Posted on 05/26/2014 11:59:58 PM PDT by Wuli
During a dinner table discussion of the incident in Isla Vista California, an uber Liberal friend sought to blame the whole thing on..........................Ronald Reagan.
He was referring to state policies and funding for mental health issues, including the moves to de-institutionalize people with severe mental issues, changing to more outpatient care and mental health care outpatient monitoring.
I asked that in as much as those sort of changes were a nationwide change in policies by states nationwide, and in many cases under some very Liberal administrations, and given how many governors and state legislative sessions California has had since Reagan left the governorship, how is it that something that happens nearly forty years after he left the governorship is Reagan's fault?
To accept that it is Reagan's fault is to position him as a dictator that was able to act on his own without the approval of the state legislature and he was such an all time dictator that even since his death he has prevented California governors and legislators from changing course on such policies - FOR ALMOST FORTY YEARS!!!
I refused to accept his blaming of Reagan. I asked who has tied the hands of the California legislature for four decades, and said his blaming Reagan was simply ignorance.
But what could I expect, he is a Liberal after all.
There is a provision in ca law that allows anyone to be committed if they might be a danger to themselves or others, for a 72 hour eval. His parents never did it. So he was legally allowed to buy guns. I know it’s not the guns, and he could have bought them illegally, but if anyone needed a 72 hr check, it was him.
John F. Kennedy.
JFK emptied the mental institutions.
“The last piece of legislation President John F. Kennedy signed turns 50 this month: the Community Mental Health Act, which helped transform the way people with mental illness are treated and cared for in the United States.
Signed on Oct. 31, 1963, weeks before Kennedy was assassinated, the legislation aimed to build mental health centers accessible to all Americans so that those with mental illnesses could be treated while working and living at home, rather than being kept in neglectful and often abusive state institutions, sometimes for years on end.”
(snip)
“Recent deadly mass shootings, including at the Washington Navy Yard and a Colorado movie theater, have been perpetrated by men who were apparently not being adequately treated for serious mental illnesses. Those tragedies have focused public attention on the mental health system and made clear that Kennedy’s vision was never fully realized.”
(snip)
In 1963, the average stay in a state institution for someone with schizophrenia was 11 years.
(snip)
Meanwhile, about 90 percent of beds have been cut at state hospitals—— that has left nowhere for the sickest people to turn, so they end up homeless, abusing substances or in prison. The three largest mental health providers in the nation today are jails: Cook County in Illinois, Los Angeles County and Rikers Island in New York.”
They tried...that’s why they sent the cops to his apartment a month ago. But, as is USUALLY the case, these type of people can turn on the charm and appear perfectly “normal.”
It is actually rather difficult to get someone picked up for a 72 hour hold. I had a family member who was so delusional that she was hearing “voices” and generally living entirely in an alternate reality. The cops finally took her in after she was violent towards another family member. Even then, it ended up before a judge the next day IIRC.
And then, because (as I said above) these people can appear perfectly lucid when they “have” to be...the Psychiatrist actually concluded that this person was perfectly fine and blamed the family for trying to “micromanage” her life.
Fortunately, she later received a correct diagnosis and medication; but in many cases that does not happen.
Common misperception.
1st. The legislature crafts law then approves the final content to be passed to the governor, whose signature completes the process, enacting the law.
The issue of closing mental institutes predates Reagan’s Governorship.
In fact, the laws authorizing their closure were enacted under the previous administrations and legislator.
They were acting on public sentiment deploring the conditions of the institutions and it was thought the mentally would be better served by private practitioner, who also lobbied for “the business” to take over and put as many of the mentally ill back into society as productive citizens as practical and possible.
The result hoped for was a more humane process and restoring dignity, while helping them also become self sufficient productive citizens.
Reagan did close most of the “Empty Facilities” or former institutions.
That was what the law called for and was his obligation.
Similarly Clinton was bound by previous law to balance the budget as the Balanced Budget Amendment called for.
So yes, Reagan is responsible for closing most of the facilities, which were already empty, as per the law.
Even the best lies “must” contain an element of truth, by removing content, so a new context can be pursued.
His parents called the cops on him. They visited and concluded he wasn't a problem.
From his Manifesto, page 134:
After only a week passed since I uploaded those videos on Youtube, I heard a knock on my apartment door. I opened it to see about seven police officers asking for me. As soon as I saw those cops, the biggest fear I had ever felt in my life overcame me. I had the striking and devastating fear that someone had somehow discovered what I was planning to do, and reported me for it. If that was the case, the police would have searched my room, found all of my guns and weapons, along with my writings about what I plan to do with them. I would have been thrown in jail, denied of the chance to exact revenge on my enemies. I can’t imagine a hell darker than that. Thankfully, that wasn’t the case, but it was so close.
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The police interrogated me outside for a few minutes, asking me if I had suicidal thoughts. I tactfully told them that it was all a misunderstanding, and they finally left. If they had demanded to search my room… That would have ended everything. For a few horrible seconds I thought it was all over. When they left, the biggest wave of relief swept over me. It was so scary.
Next time just remind them that it isn’t the taxpayers burden too I up every kook. There was nothing stopping this guy from getting treatment.
I doubt that anybody could have envisioned him going on a shooting rampage. If we all acted, when somebody momentarily loses their shiat, as if they should be locked up, we’d all be locked up at some point in our existence, probably most would be locked up more than a few times.
ACLU VS Gov Brown: Brown was directed to clean out all those who could visit local county clinics for treatment. Regan was elected and had to comply.
Tell your friend that this was a wealthy family and could afford any care they wanted. Access to mental care had nothing to do with what happened and that should be obvious to even the hyper partisan.
Well, if his Opus could have been discovered perhaps a different outcome would have resulted.
I think his lunacy and evil would eventualy prevailed, overtaking any sense of morality we might hope had been installed in him by God, our creator.
He was consumed with a sense of being bound by a spirit that made him a loser, a putz and a eunich of sorts.
As time went on and his spirit proved time and again he was life’s biggest, pathetic joke and a demonstrable loser, who could never hope to escape his draught with women, he would conclude the only way to escape the fallow desert with no fulfilment would be a final pursuit of heinous acts of a scorched earth strategy:
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“If I can’t have what I want, I can only find gratification by taking as much from as many others as possible”.
FU! and burn in hell!
That would require somebody to have not respected his right to privacy.
If you have a child, I want you to go into their room and start rooting through their stuff and tell them, if they ask, that you want to ensure they aren’t going to shoot up the local mall. :)
These things are almost always impossible to predict who will do them, even though when it happens it’s never surprising who did it by those that know them.
I had the cops come to my house, because somebody mistook a joke I made on Facebook as a suicide note. I adamantly refused to let them look at my computer to see what was on there.
They left without checking my computer. If cops are abiding by the Constitution, they can’t check your computer without a warrant. There’s no choice about that.
Don’t waste your time argueing with idiots. These people are truly dumb yet believe they’re the smartest person in every roon they’re in. You would do yourself a favor by removing these types of people from you life. If you don’t, there will eventually be a big blow up and the relationship will end. Do it now and save yourself a lot of grief. And believe me, you won’t be able to stop this guy from expressing his oppinion. You can ask and ask and then eventually beg but he’ll keep on telling you Reagan was evil and Sarah Palin is stupid.
Actually you need to look to the ACLU as the parent of this issue. They decided that even people who demonstrably could not function had rights to defend. That is why there Re so many sick and homeless on the streets
I don’t have any uber liberal friends.
Amen.
The clincher was the Cali AG saying on-camera without a hint of irony that if L/E (on the scene b/c of his worried parents) took him into custody, that would have violated his "civil rights."
N-o-t-h-i-n-g about the civil rights of those he endangered, killed and wounded.
It’s not that easy. A 72 hour hold has to go through a LEO or a psychiatrist. His parents tried to get him evaluated, the cops did a poor job of assessing him. Having dealt with this issue in the ER in the past in Cali, I had several times I, an experienced ER physician wanted a 72 hour hold, and the cop refused.at which point I was helpless. I had one teenager from a middle class family who was clearly psychotic, paranoid, eating out of trAsh dumpsters, and the local Barney Fife decided she wasn’t an imminent threat to herself and turned her loose despite my request and the pleas of her parents. As the cop was leaving I told him “ too bad I went to medical school and residency, I should have gone to the sheriffs academy”.
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