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To: Jabba the Nutt

The problem I have with Libertarians is that they are dangerously ignorant of the world in which we live. Soros has spent too much money either influencing or compromising the party.

Heroin turned powerful nations with amazing culture, such as China and Iran, into slave nations.

The Federal governments role is to protect and support general welfare. That is what we pay taxes for.

Heroin is NOT alcohol that can be consumed periodically without ending in deadly addiction. The Feds are not doing their job allowing Poisonous heroin, killer “spice marijuana” from China, and approving opiods and other highly addictive substances, even for children, giving doctors and parents a VERY false sense of security.

The Feds are in cahoots with the cartels and that is treason. Taxation without representation is tyranny.


35 posted on 06/10/2014 5:03:28 AM PDT by mgist (.)
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To: mgist

“Heroin turned powerful nations with amazing culture, such as China and Iran, into slave nations.”

When opiates were legal in this country, addiction was low,and declining in the late 19th century.

“The Federal governments role is to protect and support general welfare.”

The Constitution’ s general welfare clause is a statement of purpose not a grant of authority; federal authority is limited to its explicitly enumerated powers, which don’t include regulating any drugs that don’t cross state or national borders.

“Heroin is NOT alcohol that can be consumed periodically without ending in deadly addiction.”

Of all those who ever used alcohol, 15% at some time were dependent; the percentage for heroin is 23% - higher, but a difference of degree not of kind.


36 posted on 06/10/2014 8:51:57 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: mgist
There's so much wrong with your reply, I've decided to reply to each statement. "The problem I have with Libertarians is that they are dangerously ignorant of the world in which we live. Soros has spent too much money either influencing or compromising the party."

In other words, you disagree with libertarians and I've spent alot of time among libertarians and I don't find them ignorant of the world. Libertarians supported drug legalization way before Soros ever came on the scene. Soros focuses more on liberal groups, not libertarians. "Heroin turned powerful nations with amazing culture, such as China and Iran, into slave nations."

Really? That's the cause? Big government, corruption, oppression and confiscatory taxation weren't causes? I'm pretty well up on drug history, I've never heard this claim about Iran before. The British conducted and won the Opium Wars against China to open China up to opium. Obviously, this disaster happened before China was "destroyed" by heroin. So, what was then the cause of Chinese weakness?

After the ChiComs took power, they wiped out the opium trade by killing dealers, users and others. Did that "liberate" China or was China even more of a slave state without drugs under Mao, who murdered over 100 million Chinese in his various Great Leap Forward, Cultural Revolutions and general murderous rampages against anyone considered an opponent or not. "The Federal governments role is to protect and support general welfare. That is what we pay taxes for."

That's general welfare, not specific welfare. Also, why are you picking up and using debunked liberal talking points? General Welfare is in the Preamable to the Constitution, it is not a grant of specific, enumerated power, which are listed in Article I, Section 8. Regulating drugs is not in that list and the Federal Government as zero authority to say anything about drugs, legal or illegal. "Heroin is NOT alcohol that can be consumed periodically without ending in deadly addiction. The Feds are not doing their job allowing Poisonous heroin, killer “spice marijuana” from China, and approving opiods and other highly addictive substances, even for children, giving doctors and parents a VERY false sense of security."

Wrong. There are occassional users of heroin, who don't get addicted or enslaved to heroin. And I'll admit, illegal drugs are not pharmaceutical grade and anyone who uses them are fools. Second, there is only one drug that has been powerful enough and pervasive enough to affect entire cultures due to the use of the drug. That drug IS alcohol. Look at Russia, American Indians and other countries have terrible alcoholism problems. "The Feds are in cahoots with the cartels and that is treason. Taxation without representation is tyranny."

Gee whiz, you're on board that drug prohibition or any prohibition causes corruption.

Over all, my main point has been is that drug prohibitionist ignore the problems caused by prohibition. Many of the problems they blame on drug use is actually the result of the misuse of law and drug prohibition. Let's way up the costs and benefits of the law instead of continuing to ignore the costs.

39 posted on 06/11/2014 8:20:30 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (You can have a free country or government schools. Choose one.)
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