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What Happened in Vegas? California Pastor faces Murder Charge After Bar Scuffle
Fox News ^ | June 06, 2014 | Cristina Corbin

Posted on 06/06/2014 9:14:16 PM PDT by nickcarraway

A California pastor is being extradited to Nevada on a murder charge in the death of a man outside a Las Vegas sports bar -- despite claims by witnesses that the father of two was acting in self-defense.

Robert Cox, of Manteca, Calif., claims he did not throw a punch at Link Ellingson, knocking him to the ground and causing a mortal head injury. But prosecutors claim Cox changed his story, first telling officers he punched Ellingson after the man threatened him outside Four Kegs bar, and then later claiming in a written statement that he grabbed Ellingson by the waist and the two fell to the ground, according to the criminal complaint charging Cox with felony murder.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; US: California; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: christian; lasvegas; murder

1 posted on 06/06/2014 9:14:16 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Tell your story TO YOUR ATTORNEY. DO NOT SPEAK TO COPS.


2 posted on 06/06/2014 9:20:49 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Frank_2001

Amen to that.


3 posted on 06/06/2014 9:23:04 PM PDT by umgud
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To: nickcarraway

Never talk to the cops, but know this:

If they get you to tell your story, and then later they ask you to re-tell it DO NOT COMPLY.

If your first and second story differ by so little as one scintilla they will claim you CHANGED YOUR STORY and that’s that.

Just don’t talk to them in the first place.


4 posted on 06/06/2014 9:26:01 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: nickcarraway

Vegas cops have earned their reputation.


5 posted on 06/06/2014 9:27:57 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: nickcarraway

http://video.fox40.com/Manteca-Pastor-Accused-of-Homicide-in-Las-Vegas-26227725#.U5FWDC_jN4k.twitter

Multiple witnesses to the event say the pastor was defending his flock of students.


6 posted on 06/06/2014 9:27:58 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: nickcarraway

Why would he take his wife and small kids to a sports bar?


7 posted on 06/06/2014 9:32:34 PM PDT by Veggie Todd (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. TJ)
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To: gaijin

I have seen law enforcement say they knew a person was guilty, because their story didn’t change at all, and in innocent people it will a always change a little. I have seen law enforcement say they knew a person was guilty because their story changed. So, you are guilty either way.


8 posted on 06/06/2014 9:33:02 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Veggie Todd
Why would he take his wife and small kids to a sports bar?

Because many sports bars are like Applebees etc. They serve dinners and have TV's showing sports. Most of the people at lunch or dinner are there for just that. Lunch and dinner. And like most restaurants they have a bar.

9 posted on 06/06/2014 9:40:26 PM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: PAR35

What does that mean? No sarcasm, just elaborate. Thank you.


10 posted on 06/06/2014 9:42:41 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: PAR35
Vegas cops have earned their reputation.

Vegas cops are nothing more than company enforcers for the casinos, much like the security services one found in the company towns of the 19th century.

11 posted on 06/06/2014 9:53:11 PM PDT by Robwin
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To: Fungi

They tend to leave dead bodies in their wake. Remember the guy they gunned down at the big box store, and then it turned out there was no video from any of the security cameras that were within range? That wasn’t the only notch they’ve put on their guns. LV cops are aggressive and mean.


12 posted on 06/06/2014 9:55:45 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Starstruck

I take it you’ve never seen the inside or outside of Four Kegs. Not exactly family friendly. And no way to mistake it for a fern bar.


13 posted on 06/06/2014 9:57:53 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Frank_2001

“You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.” Sound advise.


14 posted on 06/06/2014 10:16:19 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: PAR35
I take it you’ve never seen the inside or outside of Four Kegs. Not exactly family friendly. And no way to mistake it for a fern bar.

No just a few in the suburbs around Overland Park, Ks. Wouldn't have any problem taking my family for lunch or dinner. Probably wouldn't take them late at night.

15 posted on 06/06/2014 10:25:13 PM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Veggie Todd

A lot of sports bars these days are nothing much more than a restaurant with a place on the side where you can order drinks.


16 posted on 06/06/2014 10:34:42 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: PAR35

Does make you wonder why he used poor judgement then.


17 posted on 06/06/2014 10:43:32 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Veggie Todd

“Why would he take his wife and small kids to a sports bar?”
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If you read the story you’ll see that they (the 22 member Church service group including Pastor Cox and his family) ENTERED the restaurant side, had dinner and afterwards EXITED through the bar side.

My prediction is that this will likely turn out to be yet another corrupt/dirty/incompetent cop story.


18 posted on 06/06/2014 10:50:10 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: DoughtyOne

Does make you wonder why he used poor judgement then.
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Maybe it wasn’t such poor judgement. Looking at the restaurant’s website/menu they do advertise a “Family Dining Room”.

Drunks and folks with anger issues and other problems appear in all sorts of places.

http://www.fourkegs.com/index.html


19 posted on 06/06/2014 10:59:40 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: PAR35
They tend to leave dead bodies in their wake. Remember the guy they gunned down at the big box store, and then it turned out there was no video from any of the security cameras that were within range? That wasn’t the only notch they’ve put on their guns. LV cops are aggressive and mean.

Yes, I remember. His name was Erik Scott. He was drugged out of his mind, shouldn't have been out in public, and definitely shouldn't have been carrying a firearm in that condition. The officers were cleared and Scott's parents eventually dropped their lawsuit.

20 posted on 06/06/2014 11:16:14 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: gaijin

In this case, at least according to the cops, he did change his story substantially. At first he says he only grabbed the guy around the waist, resulting in their both falling and that’s how he broke a finger.

However when confronted with video evidence that shows only one guy, the victim, falling and hitting his head that’s when the pastor admitted to decking him.

However, it’s likely that, if witness statements are accurate, he will only have to face trial on something lesser.


21 posted on 06/06/2014 11:53:37 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: nickcarraway

Four Kegs has the best pizza.

Half price during NFL games.

Many fine memories.


22 posted on 06/07/2014 12:51:46 AM PDT by not2be4gotten.com
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To: nickcarraway

Because you can always trust a cop not to lie. “I was afraid for my life.”
“He was resisting arrest. “


23 posted on 06/07/2014 4:17:05 AM PDT by Obadiah (Always remember that you're unique. Just like everyone else.)
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To: Frank_2001

Never speak to the cops.
I would just give my name followed by “I want a Lawyer”.


24 posted on 06/07/2014 5:25:20 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: nickcarraway

Although others have said it, I want to repeat it.

Except for one thing, NEVER talk to a police officer, it almost always gets you into further trouble, and frequently provides the ONLY evidence which can be used to establish guilt even if you are not guilty.

What is the one thing you can say?: “I want to talk to a lawyer.” Not “I think” I want to talk to a lawyer, or “I may” want to talk to a lawyer, or “Should I” talk to a lawyer.

Say: “I WANT to talk to a lawyer.”

There are many many wonderful, good police officers, and thank goodness for them. But there are many bad ones, ones willing to lie or twist, and you do not know which type you will be dealing with.

Plus, in this age police forces are becoming more like occupying forces, hostile to the “civilian” population, and instruments (often unwittingly) of the Leftist agenda.

If you only say “I want a lawyer,” it is much harder for the police to later make stuff up.


25 posted on 06/07/2014 6:39:21 AM PDT by Gratia
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To: Starstruck
No just a few in the suburbs around Overland Park, Ks.

Didn't realize that Four Kegs was a national chain.

26 posted on 06/07/2014 7:33:50 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: House Atreides
Looking at the restaurant’s website/menu they do advertise a “Family Dining Room”.

It's an Italian dive. They may be using 'family' in the Godfather sense. They do set it in quotes: "if you'd prefer a more "family" oriented gathering."

27 posted on 06/07/2014 7:37:38 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: PAR35

Not 4 Kegs. was talking sports bars in general.


28 posted on 06/07/2014 7:57:47 AM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Starstruck

Four Kegs isn’t what I’d consider a ‘sports bar’. ‘Local dive’ is a more apt description.


29 posted on 06/07/2014 8:09:10 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: PAR35

Looking at the restaurant’s website/menu they do advertise a “Family Dining Room”.


It’s an Italian dive. They may be using ‘family’ in the Godfather sense. They do set it in quotes: “if you’d prefer a more “family” oriented gathering.”
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Ahh...I put Family Dining Room in quotes since it was an extract from their website; it wasn’t in quotes in their website. “Family” covers more than just genetic nuclear family groups; it meant to cover things such as church groups, kids’ softball teams, etc.

But I’m not going to quibble if you’d prefer for some reason to believe that they meant “family” in the Mafia sense.


30 posted on 06/07/2014 9:35:15 AM PDT by House Atreides
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To: House Atreides

I agree with your conclusion.

I’m not trying to lay it on thick, because I doubt the pastor went out of his way to cause trouble here. He may have, but until I hear otherwise I’m willing to think he was the innocent.

Sports bar...
“Four Kegs”
Beer signs all over inside...
Big sign reads in part..., “Gaming”

I don’t know. Seems there must have been a better place.

Perhaps he thought the kids were too hungry to go the rest of the way. I don’t know all the particulars.


31 posted on 06/07/2014 9:47:08 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Veggie Todd

This place was on Diners, Drive in’s and Dives. http://www.foodnetwork.com/restaurants/nv/las-vegas/four-kegs-sports-pub-restaurant.html

It was probably a choice that was a tourist spot, and the interns are all over 18 so not little kids.


32 posted on 06/07/2014 6:59:51 PM PDT by luvpoohbear71
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To: luvpoohbear71

Shouldn’t they all be over 21?


33 posted on 06/07/2014 7:00:49 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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