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Pope, Netanyahu spar over Jesus' native language
Reuters ^ | 26 May 2014 | Reuters

Posted on 05/26/2014 10:50:43 AM PDT by VitacoreVision

Pope Francis and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu traded words on Monday over the language spoken by Jesus two millennia ago. "Jesus was here, in this land. He spoke Hebrew," Netanyahu told Francis, at a public meeting in Jerusalem in which the Israeli leader cited a strong connection between Judaism and Christianity. "Aramaic," the pope interjected. "He spoke Aramaic, but he knew Hebrew," Netanyahu shot back. Like many things in the Middle East, where the pope is on the last leg of a three-day visit, modern-day discourse about Jesus is complicated and often political. A Jew, Jesus was born in Bethlehem in the Roman-ruled region of Judea, now the Israeli-occupied West Bank. He grew up in Nazareth and ministered in Galilee, both in northern Israel, and died in Jerusalem, a city revered by Jews, Christians and Muslims, and to which Israelis and Palestinians lay claim. Palestinians sometimes describe Jesus as a Palestinian. Israelis object to that. Israeli linguistics professor Ghil'ad Zuckermann told Reuters that both Netanyahu, son of a distinguished Jewish historian, and the pope, the spiritual leader of the world's 1.2 billion Catholics, had a point. "Jesus was a native Aramaic speaker," he said about the largely defunct Semitic language closely related to Hebrew. "But he would have also known Hebrew because there were extant religious writings in Hebrew." Zuckermann said that during Jesus' time, Hebrew was spoken by the lower classes - "the kind of people he ministered to".

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Israel
KEYWORDS: aramaic; churchhistory; dopesareamongus; hebrew; israel; jesus; jesusspokeebonics; jesusspokeesperanto; jesusspokemexican; language; letsaskjoelosteen; liberationtheology; netanyahu; pope; popefrancis; replacementtheology; romancatholicism; sectarianturmoil
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To: VitacoreVision

On bilingualism in Texas public schools, Texas Governor Miriam Amanda “Ma” Ferguson:
“If the King’s English was good enough for Jesus Christ, it’s good enough for the children of Texas!”

So there it is. He spoke Texan.


21 posted on 05/26/2014 11:12:13 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: VitacoreVision

The pope is a fool. He thought he was correcting Netanyahu, and it was a natural reflex.


22 posted on 05/26/2014 11:14:17 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant
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To: marron
"So the pope was right and Netanyahu was also right."

No, the pope was wrong. The pope thought he was correcting Netanyahu. The pope did not say that Jesus also spoke Aramaic. The pope appeared to be unaware that Jesus spoke Hebrew.

23 posted on 05/26/2014 11:17:33 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant
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To: agrarianlady
Scripture reference?

The promise of the land, the Abrahamic Covenant, is affirmed as an everlasting covenant throughout the Bible (Genesis 17:7-8; Psalm 105:9-12), and the Apostle Paul confirmed that it could never be annulled (Galatians 3:17). There is plenty more to read about God's unbreakable promise to the people of Israel, who will one day come to know Messiah Yeshua. The Kingdom of God will have Him for its king and Jerusalem for its capital.

24 posted on 05/26/2014 11:18:07 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: VitacoreVision
YHvH's WORD is written in Hebrew.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

25 posted on 05/26/2014 11:20:24 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: tumblindice
Jesus cowboy photo: Real Men Love Jesus realmenlovejesus.jpg Roy Roger's "Rider's Rules" 1. Be neat and clean. 2. Be courteous and polite. 3. Always obey your parents. 4. Protect the weak and help them. 5. Be brave but never take chances. 6. Study hard and learn all you can. 7. Be kind to animals and care for them. 8. Eat all your food and never waste any. 9. Love God and go to Sunday School regularly. 10. Always respect our flag and our country.
26 posted on 05/26/2014 11:22:59 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: UnwashedPeasant
What a screwy thing for people to get worked up over. The everyday language of the people in the time and place of the Master was Aramaic. However, the story of how Jesus read from the Book of Isaiah (Luke 4:16-21) shows he was also conversant in Hebrew.

And?

27 posted on 05/26/2014 11:25:41 AM PDT by Robwin
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To: VitacoreVision

It might be relevant that the only place in the middle east where modern Aramaic speakers live in peace and relative safety is in Israel.


28 posted on 05/26/2014 11:27:31 AM PDT by marron
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To: marron

Yes, there are pockets of Aramaic speakers in northern Iraq, northern Syria, and eastern Turkey . . . . but no thanks. You’re right about Israel. It’s the one sliver of sanity in a crazy region.


29 posted on 05/26/2014 11:34:20 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: UnwashedPeasant

Netanyahu needed correcting, because he chose to politicize language. He wants to promote Hebrew, which is both his right and his job — but he picked the wrong occasion and fudged history.


30 posted on 05/26/2014 11:34:44 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Genoa

When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons. Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.


31 posted on 05/26/2014 11:38:39 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: NYer

Aramaic-related ping.


32 posted on 05/26/2014 11:40:28 AM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: Romulus
what will he do unto those husbandmen?

Those who reject God will be rejected by God. In this parable, which is a story intended to make a spiritual point, Jesus addressed himself to false religious leaders. This parable does not negate God's covenant with the Israelite people. In the last days, Israel will be saved. Check out Romans 11.

33 posted on 05/26/2014 11:44:16 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: Tupelo
Well, they are both wrong. He spoke 15th Century English. Just like my KJV Bible. hehe If you had not posted this I would have.
34 posted on 05/26/2014 11:47:22 AM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertatrian)
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To: Genoa

Here’s Luke’s version. Jesus is not addressing generic “false religious leaders”. The parable is not applicable to Muslims or Hindus.

But when the husbandmen saw him, they reasoned among themselves, saying, This is the heir: come, let us kill him, that the inheritance may be ours. So they cast him out of the vineyard, and killed him. What therefore shall the lord of the vineyard do unto them? He shall come and destroy these husbandmen, and shall give the vineyard to others.


35 posted on 05/26/2014 11:49:43 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Romulus

God certainly did give the vineyard to others, when the Jews were driven out of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 and again in A.D. 135. It’s a matter of history. But the regathering of Israel is now appearing before our very eyes. Sooner or later, God’s everlasting covenant will be carried out to the letter and Christ will reign on earth.


36 posted on 05/26/2014 11:53:50 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: Genoa

God’s covenant with the Israelite people is fulfilled in Jesus. There’s no other savior upon whom they can call.

Esau was reconciled to Jacob, but only by way of accepting the gifts Jacob offered.


37 posted on 05/26/2014 11:56:26 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Genoa

Did the army of Titus deliver to the Lord the vineyard’s fruits in their seasons? Is that what you believe?


38 posted on 05/26/2014 11:58:49 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Romulus

If you want to spiritualize the Bible’s prophecies about the land of Israel and say they were fulfilled in Jesus, you are certainly not the first to do so. I will take them at face value. You’re right that there is no other savior. Did you read Romans 11? Israel will acknowledge Messiah Yeshua.


39 posted on 05/26/2014 11:59:13 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: Genoa

Think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.


40 posted on 05/26/2014 12:01:44 PM PDT by Romulus
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