[yldstrk]

ooooooooooooooookay

whatever you say kemosabe

[AnotherUnixGeek]

ooooooooooooooookay

whatever you say kemosabe

As I mentioned, I've been to many other parts of this country - often. Based on what you've said, you've never even been to the Bay Area and therefore have no personal info about this subject at all. Why not fly out and spend a few days looking around - hotels and rental cars are no worse than anywhere else. Drive around and make your own observations - not just San Francisco, which is nothing like most of the Bay Area, but the East Bay, the Peninsula and the South Bay/Silicon Valley.

Always better to speak based on personal experience, as I have, rather than make a reply like yours based on what you heard someone once say.