Killer's family tried to intervene before rampage [Liberal spin begins]

YAHOO ^ | 26 MAY 2014 | AP

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

GOLETA, Calif. (AP) — It was Friday night when Elliot Rodger's mother got a call from her son's therapist that he had emailed a ranting manifesto about going on a deadly rampage.

The mother went to her son's YouTube channel and found the video in which he threatens to kill people. She alerted authorities and set off frantically with her ex-husband to Santa Barbara.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

The gun control angle has backfired miserably on the Left, as half the deceased were stabbed and others were injured by the killer's car. We know now the father is a movie director for one of the most dystopian movie franchises ever made, and had recently remarried a 22-year woman just months older than his son. The killer was clearly disturbed and had no proper parental interaction or upbringing. Hence, the Left now trying to make it seem like his biological mother tried to help.

[miserare]

The press should NAME that useless psychiatrist, who had been treating the young man for quite some time.

That clueless shrink should lose his license FOREVER.

[molson209]

son’s therapist received the ranting manifesto and went D’oh who can I Blame

[billorites]

"That clueless shrink should lose his license FOREVER."

Why would you wish such a thing?

[stockpirate]

Sometimes a person is beyond help of anyone. this young man no doubt had an extreme disorder, the people to look at are the parents.

[9YearLurker]

I’m pretty sure he mentioned both therapists he was taken to as an adult: one he only went to once and refused medication from, the other I believe he continued to see, along with supervised, hired therapist-friends.

Both were shrinks who appear as experts on tv. (It’s in his manifesto.)

But I’d have thought the shrink would have been obligated to report him to the authorities, and any delay there would have been problematic.

Also, I guess they must have been in family therapy, or else going to the mother would have been an invasion of the client’s privacy as well, no?

[Kit cat]

The psychiatrist NOTIFIED authorities!!!

[tumblindice]

Countless sessions in which he screamed about `wasting people' and stupid death threat video ....... That's the ticket, blame youtube!

[House Atreides]

“Sometimes a person is beyond help of anyone. this young man no doubt had an extreme disorder, the people to look at are the parents.”
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I agree. There are times when a person is simply nothing more than a “bad seed” product. Such bad seeds can even come out of the blue to decent families and there is little they can do.

Is this the situation with THIS killer? I don’t know, but that’s always a possibility. Some folks are just plain evil.

[billorites]

Mental health professionals are cut a great deal of slack when they consider someone to be a danger to self and/or others. The obligation to preserve confidentiality, which is normally something that only the client can waive, is trumped by the explicit duty to warn which is a legal obligation in all states.

[Billthedrill]

As usual the media are telling only the parts of the story that fit the agenda. His parents had sent the boy to one psychiatrist, one psychologist, and at least two counselors, as well as calling the police for a "welfare check". They had known for years that he was seriously disturbed. He got past all those people and tipped his hand with the Youtube vids, which he removed when he realized that they drew too much attention.

This should have been a case of involuntary commitment a very long time ago. He had been supported by handouts from his parents, especially his birth mother, in conditions in which it sometimes wasn't all that easy for her to do. The kid had plenty of money, apartments paid for, a BMW, laptops whenever he whined enough, and the wherewithal to drive to Arizona for lottery tickets and purchase three handguns. With no supervision for any of that.

His friends, such as he had, slowly dropped away as he became more and more overt with his obsessions. He got drunk, started a fight, and ended up with a broken leg. He threw drinks on couples for the crime of being happy together. This kid was way, way out there and it wasn't hard to see. But he was smooth and articulate. That isn't the same as sane.

It may be that involuntary commitment laws would have saved a half dozen lives. I am aware they can be abused. But they, and parents determined to use them, could have prevented this.

[UCANSEE2]

That's the ticket, blame youtube!

It worked for Hillary.

[Don Corleone]

Before this is over San Fran Nan will be blaming Bush!

[jsanders2001]

I still think the Feds are behind a lot of these gun incidents and that hi-tech gadgetry whose existence is currently unknown to the public. The number seems to have gone (or the attention) up considerably during this anti- 2nd amendment president’s reign. In some of the cases the shooters claimed that they heard voices in their head before going “off the deep end” and shooting the place up:

http://www.jeffpolachek.com/mind-control/mc-research-docs/199-government-technology-to-read-your-thoughts-and-implant-new-ones

So the next time you see that plumbing van sitting up on top of the hill during a shoot’em up you’ll look at it differently...: )

[dowcaet]

I went to CNN yesterday and read the comments from one of their articles about the shooting. I would say 90% of the responses were blaming the gunman and not the lack of gun control laws or the NRA. I know that’s anecdotal evidence but I think most Americans aren’t buying the leftist spin on all this. Shame on them for trying to exploit this tragedy. Hell, they would have done it regardless.

[Billthedrill]

The press should NAME that useless psychiatrist...

The boy did. He said the psychiatrist's name is Charles Sophy. The psychologist's name is Randy Gold. Apparently they did notify authorities, although it isn't clear just what that consisted of. You can bet their attorneys have them gagged at the moment.

[boycott]

Yep. His father wants to blame politicians and the NRA.

His father was a lot closer to the situation than politicians and the NRA so I put a far greater responsibility on him. He failed as a parent.

The videos prove the father failed at teaching good values and morals to his son.

[9YearLurker]

I thought that was one of the victims’ father trying to score those political points.

[Wally_Kalbacken]

The psychiatrist has a duty, under CA law, to report to authorities once a patient makes a specific threat to him/herself or others. See Vladimir Tarasoff, et al., Plaintiffs-Petitioners v. Regents of the University of California, et al., Defendants-Respondents. (I link to the Wikipedia entry, because it does a fair job of covering the high level facts.)

The parents may have indeed undertaken a frantic effort in the hours before the rampage. But their responsibility goes back much further. Families in which this kind of mental illness is present typically engage in long periods of denial during which nothing effective gets done. That's when others get hurt.

I started to form a picture of the family environment when I saw the 22 year old student had a $65K BMW. There was, I'm certain, active disassociation from his problems, in part by sending him a check. To the extent that the family provided him a healthy allowance, they should be worried about the extension of responsibility (a la the Laurie Dann case.) I'm not saying there is clear responsibility, just that you can bet someone among the victims families is going to sue. And if his disclosures to the therapist were specific as to likely individual targets, the therapist should expect to be sued as well.

[boycott]

I thought that was one of the victims’ father trying to score those political points.

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I had read where the father blamed politicians and the NRA. I don’t know how accurate that is.

The only thing I am certain of is that the son was a sorry pos.