Albion Wilde; AliVeritas; alisasny; ...
he wants revolt.

Well, he is a revolting fellow.

PING!

4 posted on 05/25/2014 8:34:43 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Of COURSE bacon is good for you!!!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

This will pi## off large employers...will be interesting to watch this


5 posted on 05/25/2014 8:34:48 PM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods)
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To: goodnesswins

That’s the point. The more mobile employers will just seek friendlier climes and they won’t be back.


6 posted on 05/25/2014 8:36:16 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: goodnesswins

This was the whole reason for Obamacare. Uh oh.


7 posted on 05/25/2014 8:37:12 PM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: grundle

Are democrats just making it up as they go along? Have we come to that?


8 posted on 05/25/2014 8:38:28 PM PDT by GOPJ (Someone explain why {the MSM} uses the term liberal to describe totalitarian sociopaths? BruceinOz)
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To: grundle
If I'm a company, I sent a trite little two-word note to both the IRS, and the White House.

At some point you simply have to say, "ENOUGH."

9 posted on 05/25/2014 8:39:07 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: grundle; All

Do you suppose that House Speaker John Boehner is unaware the these illegal changes to an existing Federal came directly from the White House?

A direct line of evidence to the White House was all Boehner needed to form a House Special Committee on Benghazi, and so another r House Special Committee should be formed on Obamacare.


10 posted on 05/25/2014 8:39:20 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: grundle
Obama's actions here are illegal.

Each breath he takes is illegal, but he still does it, and he gets away with it. He will get away with this too. The Pubbies will never hold him accountable. He has pigment protection. I wish I could be more positive, but I can't.

11 posted on 05/25/2014 8:39:37 PM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: grundle

12 posted on 05/25/2014 8:41:28 PM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: grundle

We are no longer citizens. We are subjects.


13 posted on 05/25/2014 8:43:13 PM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2016; I pray we make it that long.)
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To: GOPJ

You have to keep reading this to know what’s in it.


14 posted on 05/25/2014 8:48:11 PM PDT by umgud
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To: RightGeek

Is it Racist to have a Black Dictator?


15 posted on 05/25/2014 8:49:58 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: grundle
Little boy king barry can get away with anything as long as the opposition is headed up by the likes of a boner and a cantor. America is finished as the country I grew up in.
16 posted on 05/25/2014 8:50:00 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: grundle

When employers provide coverage, their contributions, averaging more than $5,000 a year per employee, are not counted as taxable income to workers. But the Internal Revenue Service said employers could not meet their obligations under the health care law by simply reimbursing employees for some or all of their premium costs.

Christopher E. Condeluci, a former tax and benefits counsel to the Senate Finance Committee, said the ruling was significant because it made clear that “an employee cannot use tax-free contributions from an employer to purchase an insurance policy sold in the individual health insurance market, inside or outside an exchange.”

If an employer wants to help employees buy insurance on their own, Mr. Condeluci said, it can give them higher pay, in the form of taxable wages. But in such cases, he said, the employer and the employee would owe payroll taxes on those wages, and the change could be viewed by workers as reducing a valuable benefit.


17 posted on 05/25/2014 8:50:22 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Graewoulf
no..he'd have get out of the liquor bottle first.

18 posted on 05/25/2014 8:55:19 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Bathhouse/"Rustler" Reid? d8-)
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To: Secret Agent Man

In addition to this new ruling, those greedy businesses need to pay a minimum wage of $15 per hour and give women paid time off for their monthly cycle.


19 posted on 05/25/2014 8:55:26 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: grundle
heh he, heh heh heh suckers...

20 posted on 05/25/2014 8:58:18 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Rusty0604
Or employers can just fire their employees and not pay the fines. If someone like GE fired 20,000 people instead of paying the fine I am sure someone would notice.
21 posted on 05/25/2014 8:58:44 PM PDT by jimpick
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To: jimpick

You are being too rational, my friend.


22 posted on 05/25/2014 9:09:39 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: grundle
Can we say outsource...I knew you can


23 posted on 05/25/2014 9:13:16 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Forgive but don't forget)
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To: jimpick
Or employers can just fire their employees and not pay the fines.

A more realistic scenario is that the companies can simply move operations out of the country to countries where they don't have to pay as much in wages, pay no healthcare, etc.

This way, they keep production up - but in the US, it has the same effect as firing workers. So, they can stick it to Obama ...

24 posted on 05/25/2014 9:14:17 PM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: grundle

What? Employees are not allowed to enjoy the great Obamacare? This is so unfair. Democrats - take care of this.


25 posted on 05/25/2014 9:22:01 PM PDT by mom.mom
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To: grundle

cracking Rino Boehner moralizing us like a judge about “the law of the land”. Screw these people. This is a joke formula. there is no health care bill, just a president running on a rumor.


26 posted on 05/25/2014 9:58:24 PM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: grundle

>Obama’s actions here are illegal.<

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The fact that no one in Congress has tried to stop him only emboldens him for the next illegal act.

It can only get from bad to worse.


27 posted on 05/25/2014 10:03:09 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Lazamataz
If I'm a company, I sent a trite little two-word note to both the IRS, and the White House.

Mine note would be just two letters.

28 posted on 05/25/2014 10:04:01 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: grundle

Wyatt’s Torch.

It shines so beautifully in the night.


29 posted on 05/25/2014 10:10:03 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

From the Eagles “On the Border:” you’re in some trouble boy, we know where you’ve been.


30 posted on 05/25/2014 10:38:46 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: Mark17

All those who voted for him and still love him are my enemies. I refuse to have anything to do with any of them. And that includes a lot of kinfolk.


31 posted on 05/25/2014 10:58:33 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: VerySadAmerican
All those who voted for him and still love him are my enemies. I refuse to have anything to do with any of them. And that includes a lot of kinfolk.

Enemies is right. I do not have liberal friends. They are the enemy. I do not associate with them. That includes some relatives in California, that I think are totally off their rockers. I do not associate with them either.

32 posted on 05/25/2014 11:19:11 PM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: VerySadAmerican

“All those who voted for him and still love him are my enemies. I refuse to have anything to do with any of them. And that includes a lot of kinfolk”

We’re moving to get away from idiot liberals. I can’t even stand being around the brainless people any more. But this will get harder and harder as the dumbing down in the ‘education’ system takes over the entire younger generations.


33 posted on 05/25/2014 11:23:58 PM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: Mark17; yorkiemom

The liberals in my clan feel the same way about me as I do about them. That’s the only thing we agree on.

The reason it got to this point is I got tired of being insulted and disrespected in my own home. They can’t have a discussion without telling us how stupid we are and how stupid Sarah Palin is and how stupid George Bush is. Try to tell them you don’t want to discuss it and it does no good. I finally just cut them all off. And I don’t see it ever see a relationship with them. If, by some miracle, they were to see the light, it would take decades. I won’t live that long. And truthfully, I wouldn’t trust them if they told me they had realized the error of their ways. I just don’t trust a liberal.


34 posted on 05/25/2014 11:53:16 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: grundle
It really is Bush's fault.


35 posted on 05/26/2014 12:21:44 AM PDT by fso301 (uires that you believe)
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To: VerySadAmerican

Ditto with the liberals I have given the benefit of the doubt to in the past. They can’t control themselves to not discuss politics. They have no respect that we differ on substance, but think that if they try cramming it down my throat enough, I’ll cave. Same thing the MSM does.

As your screename says, it is sad because this bullying does work with the brainless set.

In our small mountain community, we had a bunch of liberals take over the water board. They had a plan to get a 40 year, half million dollar USDA loan to implement some fixes. Never mind that USDA requirements would cost an additional $300k! and the many community members who had ran projects in the past showing how to do it all cheaper. Nope, 3 school teachers and a deputy thought they were smarter than engineers and a CFO of a multimillion dollar company.

It was disappointing and Assad commentary on our society that many older folks who should have been smarter got caught up in the manipulative winning and dining and backed this fiasco.

End result - they spent every penny and got less than half of the fixes done. And the community won’t be able to get another loan for four decades.

I am so done with liberals and those that unthinkingly follow them.


36 posted on 05/26/2014 12:36:14 AM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: grundle

You forget the term, “ the secretary shall determine.”


37 posted on 05/26/2014 12:36:24 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: yorkiemom

Ok Assad should have been ‘a sad’.

And winning wining

Stupid tablet.


38 posted on 05/26/2014 12:39:01 AM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: grundle

Laws changed by whim. What is Congress for again?


39 posted on 05/26/2014 12:46:05 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: grundle

And how far back are they going to push enforcement of this new Diktat?


40 posted on 05/26/2014 1:20:43 AM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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To: GOPJ; GeronL
Have we come to that?

What is Congress for again?

We are told to keep voting, yet voting is of consequence only in republics.

Since congress has less to do everyday with the regulations we live under, voting will soon be seen as an unnecessary courtesy.

As elections become more raucous and disruptive, the President's media will ask, "why have elections at all?" As long as provision is made for members of congress to continue in their places of honor and profit, most of them won't give a damn.

41 posted on 05/26/2014 2:03:20 AM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th. Article V.)
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To: grundle

There is no one who is standing by the constitution and bring him to task while this fraud makes his own rules and gets away with it, feckless spineless fools where is our Patrick Henry?
http://www.history.org/almanack/people/bios/biohen.cfm
send this to your senator


42 posted on 05/26/2014 3:53:08 AM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: GOPJ

yes


43 posted on 05/26/2014 4:26:44 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Secret Agent Man

“he wants revolt.”

It’s not Obama. He doesn’t even know what day it is.


44 posted on 05/26/2014 4:32:44 AM PDT by dljordan (WhoVoltaire: "To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.")
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To: VerySadAmerican

It has taken decades, but Americans are starting to realize the Democrats are their enemy. It took massive (unreported) unemployment and ObamaCare to do it, but it is happening (hopefully not too late).


45 posted on 05/26/2014 4:51:14 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Mark17

“I do not have liberal friends. They are the enemy. I do not associate with them. That includes some relatives in California, that I think are totally off their rockers. I do not associate with them either.”

I have also disengaged completely from them; there is no benefit to knowing a liberal. Younger guys might appreciate that lib females are sluts, but I’m way past that; there is nothing I could gain through association with a liberal.


46 posted on 05/26/2014 4:53:29 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Re your Barackzebub picture: It’s a great graphic. But, I think he looks a little like actor Forrest Whitaker.


47 posted on 05/26/2014 5:55:34 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: VerySadAmerican; Mark17

It’s unfortunate that you have these kinds of relatives to deal with. I have many relatives but I communicate with only my sister, her husband and their daughters and grandson, all of whom are conservatives. The rest are dead to me and have been for many years.


48 posted on 05/26/2014 6:08:49 AM PDT by OldPossum ("It's" is the contraction of "it" and "is"; think about ITS implications.)
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To: kabar
If an employer wants to help employees buy insurance on their own, Mr. Condeluci said, it can give them higher pay, in the form of taxable wages. But in such cases, he said, the employer and the employee would owe payroll taxes on those wages, and the change could be viewed by workers as reducing a valuable benefit.

Thanks for lifting this paragraph. The title of the article is misleading. Employers CAN and WILL legally dump employees into the exchanges. It will still be cheaper for employers to pay the penalties and taxes associated with that, than it will be to provide Obamacare (with all its requirements) to their employees.

The title makes it seem as if large employers MUST keep providing company based health insurance to their employees, and that is not the case.

49 posted on 05/26/2014 6:09:57 AM PDT by randita
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To: jimpick

Dear Reader will just make it a law you can’t fire anyone...

it’s coming..


50 posted on 05/26/2014 6:31:46 AM PDT by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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