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Meet Erick Gelhaus - The Sheriff’s Deputy Who Killed Andy Lopez
International Business Times Russia Today ^ | October 30 2013 | Treye Green

Posted on 06/10/2014 12:01:09 AM PDT by Rabin

4. He Shot Andy Lopez Eight Times: Gelhaus stepped out of his vehicle and ordered Lopez to drop the gun. When the teen did not drop the weapon and turned facing the deputies, Gelhaus fired eight times at Lopez.

//SNIP// (If a Deputy slaughters a child in the forest, will the Sharif make a sound?) //and then//

http://rt.com/usa/andy-lopez-protest-return-deputy-093

Decision to reinstate officer who killed 13-year-old carrying toy gun ...

The police officer who fatally shot a 13 yeae old child will be reinstated. Sonoma County Deputy Erick Gelhaus returned to work in Santa Rosa on Monday... (but) at a desk job... An assistant Sheriff saying that Eric was allowed to return to duty because he "had not violated any department policies" when he (repeatdly)shot Lopez and has reportedly "passed a mental health test", and could return to patrol duty “Our job is to get him back to work.” “It’s been very difficult for him (Eric), emotionally, to see this family, to realize Andy Lopez 13-year-old, That doesn’t lessen the fact at that moment he was faced with what he believed was an AK-47.”

(Excerpt) Read more at ibtimes.com ...


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7 caps for walking with a gun????

Rab thinks, justice delayed is Justice denied.

Sad but true, Ted Cruz (no relation to Andy) has no comment, to date.

1 posted on 06/10/2014 12:01:10 AM PDT by Rabin
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To: null and void; Alaska Wolf

But the cop got to go home...


2 posted on 06/10/2014 12:12:50 AM PDT by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: Rabin

Several of the shots came in at an angle that indicates Lopez was already down. This indicates Gelhaus continued to fire at the prone figure. Thousands of people in Santa Rosa are very angry about this case. I think Gelhaus will always have to watch his back.


3 posted on 06/10/2014 12:36:59 AM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert (FUBO, and the useful idiots you rode in on!)
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert

It seems that cops are taught to never let someone live once they decide to shoot them.


4 posted on 06/10/2014 12:57:53 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: null and void; bamahead

Article about the Saint who blew away a 13 y.o. with a toy gun. The 13 y.o. was not available for comment.


5 posted on 06/10/2014 2:07:49 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Be a part of the American freedom migration: freestateproject.org)
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To: ansel12

A cop once told me that he had shot two people in the course of duty. They lived. He never killed anyone.


6 posted on 06/10/2014 3:29:17 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: Rabin

This is an October article — what is the current status of this case???

I believe he has already returned to work protecting the community from little kids carrying toy guns.


7 posted on 06/10/2014 5:06:22 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: exDemMom

most cops go thru their careers without shooting anyone.


8 posted on 06/10/2014 5:51:57 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: RKBA Democrat; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; albertp; Alexander Rubin; Allosaurs_r_us; ...
He Shot Andy Lopez Eight Times.



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9 posted on 06/10/2014 6:14:22 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: bamahead

As Christians we have been taught, “Thou Shall Not Kill”.
I know of one officer that indeed did have to kill someone in the line of duty to save his and other peoples lives. He has lived with that for a number of years and publicly speaks of the haunting he has lived with since that date.

It is easy for us to “judge” the other person, not having been put into such a situation. Ask any veteran how easy it is and you will get much the same answer.


10 posted on 06/10/2014 6:38:39 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: Rabin

Did the kid shoulder the weapon and fire at the police?

The training of police officers MUST change. They are too quick to assume they are in danger. IF the kid had an AK47 (why would an American kid be walking down the road with an AK47?), why would the officer place himself in jeopardy? Why not confront the kid from cover (behind the vehicle)?

I’m going home safe, at the end of my shift, no matter how many kids (and dogs) I have to kill.


11 posted on 06/10/2014 6:45:10 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: DaveA37
It is easy for us to “judge” the other person

Which other person are you referring to -- the veteran hiding behind the car firing 9 shots at the kid with his back to him or the rookie closer to the kid and more vulnerable but who held his fire.

12 posted on 06/10/2014 6:46:53 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Rabin

“The suit also cites an incident in August, two months before the teenager was killed, in which Gelhaus allegedly pulled a gun on motorist Jeffrey Westbrook two times during a traffic stop on Highway 101 in Cotati. Westbrook told The Chronicle that the interaction troubled him so much that he recalled asking the deputy at one point, “Sir, is there something wrong with you?””


13 posted on 06/10/2014 6:51:27 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: faucetman
Why not confront the kid from cover (behind the vehicle)?

He did -- the cowardly cop was behind the vehicle, actually behind the engine on the far side of the vehicle which is safer -- but he just wanted to be a hero that day and heroism to him was shooting someone in the back.

14 posted on 06/10/2014 6:52:47 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Rabin

“Gelhaus has told investigators that he fired when the boy turned and the barrel of the rifle rose toward the deputies, he said”

Key words: “the barrel of the rifle rose”

Gelhaus, ......”instructed and advised others on the use of questionable tactics, including recommendations as to how an officer must respond to justify shooting a kid with a toy gun,” the suit said.

Key words: “how an officer must respond to justify shooting a kid with a toy gun,”

Hmmmmmm.


15 posted on 06/10/2014 7:03:23 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Rabin

June 3, 2014

Sonoma County District Attorney Jill Ravitch breezes to 2nd term

The win came amid simmering controversy over whether Ravitch should file criminal charges against sheriff’s Deputy Erick Gelhaus in the shooting death of 13-year-old Andy Lopez....

Ravitch, who has been reviewing a Santa Rosa police report on the shooting for the past four months, has declined to say what she will do or set a timeline for a decision.

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20140603/articles/140609888


16 posted on 06/10/2014 7:03:35 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Rabin

“How many children, old people, and law-abiding citizens have to be injured, terrorized or killed before we call a halt to the growing rash of police violence that is wracking the country?”

a good read (short)

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/just-shoot-the-mindset-responsible-for-turning-search-warrants-into-death-warrants-and-swat-teams-into-death-squads/


17 posted on 06/10/2014 7:30:46 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Uncle Chip

OMG what a coward. He had no reason to be afraid then. This was murder!


18 posted on 06/10/2014 7:32:28 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: exDemMom

Well that destroys this entire idea that we have gotten over the years from the video and more detailed information available on the internet, thanks for clearing it all up for us.


19 posted on 06/10/2014 7:33:52 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: DaveA37

“It is easy for us to “judge” the other person, not having been put into such a situation.”

Do you actually believe that emptying your pistol into a 13 year old boy is justified? Gelhaus was the Sheriff’s Dept. weapons instructor. He, more than an ordinary deputy should have used restraint. But here again, as always, the perpetrating officer gets off.
And now we have this wanton killing of two cops in Las Vegas. Do you have any way that you can try and connect the dots? Sure, the two perpetrators in LV were radical nuts, but there is an increasing likelihood, unless cops change their attitude toward those that are supposed to “serve,” more of that kind of retribution is in the offing.


20 posted on 06/10/2014 8:29:24 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: faucetman
The training of police officers MUST change. They are too quick to assume they are in danger.

Any excuse can be used to implement lethal force, from shouldering an RPG to brandishing nail clippers. you can be holding a knife with a 1.5 inch blade or swinging a Samurai Sword. Same thing when it comes to the officer safety.

21 posted on 06/10/2014 11:47:34 AM PDT by Mr. Quarterpanel (I am not an actor, but I play one on TV)
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To: ansel12

No need to be sarcastic at me. You’re the one who said that all cops are taught to shoot to kill, not me. If you did not intend that as a serious statement, you should have tagged it appropriately.


22 posted on 06/10/2014 4:29:37 PM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: exDemMom

Your personal “someone told me “ story doesn’t change anything, in recent years cops seem to have moved to a make sure they are dead mind set, they don’t stop just because the threat is over that is why we get more and more of these overkills.


23 posted on 06/10/2014 4:45:42 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: Rabin
“Our job is to get him back to work.”

So that he can shoot down more children like dogs.

24 posted on 06/10/2014 4:50:14 PM PDT by sport
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To: Yorlik803

Indeed. I do not remember ever seeing a cop with his gun drawn.


25 posted on 06/10/2014 5:50:31 PM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: Rabin; Alaska Wolf; TexasFreeper2009; DCBryan1; Slings and Arrows; Doomonyou; napscoordinator; ...
JBT Ping list


26 posted on 06/14/2014 8:14:17 AM PDT by null and void (Fascists never think they're fascists. They just think everybody should obey them.)
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To: Rabin
The training works...


27 posted on 06/14/2014 8:19:21 AM PDT by null and void (Fascists never think they're fascists. They just think everybody should obey them.)
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To: DaveA37

“As Christians we have been taught, “Thou Shall Not Kill”.

You’ve been taught wrong. That’s not what the Commandment says.”


28 posted on 06/14/2014 8:21:31 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Rabin
(If a Deputy slaughters a child in the forest, will the Sharif make a sound?)

Nothing so far...

29 posted on 06/14/2014 8:57:10 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: exDemMom

Check the link in # 17


30 posted on 06/14/2014 10:01:58 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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