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Colleges Rattled as Obama Seeks Rating System
New York Times ^ | 05/26/2014 | MICHAEL D. SHEAR

Posted on 05/26/2014 11:07:26 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

WASHINGTON — The college presidents were appalled. Not only had President Obama called for a government rating system for their schools, but now one of his top education officials was actually suggesting it would be as easy as evaluating a kitchen appliance.

“It’s like rating a blender,” Jamienne Studley, a deputy under secretary at the Education Department, said to the college presidents after a meeting in the department’s Washington headquarters in November, according to several who were present. “This is not so hard to get your mind around.”

The rating system is in fact a radical new effort by the federal government to hold America’s 7,000 colleges and universities accountable by injecting the executive branch into the business of helping prospective students weigh collegiate pros and cons. For years that task has been dominated by private companies like Barron’s and U.S. News & World Report.

Mr. Obama and his aides say colleges and universities that receive a total of $150 billion each year in federal loans and grants must prove they are worth it. The problem is acute, they insist: At too many schools, tuition is going up, graduation rates are going down, and students are leaving with enormous debt and little hope of high-paying jobs.

The idea that the government would try to rate the schools has rattled the entire higher education system, from elite private institutions to large state universities to community colleges.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: college; obama; ratingsystem

1 posted on 05/26/2014 11:07:26 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The more you pay Obama the higher your Rating ?


2 posted on 05/26/2014 11:12:06 AM PDT by molson209 (Blank)
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To: SeekAndFind

Low ratings guaranteed unless staff and student body are almost all muslim and/or black.


3 posted on 05/26/2014 11:15:16 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The “fourth estate”has morphed into a 5th column)
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To: Iron Munro

or illegal “dream” aliens.


4 posted on 05/26/2014 11:18:48 AM PDT by fivecatsandadog (WORST.... PRESIDENT......EVER = OBAMA)
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To: SeekAndFind
The idea that the government would try to rate the schools has rattled the entire higher education system

...interesting and a bit funny. These commies "rate" capitalism as the biggest evil on the planet but are shocked their money Master in DC wants to rate their efforts?

5 posted on 05/26/2014 11:20:08 AM PDT by gr8eman (There's no "R" in Warshington!)
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To: SeekAndFind

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>“It’s like rating a blender,” Jamienne Studley, a deputy under secretary at the Education Department, said to the college president<<<<<<<<<<<<

So we have Studley Do Right rating the schools like blenders, not that I’m a defender of most college presidents.


6 posted on 05/26/2014 11:20:38 AM PDT by Mjaye
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To: molson209
Under the Obama system Hillsdale will get the dreaded F----.
7 posted on 05/26/2014 11:21:16 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Republican amnesty supporters don't care whether their own homes are called mansions or haciendas.)
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To: SeekAndFind

colleges used to be exclusively for the intellectual and financial elite. Now it is for the mediocre. Any rating system that has meaning should be relative to what colleges used to be.

I took some classes in a “popular” city college. They had students who could not do fourth grade math. The instructors were not allowed to flunk the wretched students, so they would give the F students a C, and give the D students a B. Their theory was that these horrible students would never matriculate or get a job, and probably would not even show up the next semester, so what harm could it do?

That college has a great football program...


8 posted on 05/26/2014 11:21:30 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: SeekAndFind

has rattled the entire higher education system,


The goal of EVERY higher educational system is DIVERSITY, The govt goal is diversity, why are they rattled? Everyone should be of like mind.


9 posted on 05/26/2014 11:21:56 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: SeekAndFind

Just refuse to participate. It will be a rigged system anyways. Screw Obama and his diktats. Time to ignore the gay muslim fool.


10 posted on 05/26/2014 11:23:50 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: SeekAndFind

What if people aren’t willing to pay big bucks for high ratings in diversity and ethnicity?


11 posted on 05/26/2014 11:24:15 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin
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To: Mjaye
“It’s like rating a blender,” Jamienne Studley, a deputy under secretary at the Education Department

This is your brain:

This is your brain after four years at a leftist college:


12 posted on 05/26/2014 11:24:50 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Republican amnesty supporters don't care whether their own homes are called mansions or haciendas.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Any entity that takes government funding is subject to the whims of the Government.

at a recent college financing talk, a question was answered regarding student loans.

The Department of Education is now in charge of granting student loans.

Wha!?

Those who set tuition rates, chose and keep instructors and who choose admissions are in charge of lending money.

Appaled?

No one in the room seemed to right then and there go along with their childrens’ wishes to not go to school, nor to listen to their instincts and say no to sending their kids to get brainwashed by the government and then pay them five times as much as they paid their own college and local bank back in the day.

That was what was appalling.

That these colleges will eventually get the same treatment by the government is forseeable, and logical. And if they are appalled, that only verifies the unreasonable and unintelligent but ideological nature of these institutions.

They’ll continue to adore Obama, like abductees in a prison, but to be appalled is just stupid.

Like people who expect loyalty and safe keeping from a mobster they choose to work with.


13 posted on 05/26/2014 11:24:59 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Mjaye

Rating Blenders

http://www.intellireview.com/Top-Blenders/?aid=45&top=11&track=Blenders&kw=rating%252520a%252520blender&ad=1&campaign=electronicsBsearch&src=yahoo&expandable=0


14 posted on 05/26/2014 11:27:49 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: SeekAndFind

I propose a quintile rating system. A for the best quintile, B for the second, C, D, F quintile for the worst (skip the letter E)

Only three ratings would be needed:
1) cost of tution for a 4 year degree
2) percentage of graduates after 4 years
3) average starting salary for graduates

An AAA college would have the lowest cost, highest graduation and highest starting salary.

An FFF college would have the highest cost, lowest graduation rate and lowest starting salary.


15 posted on 05/26/2014 11:28:06 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: SeekAndFind

“Dean, I don’t see any ‘studies’ courses on your curriculum. I also don’t find any Marxist Theory courses, either.”
“Mr. Obama, we are a science, technology, and engineering school. Our students don’t come here for that crap.”
“Sorry, Dean. I have to rate your school ‘F’.”


16 posted on 05/26/2014 11:28:14 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: molson209

In PRINCIPLE, this is a great idea. OK, how about:

Debt incurred-—>degree conferred-—>% of people who graduate from school with that degree..% of people who work in that field from this school with that degree....avg/median # of years to pay it back?

What it will mutate into by the time Dems get done with it, is percentage of lesbian trans-sexual Islamic professors divided by cranky old middle-aged white professors, times the # of Womyns’ Black Studies classes.


17 posted on 05/26/2014 11:31:24 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: SeekAndFind
There is a certain ridiculousness to such a proposal which defies reason and borders on insanity.

Let's get this straight:

- a federal government, its multitudinous heads, with their bureaucracies, and political ideologues in academia, funded by "progressive" billionaires and their minions, who have so destroyed the elementary, middle, and high school educational experience that freshmen college students must receive remedial English before they can enter college curriculum studies--this motley crew is going to "rate" America's colleges?
Question: if the federal government cannot administer a Veterans' health care program, why would anyone believe it is capable of making judgment on the Administrations of America's colleges and universities?
18 posted on 05/26/2014 11:32:20 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: SeekAndFind

Probably to get an “A” rating at least one-fourth of the student body must be LGBT, one-fourth Muslim, one-fourth black and the rest a mixture of whites and other minorities. 51% of the student body must vote liberal and 95% of the faculty must be liberal.


19 posted on 05/26/2014 11:33:33 AM PDT by ImNotLying (The Right To Bear Arms: Making good people helpless won't make bad people harmless!)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is part of an ongoing effort to wipe out trade schools.

Lefty institutions handing out toilet paper degrees in Social Justice and Women’s Studies will have no problems.


20 posted on 05/26/2014 11:37:47 AM PDT by Fido969 (What's sad is most)
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To: SeekAndFind

Can we rate presidential Administrations? It’d be easier than rating an automobile. This Administration is slightly behind a 70s Pinto.


21 posted on 05/26/2014 11:40:17 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: SeekAndFind

Hey, why not. Obama can do for higher education what he has done for health care. What the system needs is clearly standardization and centralized control.


22 posted on 05/26/2014 11:42:23 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: SeekAndFind

“Mr. Obama and his aides say colleges and universities that receive a total of $150 billion each year in federal loans and grants must prove they are worth it.”

The feds are nice enough to return the money we give them, but it comes with a few strings—the old `carrot and stick’: foreign lawbreakers, `diversity,’ AA, ‘phaggotry’ and other Hussein requirements.
OK, we’ll pass on the federal funding then, and stop paying-in ...
What?


23 posted on 05/26/2014 11:46:58 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: SeekAndFind

So the more liberal/communist propaganda is taught in the school, the higher the rating...OK...I get it.


24 posted on 05/26/2014 11:52:59 AM PDT by Conservative4Ever (waiting for my Magic 8 ball to give me an answer)
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To: SeekAndFind

Serves em’ right. Leftists who think they are somehow immune to the heavy foot of big government will get squashed right along with everyone else. No institution can escape this bureaucratic oligarchy. Universities will have to pay their kickbacks, or be seized by their overlords.
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25 posted on 05/26/2014 11:56:51 AM PDT by pallis
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To: SeekAndFind
“It’s like rating a blender,” Jamienne Studley, a deputy under secretary at the Education Department, said

This is Obama's staff. Faculty lounge misfits and congenital morons abound.

26 posted on 05/26/2014 12:08:22 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Never trust a woman? called Studley.


27 posted on 05/26/2014 12:09:21 PM PDT by certrtwngnut (y)
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To: taxcontrol

(1) and (3) aren’t bad measuring sticks. (2) is much less so. Taking more than four years to graduate might be worthwhile for a number of reasons including the student’s individual financial situation or the college program which actually expects the student to take a semester or more off to get exposed to the real world.


28 posted on 05/26/2014 12:16:39 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Abolish the Education Dept. - it’s worse than useless.


29 posted on 05/26/2014 12:17:11 PM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hey academic pinheads, it’s government’s right and duty to judge and punish me, my company, possessions, wealth, political affiliation, religious beliefs and health care...but not y’all?


30 posted on 05/26/2014 12:32:06 PM PDT by mom.mom
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To: SeekAndFind

Government ratings aren’t what is rattling the schools - it is the threat of the inability to get federally backed student loans if they don’t toe the fed’s line.


31 posted on 05/26/2014 12:36:56 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: tbw2
I guess creeping totalitarianism is OK until it creeps into your own back yard...
32 posted on 05/26/2014 12:51:32 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: Mjaye
It’s like rating a blender

I can see that.

You just need to find out which school makes the best margaritas.

33 posted on 05/26/2014 1:06:49 PM PDT by seowulf (Cogito cogito, ergo cogito sum. Cogito.---Ambrose Bierce)
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To: SeekAndFind

Heh heh heh.

Even the academes are so stupid—they thought the snake would NEVER bite THEM...”We’re his FRIEND,” they thought...”We have indoctrinated an entire two generations or more in the socialist mindset, doing our best to chip away any parental influence or Christian upbringing...we have taught kids that morality is FLEXIBLE...even NON-EXISTENT, and that government is the answer to all problems. Why would he turn on US?”


34 posted on 05/26/2014 1:11:32 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SeekAndFind

They should rate the degrees. Women’s history degree vs Engineering. Urban study degree vs Biology. They should tell the students as an example, that the average student with a degree in Art History after graduating gets a job making X amount of dollars. The student can then make a choice. Is it worth it for me to get this degree, or should I choose another field.


35 posted on 05/26/2014 1:13:01 PM PDT by political1 (Love your neighbors)
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To: tbw2
“Government ratings aren’t what is rattling the schools - it is the threat of the inability to get federally backed student loans if they don’t toe the fed’s line.”

I'm sure you're correct, but it's sadly ironic that so many university faculty are big fans of intrusive government oversight, for others...

36 posted on 05/26/2014 1:37:24 PM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Lazamataz

They can’t refuse . . . many of them could not survive without the federal government transferring taxpayers’ hard earned money to their ivory towers.


37 posted on 05/26/2014 2:46:16 PM PDT by Susquehanna Patriot (U Think Leftist/Liberals Still Believe That Dissent = Highest Form of Patriotism?)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

“...it’s sadly ironic that so many university faculty are big fans of intrusive government oversight, for others...”

Since universities are generally in line with the federal government already, it begs the question - what is the real reason the (B)administration is putting this out there? I have my hunches.

But I can’t stop laughing - Barry O won’t disclose his college transcripts but wants colleges to be accountable through a ratings system.


38 posted on 05/26/2014 3:00:48 PM PDT by Susquehanna Patriot (U Think Leftist/Liberals Still Believe That Dissent = Highest Form of Patriotism?)
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To: taxcontrol
Your solution would make sense, therefore it won't be used...*sigh*

It will be:

1) Socialist Doctrine Acclimation

2) Gender/Diversity Friendliness

3) Enviromental/Anthropogenic Global Warming Sensitivity

39 posted on 05/26/2014 3:41:20 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: SeekAndFind; flaglady47; mickie; pax_et_bonum; Maine Mariner; ThomasMore; seekthetruth; ...
THE DEAN'S DILEMMA

"But...but...but...there must be no winners and losers in an egalitarian society. No school should be rated higher than another. A rating system should not even be considered. The psychological damage to students in a lower-rated school would be incalculable. Ratings are elitist.

If a little league team is winning 15-0 after 5 innings, the game must be called. Same with colleges and universities. One school must not score higher academically than others. All must be equal in "ratings"...or don't rate at all. So just forget this nonsense.

We must not judge others, anyhow.

All professors must earn equal pay. Similarily, class grades for students must be abolished so no psyches are permanently damaged.

Dodgeball should not be permitted in campus gyms. Getting nailed in dodgeball is even worse than an F in Womyn's Studies or getting a possible low scholastic rating from the federal government. We don't need more losers in dodgeball or in anything. Either everyone is a loser or no one is.

College presidents, administrators, educators and students of the nation, arise! No capitalistic "rating" competition within or between institutes of higher learning! No "seeding" system like we are hick professional tennis players!

NO MORE GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE IN ACADEMIA AND INSIDE OUR IVIED WALLS....oh, wait a minute, oh my...oh, oh.......what am I saying......oh, oh......what to do, what to do.....the grants, the grants.....oh, oh...."

Leni

40 posted on 05/26/2014 9:07:57 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: PeterPrinciple

LOL, can’t wait to see how the more conservative institutions are rated.


41 posted on 05/26/2014 11:19:04 PM PDT by Mjaye
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To: seowulf

You just need to find out which school makes the best margaritas. <<<<<<<<<<<<<

Excellent, or maybe, to save money, they could use a “Jukebox Jury” system (sorry to all those too young to recall the 50’s show) where the schools could simply be declared a “Hit” or a “Miss”. Oh, wait, saving money would never be a factor in a gov’t study.


42 posted on 05/26/2014 11:30:12 PM PDT by Mjaye
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