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Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children
Townhall.com ^ | June 10, 2014 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 06/10/2014 10:24:54 AM PDT by Kaslin

Pope Francis said something so important last week that it will either be widely ignored or widely disparaged.

The pope criticized "these marriages, in which the spouses do not want children, in which the spouses want to remain without fertility. This culture of well-being ... convinced us: It's better not to have children! It's better! You can go explore the world, go on holiday, you can have a villa in the countryside; you can be carefree. It might be better -- more comfortable -- to have a dog, two cats, and the love goes to the two cats and the dog."

He is right. More than ever before, young men and women in most affluent Western countries (and Russia) have decided not to have children. Instead, many shower love and attention on dogs and cats. Ask many young women -- married or single -- if they have any children, and if they do not, you are likely to be told, "I have two cats" or "I have two dogs." There are authors whose book jacket photo shows them with their dog or cat.

In much of the West, animals are the new children.

The pope made this declaration for two reasons: one demographic and one religious and moral.

The demographic reason is that the populations of European countries such as the one in which he lives -- Italy -- are gradually disappearing.

--Italy's birth rate is approximately 1.41 children per woman, making Italy 203 out of 224 countries in terms of its fertility rate.

--LifeSiteNews, a religious-oriented news website, reported that Italian demographer Giancarlo Baliga said last year that by 2041, "The age group most represented in the structure of the Italians will become the 70s."

--According to Fred Pearce in the Guardian, "Italy has the world's second oldest population."

--According to population statistics website GeoHive, Italy will have two and a half million fewer people at the end of this century than it had in the beginning. And the only reason it will not far fewer is that so many Italian citizens will be foreign-born immigrants.

--According to Professor Peter McDonald, president of the International Union for the Scientific Study of Population (2010-2013) and a fellow of the Australian Academy of Social Sciences, if Italy remains at its current fertility levels and does not compensate with foreign immigrants, it will lose 86 percent of its population by the end of the century, falling to 8 million compared with today's 56 million.

The pope knows that Italians and other nations are slowly disappearing.

The question is: Why? Why do so many people prefer to parent pets than children?

Throughout history, there were three primary reasons people had many children: Lack of contraception, economic necessity and religion.

All three reasons are gone.

Thanks to modern contraception, couples can have all the sex they want without conceiving.

Regarding economic need, most people in welfare states no longer need children to care for them in old age because the state will do that.

And with the demise of religion in the developed world, there are no values-based reasons to have children.

What this means is that because of contraception and the welfare state, the one compelling reason to have children is that one's values demand it.

Those values overwhelmingly come from religion. The dominant religions of the Western world, Judaism and Christianity, demand marriage and children. Consequently, the people in affluent Western countries most likely to have more than two, and certainly more than three, children are Orthodox Jews, Evangelical Protestants, religious Catholics and active Mormons.

But secularism is now dominant in the West, which ends the values-based reason to have children.

One might argue that there is a fourth reason to have children -- a desire to raise and love children and have a family. But one shouldn't put too much stock in that argument. Without religion, even those who want children almost never have more than two. And more and more secular individuals find that their desire to nurture is fulfilled by loving cats and dogs.

That was the pope's point.


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1 posted on 06/10/2014 10:24:54 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Well, duh Frank. Then how about letting priests marry so they can have children instead of pets?


2 posted on 06/10/2014 10:28:56 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: Kaslin

Have children? In modern America?


3 posted on 06/10/2014 10:29:36 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: Kaslin

Little tough for young people to even think about having kids when....

They are loaded up the kazoo with student loan debt.

Living at home with their parents.

Cannot find full time well paying jobs.


4 posted on 06/10/2014 10:30:46 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Kaslin
Like I've said, Francis is in a state of dementia. I don't remember any of this in the bible???

I mean I know folks had sheeps for pets which were miraculously turned into stew.

5 posted on 06/10/2014 10:33:23 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Kaslin

Can pets replace Democrats?


6 posted on 06/10/2014 10:36:22 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Kaslin
... most people in welfare states no longer need children to care for them in old age because the state will do that.

Good luck with that if you're under 60 now. You might wish you'd decided to take a chance on having children who love you even when you're old.

7 posted on 06/10/2014 10:39:00 AM PDT by Tax-chick (When the truth finally dawns, it dawns in fire!)
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To: Dr. Thorne

Pets can’t replace children? Tell that to our Chihuahua Coco the Imperial Princess. :-)


8 posted on 06/10/2014 10:39:01 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Kaslin
The pope criticized "these marriages, in which the spouses do not want children, in which the spouses want to remain without fertility. This culture of well-being ... convinced us: It's better not to have children! It's better! You can go explore the world, go on holiday, you can have a villa in the countryside; you can be carefree. It might be better -- more comfortable -- to have a dog, two cats, and the love goes to the two cats and the dog."

Curious !

He seems to be in that class of people.

The utter hypocrisy.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
9 posted on 06/10/2014 10:40:36 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Kaslin

And made up theology cannot replace the Ten Commandments, as this Pope routinely violates the Eighth, Ninth and Tenth.


10 posted on 06/10/2014 10:41:29 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Kaslin; All
More than ever before, young men and women in most affluent Western countries (and Russia) have decided not to have children.

Meanwhile, Muslims are breeding like rabbits in those same countries.

11 posted on 06/10/2014 10:47:01 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Dr. Thorne
Perhaps you do not understand the liberty a man or woman has, to choose celibacy.

"Letting priests marry?" Nobody forces a man to choose the celibate priesthood, and whoever wants to leave it can do so. It's not a matter of "let."

12 posted on 06/10/2014 10:52:36 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Stop judging by appearances, but judge with righteous judgment." - (John 7:24))
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To: Sacajaweau; Kaslin
Right, Sacajaweau. I guess Dennis Prager must be in a state of dementia, too, since he is actually demented enough to provide evidence that this is happening, a reasoned analysis on where this is leading demographically, and to imagine that evidence and reason would make a difference.

Weird.

13 posted on 06/10/2014 10:55:53 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Stop judging by appearances, but judge with righteous judgment." - (John 7:24))
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To: Sacajaweau

Start here:
Genesis 1:28


14 posted on 06/10/2014 11:02:25 AM PDT by kidd
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To: Kaslin

God told us to Go Be Fruitful & Multiply! He means pastors and priests too! The Pope doesn’t have children, so he should close his big pie hole.


15 posted on 06/10/2014 11:04:14 AM PDT by buffyt (It is not a CHOICE, it is a CHILD OF GOD!)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012; Kaslin
Uri' --- the Pope is a consecrated celibate, a class of people commended by Our Lord and by St. Paul as being single "for the Kingdom."

This is different from being either a self-serving unnatural-sex MSM "couple" or an intentionally-sterile self-serving contracepting "couple."

Denying the difference between intentionally-sterile actively sexual couples, an a person single for the Lord in imitation of the Lord, strikes me as being rather unreflective.

16 posted on 06/10/2014 11:04:55 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Stop judging by appearances, but judge with righteous judgment." - (John 7:24))
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To: Kaslin
Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children

I guess the Pope has never been to Miami Beach or the swanky parts of NY City.


17 posted on 06/10/2014 11:06:08 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The Obamas' Black skin has morphed into Teflon thanks to the Obama Media)
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To: onedoug

Bearing false witness, coveting others’ goods, and coveting others’ spouses? You’ll have to supply a quote.


18 posted on 06/10/2014 11:06:15 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Stop judging by appearances, but judge with righteous judgment." - (John 7:24))
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To: DannyTN

My cat is smarter than any democrat! By far Her litter box is smarter than Obama, and smells nicer too. Have you ever been near him or Harry Reid? Those two need baths


19 posted on 06/10/2014 11:06:23 AM PDT by buffyt (It is not a CHOICE, it is a CHILD OF GOD!)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

Who is also in "that class of people". Another hypocrite?

20 posted on 06/10/2014 11:08:34 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Kaslin

He’s right. Kids are much, much better than pets. Not that we didn’t love our pets when we had them.


21 posted on 06/10/2014 11:09:41 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: kidd; Sacajaweau
And go on to here:

Matthew 19:12 Contemporary English Version (CEV)

(Matthew 19:12) Some people are unable to marry because of birth defects or because of what someone has done to their bodies. Others stay single for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Anyone who can accept this teaching should do so.”

22 posted on 06/10/2014 11:10:13 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Stop judging by appearances, but judge with righteous judgment." - (John 7:24))
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To: EveningStar

Correct - Pets will not replace European children. Muslims will.


23 posted on 06/10/2014 11:10:23 AM PDT by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is Treason. Its agents are Traitors.)
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To: kidd

http://parade.condenast.com/257470/michelechollow/pope-francis-on-animals/


24 posted on 06/10/2014 11:10:30 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Kaslin
How many children does the Pope have?

Please don't say "all of them".

25 posted on 06/10/2014 11:11:43 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Tax-chick
Dear Tax-chick,

Indeed. And when the health issues come in old age, there is nothing like having the advocacy of someone who loves you by your side.

As for myself, my older son has agreed that his mother and I can live with him when we're unable to take care of ourselves, and the younger son has promised to send the older son a check every month. LOL.


sitetest

26 posted on 06/10/2014 11:12:34 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Kaslin

I love children. Other people’s children and look forward to spending no more than 10 minutes with em.

I like my dogs better and they can do whatever they want as far as I’m concerned.


27 posted on 06/10/2014 11:12:38 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: buffyt
A little more Biblical material for your consideration:

#16

and

#22

28 posted on 06/10/2014 11:13:26 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Stop judging by appearances, but judge with righteous judgment." - (John 7:24))
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To: Mrs. Don-o

True, no one is forced to join the priesthood.

But it’s a little more complicated than that. Back in the day, many older Catholics will recall, Catholic families were much larger than they are today. Often many of these families would actively encourage a young son or daughter to enter into vocations, often at a very young age, with the full backing of the Church. Teenagers as young as sixteen, seventeen, and eighteen were often recruited for the seminaries. Many were far from sexually and emotionally mature, therefore this certainly must have been a contributing factor to the homosexual/pedophile priest scandal.

Since the scandal, the Church has since implemented a strict screening process complete with thorough physical and psychological examinations. According to our pastor, only about one in ten applicants to the priesthood actually get admitted into the seminary. Also, the average age of a man entering into the seminary today is about thirty five, many considerably older.

As homosexuality has been widely accepted by the general public in recent years, and even celebrated and glorified in certain sectors, especially our media and entertainment establishments, there is little desire these days for homosexuals to enter into vocations, although back in the day that was an attractive option for them, and in many cases a perfect cover for them because back in those days few people would dare question the veracity or integrity of a Catholic priest plus you had the bishops covering up for them transferring predator priests from one parish to the next.

That all said, the number of priests in the country continues to decline. In the 1960s we had about 60,000 ordained priests in the country, today the number is under 40,000. And yes the Church’s policy of mandatory clerical celibacy is something which should be reviewed. There is nothing in the Bible which says priests must be celibate, to the contrary, priests were married men in the Bible and for many centuries they were permitted to be married even in the Catholic Church. And as Pope Francis himself has recently stated, the policy is not considered dogma etched into stone, and is subject to change.


29 posted on 06/10/2014 11:14:26 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Sacajaweau
We don't blame our unmarried Christian children for being childless, do we?

It would be rather scandalous if an unmarried man, a vowed celibate, had children, wouldn't it? Unless he had them as a married man before he became a priest.

30 posted on 06/10/2014 11:17:01 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Stop judging by appearances, but judge with righteous judgment." - (John 7:24))
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To: Mrs. Don-o
the Pope is a consecrated celibate, a class of people commended by Our Lord and by St. Paul as being single "for the Kingdom."

I find none of that vestal virgin stuff in YHvH's WORD.

YHvH ended His priesthood in 70 CE, when He permitted
the temple to be destroyed.

Yah'shua is our High Priest.

There are no other intercessors.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
31 posted on 06/10/2014 11:23:44 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
I do think that contraception is the main causes of the shortage of celibate vocations. When people had a normal number of children (say, 4-6) they knew that if a few of them discerned a celibate vocation, they would still have kids to care for them into their old age, and they'd still have grandchildren.

Now that so many Catholic couples settle for sub-replacement procreation and impair their bodies with drugs, devices, and surgery to prevent any more--- it's much rarer for them to accept the idea that some of their kids have a genuine calling to Christian celibacy. This is the sort of "singleness" which is described by Our Lord as being "for the Kingdom." (Matthew 19:12)

It is true that celibacy is not a theological or dogmatic prerequisite for the Sacrament of Holy Orders. There have always been, and are now, tens of thousands of married people in Holy Orders.

32 posted on 06/10/2014 11:27:06 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Stop judging by appearances, but judge with righteous judgment." - (John 7:24))
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
I do think that contraception is the main causes of the shortage of celibate vocations. When people had a normal number of children (say, 4-6) they knew that if a few of them discerned a celibate vocation, they would still have kids to care for them into their old age, and they'd still have grandchildren.

Now that so many Catholic couples settle for sub-replacement procreation and impair their bodies with drugs, devices, and surgery to prevent any more--- it's much rarer for them to accept the idea that some of their kids have a genuine calling to Christian celibacy. This is the sort of "singleness" which is described by Our Lord as being "for the Kingdom." (Matthew 19:12)

It is true that celibacy is not a theological or dogmatic prerequisite for the Sacrament of Holy Orders. There have always been, and are now, tens of thousands of married people in Holy Orders.

33 posted on 06/10/2014 11:27:18 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Stop judging by appearances, but judge with righteous judgment." - (John 7:24))
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To: Kaslin

I actually agree with him on this. I do however understand the problems young people face with stagnating wages,job market etc...As a petitioner going door to door I could see that the dog did replace children in many instances...less hassles.


34 posted on 06/10/2014 11:28:15 AM PDT by magna carta
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Not so much contraception, but rather economics is a key consideration why so many young people are postponing things such marriage, children, and home ownership. It helps to have a decent paying job and not being weighed down with excessive debt.

The Pope wonders why so many people these days opt for having a cat or a dog over having a baby. He should look no further than his own backyard in Europe, where economic growth has been negligible, unemployment very high, young adults living at home with there parents well until their thirties and forties. Few opportunities for them in a dying continent where in most families grandparents now outnumber their grandchildren in most cases.


35 posted on 06/10/2014 11:33:50 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Romulus
U-2012>shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

Who is also in "that class of people". Another hypocrite?

????

36 posted on 06/10/2014 11:36:51 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
Read carefully. I did not say "vestal virgin." I said what Jesus said, unmarried "for the Kingdom." (Matthew 19:9).

To add to Our Lord's endorsement of singleness, there's also St. Paul's:

1 Corinthians 7-8

I wish that all of you were as I am. But each of you has your own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that.

Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do.

and

1 Corinthians 7:32-35

I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord’s affairs—how he can please the Lord.

But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world--how he can please his wife--- and his interests are divided.

An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord’s affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world—how she can please her husband.

I am saying this for your own good, not to restrict you, but but that you may live in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord."

Notice there's nothing there about "vestal virgins". St. Paul says his personal endorsement of celibacy is "that you live in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord" and "for your own good."

37 posted on 06/10/2014 11:44:45 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Stop judging by appearances, but judge with righteous judgment." - (John 7:24))
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Stop making sense. It only confuses them.


38 posted on 06/10/2014 11:52:01 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Matthew 19:9

What does this verse have to do with vestal virgins ??

Sh'aul's recommendation is NOT a commandment of YHvH.

OBTW YHvH commanded all to marry including the High Priests.

Celibacy is only found in Pagan religions.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
39 posted on 06/10/2014 11:59:37 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The Pope is a socialist. Socialism does not fit the Tenth Commandment’s prohibition of covetousness. It in fact, promotes it, which leads naturally to situations involving bearing false witness to outright theft.

Personally, I don’t think these violations are very holy, so I don’t consider this Pope in any way a holy man.


40 posted on 06/10/2014 12:03:43 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Read this one:

” A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt to teach.”

Timothy 3:2


41 posted on 06/10/2014 12:09:09 PM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
All those other problems are certainly relevant

But these conditions have been that bad, and worse, at many other points in U.S. and European history. People were far poorer, materially, at many points in our history: most of us need only look back to our parents and grandparents' say.

Speaking for my own family tree: My mother came from a cohort of 5 siblings, my father 4 siblings.

My grandparents: 5 and 4 and 4 and 5.

My great-grandparents: 9 and 2 (died young) and 4 and 7.

All of these past generations were poorer, materially, than we are.

The same could be said of many Italian generational cohorts in the past.

But now, many couples will remain childless or reproduce at below replacement, while owning more than one house, while vacationing abroad annually, while spending more on restaurant dining than my parents had for their entire income.

My parents squrreled away money to own their own home by remaining single, working and scrimping for 20 years of their adult life. They married in their mid-30's.

Is the internet full of ads for "How to save money so you can own your own home in 10 years"? Or is it full of "Two fabulous weeks in Cancun!"

42 posted on 06/10/2014 12:09:59 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Stop judging by appearances, but judge with righteous judgment." - (John 7:24))
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To: Mrs. Don-o

What is lacking is not money or good jobs or a vibrant economy, but rather, faith in God.


43 posted on 06/10/2014 12:14:15 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: onedoug
I have never heard the Pope advocating either the welfare state or laissez-faire materialism.

To the extent that you can call the Catholic Church's social teaching "anti-capitalist," it's a "private property anti-capitalism" that hearkens back to the older idealof a "moral society," without cutthroat capitalists or class struggle. In this view, a moral society is one in which the rich shun greed and recognize their obligations to the poor and workers, and workers and the poor, in return, refrain from envy, theft or violence.

At worst this is a pre-modern or paternalistic view of society.

But it's hardly a "Marxist" view. While it may recognize the existence of social classes, the Catholic orthodoxy doesn't champion class struggle as the motor force for change in the world. Nor does it argue for a society in which the State decides what to produce and how to allocate society's resources.

In fact, Pope Francis' "The Joy of the Gospel" advocates for:

"Ethics--a non-ideological ethics--[that] would make it possible to bring about balance and a more humane social order...Money must serve, not rule! The Pope loves everyone, rich and poor alike, but he is obliged in the name of Christ to remind all that the rich must help, respect and promote the poor. I exhort you to generous solidarity and a return of economics and finance to an ethical approach which favors human beings."

In in a December 14 interview with the Italian newspaper La Stampa, he flatly stated, "The ideology of Marxism is wrong."

Francis went on to defend his criticism of "trickle-down economics," but added, "I repeat: I did not talk as a specialist, but according to the social doctrine of the church. And this does not mean being a Marxist."

44 posted on 06/10/2014 12:27:40 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Stop judging by appearances, but judge with righteous judgment." - (John 7:24))
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
Please go back and read with an emphasis on comprehension.

First, I did not say consecrated celibacy was all about "vestal virgins" --- you did.

Second, celibacy is praised by Our Lord and recommended by St. Paul. Therefore celibacy is not only found in pagan religions.

45 posted on 06/10/2014 12:31:04 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Stop judging by appearances, but judge with righteous judgment." - (John 7:24))
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
That's fine. I thought we'd been talking about deacons and priests in the Western Church?

I'm here to learn, Tell me about your bishops.

46 posted on 06/10/2014 12:32:56 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Stop judging by appearances, but judge with righteous judgment." - (John 7:24))
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To: sitetest

Amen.


47 posted on 06/10/2014 12:33:19 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Stop judging by appearances, but judge with righteous judgment." - (John 7:24))
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To: Mrs. Don-o

It would be nice if we saw mixed into all of that some of the wisdom of our Founding Fathers, including:

1) The virtue of limited government.
2) The virtue of private property rights.
3) The virtue of limited taxation.
4) The virtue of individual liberty.
5) The virtue of private ownership of firearms.

Perhaps its PR problem, but the Vatican these days seems hostile to all of these American virtues.


48 posted on 06/10/2014 12:34:50 PM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Mrs. Don-o

With the quote from Timothy I showed you in the Bible that a married clergy is permissible.


49 posted on 06/10/2014 12:36:44 PM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

I left one out and it’s one of the most important:

6) The virtue of free market capitalism.


50 posted on 06/10/2014 12:40:41 PM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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