Posted on 06/11/2014 6:23:04 PM PDT by lilyramone
What a time wasting troll, you had just acknowledged that he was pro-choice on another thread, even as you were refusing to admit it here, and avoided admitting it.
To: Gene Eric
**Really? I thought the Paul family was Pro-Life?**
Rand Paul is pro life for himself and pro choice for everyone else.
His most recent position was the same as Nancy Pelosi’s.
Look it up.
64 posted on 6/12/2014 1:13:08 PM by P-Marlowe
To: P-Marlowe
I believe you. Thanks.
66 posted on 6/12/2014 1:15:12 PM by Gene Eric (Don’t be a statist!)
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To: Gene Eric
**The Paul family is unambiguously Pro Life.**
No they aren’t, and you have had that proven to you, so why post a falsehood?
Rand Paul is all over the place on abortion, and is clearly not what we consider pro-life.
49 posted on 6/12/2014 1:18:09 PM by ansel12
Seriously? That’s what you were referring to when you mentioned something was “proven” to me?
You can’t read posts 37 and 51 and see that they are a transcript from a CNN interview with Rand Paul?
The man who you now admit is pro-choice?
Libertarians and their endless, dishonesty and games.
I know the OP posted a Politico story. I have no idea where your CNN references came from.
You indicated Paul’s Life position was “proven” to me. I won’t disagree the “proof” was evident in the dialog you pasted into post #61. I suppose that’s the basis for the “liar” charge given it’s the only recent post on the matter directed to me. Remember, you said it was “proven to [me]”.
We have gone over this, but I’ll try again, you are saying that you never saw what I had posted in post 37 today or on other threads, and didn’t see it on this thread, nor any other factual challenges to Rand being “unambiguously pro-life”?
I accused you of lying for posting that Rand Paul is unambiguously pro-life, something that we have known is not true for some time here at FR, and your avoidance of correcting yourself.
Now you want to say my cut and pasted posts from the other thread are wrong? How?
I’m just glad that you admitted that Rand Paul is not pro-life, but it would be nice you to retract your claim on this thread now.
What a time wasting troll, you had just acknowledged that he was pro-choice on another thread, even as you were refusing to admit it here, and avoided admitting it.
To: Gene Eric
**Really? I thought the Paul family was Pro-Life?**
Rand Paul is pro life for himself and pro choice for everyone else.
His most recent position was the same as Nancy Pelosi’s.
Look it up.
64 posted on 6/12/2014 1:13:08 PM by P-Marlowe
To: P-Marlowe
I believe you. Thanks.
66 posted on 6/12/2014 1:15:12 PM by Gene Eric (Don’t be a statist!)
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To: Gene Eric
**The Paul family is unambiguously Pro Life.**
No they aren’t, and you have had that proven to you, so why post a falsehood?
Rand Paul is all over the place on abortion, and is clearly not what we consider pro-life.
49 posted on 6/12/2014 1:18:09 PM by ansel12
61 posted on 6/12/2014 2:53:57 PM by ansel12
not the ones i know personally. don’t tar us all. he’s a politician and they mostly all move left as they live in lala dc land. i have one foot in both l and r because the l’s taught me more about right to travel, irs corruption, etc. than any conservative i have ever met. maybe it’s just the pa libertarians.
You don’t seem to understand, the reason they don’t call themselves “conservative”, is because they oppose conservatism, that is why they call themselves libertarian, because they are to the left of conservatives on many issues, and only share their economics.
Why do you think that Reagan was a conservative and not a libertarian?
To make it more clear, every single position that Rand Paul has moved left on, is him moving closer to the libertarian position on that issue.
It is his libertarianism that he is revealing.
you have outlined some of them. and the immigration thing is DC money. If that is what he is after then... i’m not a fan of rand or his dad. just sayin that “ls” that i know - know more about the law, argue the law and stand up against more government corruption — in court, in protests, in life and are consistent in what they believe — more than anyone else i know personally (and i’ve met the local “rs” here in philly) and they do it giving up their land, money, and time. but i live in philly so to see that is a blessing.
That’s all well and good that we all know some nice democrats and libertarians, but it doesn’t change what those two posts just explained.
Here is the formal libertarian position on immigration.
COMPLETE PLATFORM TEXT
INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS AND CIVIL ORDER
IMMIGRATION:
“”THE ISSUE: We welcome all refugees to our country and condemn the efforts of U.S. officials to create a new “Berlin Wall” which would keep them captive. We condemn the U.S. government’s policy of barring those refugees from our country and preventing Americans from assisting their passage to help them escape tyranny or improve their economic prospects.
THE PRINCIPLE: We hold that human rights should not be denied or abridged on the basis of nationality. Undocumented non-citizens should not be denied the fundamental freedom to labor and to move about unmolested. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age or sexual preference. We oppose government welfare and resettlement payments to non-citizens just as we oppose government welfare payments to all other persons.
SOLUTIONS: We condemn massive roundups of Hispanic Americans and others by the federal government in its hunt for individuals not possessing required government documents. We strongly oppose all measures that punish employers who hire undocumented workers. Such measures repress free enterprise, harass workers, and systematically discourage employers from hiring Hispanics.
TRANSITIONAL ACTION: We call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally.””
sorry your doing L party i’m doing people. are you registered Republican? can i blame you for all the pubbie stuff. including the George W and his goldman saks crap. he couldn’t pick any else to head up treasury? come on. Reagan had a california crowd at least.
party not the actual people i know.
No I’m not a republican, I have no idea what your complaint about Reagan is and the libertarian party is the ideal, individual libertarians measure their purity or lack of it, by how closely they align with it’s positions of libertarian purity.
Libertarians are to the left of conservatives on social issues and national defense, Rand Paul is to the right of most libertarians so far, and yet you seem to agree that he is liberal.
He sure isn’t a conservative.
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