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1 posted on 06/13/2014 12:01:49 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: blueyon; KitJ; T Minus Four; xzins; CMS; The Sailor; ab01; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; Defender2; ...

V A ping.


2 posted on 06/13/2014 12:02:29 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Resist in place.)
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To: Jet Jaguar
They afraid that vets will actually get care after all these decades and push for the dismantling of the government behemoths?
3 posted on 06/13/2014 12:35:44 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Jet Jaguar

Geez, you wouldn’t actually want these guys to get actual, effective health care. It might make the government look worse, if that is possible.


5 posted on 06/13/2014 1:01:23 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Jet Jaguar

The purpose of the VA is not and never has been to provide healthcare. It is to provide gummint jobs.


6 posted on 06/13/2014 1:02:10 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

If it’s too hard, how about a swap. Move veterans into private care, and politicians/government employees into the VA system.

It’s probably the best way to get the VA cleaned up, truthfully.


8 posted on 06/13/2014 1:06:06 AM PDT by Nickname
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I think as a 2 time Iraqi Vet, VA care should be means tested to lessen the burden on the system. I had a job when I got back from both my tours so I shouldn’t have been offered any medical care


10 posted on 06/13/2014 2:10:41 AM PDT by ac-rep
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To: Jet Jaguar

The VA has been contracting with nursing homes for several decades with no major issues. The nursing homes are more than willing because they get a higher payment.


11 posted on 06/13/2014 2:25:41 AM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: Jet Jaguar
I am a retired military officer and veteran. I am appalled at the callous way Obama has treated veterans. I have dealt with the VA myself, and it is a massive bureaucracy that treats you like a number worse than than anything I have ever seen. But I actually fear that the focus on the VA scandal will only hasten this nation to a single medical system for ALL Americans even quicker than was planned.

I won't say single "payer" because in the system the Democrats want, a majority of those would not pay, or hardly pay, for their medical care. They would not even pay their "fair share." It would simply be the Soviet and Cuban system - very good medical care for the connected and the elite, and horrible medical care for almost everyone else.


12 posted on 06/13/2014 2:37:55 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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More bull CRAP from A-Holes,just put the politicians in the VA,and put the vets in the politicians health care program,there problem fixed.
We don’t need more stinking worthless laws for incompetents to break


14 posted on 06/13/2014 3:14:25 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: Jet Jaguar

I agree.

The VA provides care that is specific to veterans on a regular basis that a civilian hospital can’t.

My VA is much better equipped to deal with my spinal cord injury, and the prosthetics, physical therapy and other related issues, than any civilian hospital can do.


15 posted on 06/13/2014 3:51:45 AM PDT by airborne (My heroes don't wear capes - My heroes wear dog tags!)
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Gallup just released a poll on the VA scandals. 11% say the solution is to “Fire all employees of VA”, which is much higher than I might have guessed.


17 posted on 06/13/2014 4:14:06 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Jet Jaguar

——fully integrated health care system-——

The full integration is the problem

There is healthcare and then there is healthcare. Much of the need is not so specific as to require the special war wound, recuperation, treatment etc the VA can provide. It is the ordinary stuff that can be vouchered thus taking the pressure off the VA special knowledge and services.

The bugaboo is of course, separating the two


20 posted on 06/13/2014 4:38:05 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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Military Waste and Fraud Continue In the Middle of the Government Shutdown HERE IS YOUR PROBLEM : PALM GREASING

Washington’s Blog
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/10/wasted-military.html

http://www.reuters.com/investigates/pentagon/#article/part1


24 posted on 06/13/2014 5:47:56 AM PDT by GailA (IF you fail to keep your promisesI to the Military, you won't keep them to Citizens!)
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When people start shaking off the skull block that is the “wait-time” issue...

We will definitely see how deep the rabbit hole goes...It goes way beyond the lackluster enrollment process, the initial care assessments, what the caregivers can and cannot do at the behest and permission of the non-doctor “desk jockeys” in that government organization...

I simply know that in the time that I was beginning to look at options for a career in High School, back in the late 70’s...

I learned that from people who are Veterans told me that the VA was something you did not want to be around...If it was true back then, why should anyone be surprised that it came to a semi-critical mass during this administration and current political makeup??? Couple that with a citizenry so distracted and with less virtue and loyalty to its very country, why should we expect ANYTHING TO BE DONE ABOUT THIS ANYTIME SOON???

Smoke and mirrors folks...Pay no attention to the man behind that curtain...

We have had our chance to correct this situation for decades, and those responsible have failed, our citizenry has failed in electing people of virtue to correct this and MANY other issues that do need addressing...And they have failed...

The reality is this...The propaganda machine has created a narrative that has replaced news and commentary for the foreseeable future...We cannot politically defeat that aspect anytime soon...We will have to gut out the last 2.5 years of the nonsense that this administration is leading us down...And even if we do manage to get back the Senate, and eventually that White House...

You can bet a dollar to a donut hole that the corrective measures necessary to restore national pride, loyalty, and overall virtue this country used to stand for, will be fought tooth and nail by the opposition and cowed to by the majority...If we manage to snake the majority from these destructive politicos and the pseudo-conservative some send to represent them...

So, if this doesn’t manage to make any impact on anyone’s decision on what YOU send to represent you, then I do not know what will...

November gives us a chance to make a small course change and keep us from hitting that iceberg “dead ahead”...Maybe this will give us time to be ready in 2 years to really put the right kind of pressure on both sides of the political spectrum to poop or get off the pot, or get the hell out of our way, we are DONE with you...

And be very unapologetic about that position!!!

I do not believe I am alone in this evaluation...The sentiments are probably very similar (socially) to the political atmosphere when this experiment was started about 238 years ago...

We may have to experience a re-birth of those founding principles we have forgotten about...And think we know what they truly meant...They have to apply today as well as when it did at the beginning...

Until we start lopping off more of the Cantor’s, the Boehner’s, the Cornyn’s, McConnell’s, Graham’s, Pelosi’s, Reid’s etc etc etc, pick your poison...It can certainly get worse, but there is a lot that could be improved and make it easier to flush the lot of these current occupiers or lofty titles and leather seats...

Until we accept that we (all of us) have failed to be able to be effective in our ability to at least remind these wayward citizens that they exist up there at OUR tolerance, they will fight back against us, if our realistic expectations are not very well received, politically, or socially...

Just remember, when McCarthy is crammed down our throats as the new Majority leader...Just remember, he has a history of being exactly what the problem is for this country...

It all starts with phone calls, emails, make sure you attend local town hall meetings, be prepared to ask the tough questions, expect to be ignored, boo’d, harassed, ostracized...Be unapologetic in your endeavors...First and foremost...

238 years ago, those old fogy, wig-wearing white guys, had some very interesting debates, it got nasty, but at the end of the day, they tossed back a few pints in the pubs down the street together...Put aside those differences and came up with some pretty neat stuff back then...

then they went home to their families knowing that when they succeeded, that a big fight was coming, so they sat down and made musket balls...

That outcome is far from a reality, but the process is the same...

You have to ask yourself this gut-check question, and I have presented it here for years...It is a rhetorical question, not requiring one to be responded to in a publically monitored discussion website like this...We have to be smarter than to advertise our individual intentions...

“What are YOU prepared to do about it, and what are YOU prepared to sacrifice for those goals?”

/rant


25 posted on 06/13/2014 7:21:43 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (Will work for a new Kidney...)
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