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ISIS's Secret Allies
The Daily Beast ^ | 13 Jun 14 | Jacob Siegel

Posted on 06/13/2014 8:52:57 PM PDT by xzins

All eyes have been on ISIS as the jihadist group, in a matter of days, cut Iraq in half and declared its own state in the cities it captured. With fewer than 10,000 fighters ISIS forced the retreat of the better-armed Iraqi army forces many times its size. Their incredible success on the battlefield has fed into a growing lore about the group: the small band of fanatics that can take down a country. The truth is more basic and it's something ISIS doesn't want to admit--they weren't acting alone.

It wasn't having God on their side that let ISIS conquer Mosul and Tikrit with hardly a fight, analysts say. It was the other Sunni insurgent groups that were there alongside them, unacknowledged partners in the coalition. Those groups have deep organizational roots and were instrumental in the takeover but have been largely overshadowed by ISIS.

The standoff in Iraq isn't between a single militant group and the government. There is a broad coalition of Sunni groups--both nationalist and Islamist--who had been plotting against Iraq's Shia government for years before ISIS's rise provided the chance to strike. ISIS and its partners are unnatural allies. Maintaining their unity was the key to their early success, and is the only way they can hold the ground they have taken, but that incentive may prove to be weaker than the force of their natural hostilities.

"ISIS control in Mosul is contingent on political alliances they have made with the Baathists and the tribal groups," said Brian Fishman, a fellow at the New America Foundation, who has been following ISIS since the group's early days during the Iraq war.

"This alliance marching on Baghdad is not a natural one," Fishman added. "We can understand how it was put together in opposition to the government but what exactly is holding it together, and how sturdy it is, is an open question," he said.

The anonymity of the non-ISIS members in the anti-government faction wasn't by choice. Some have used social media to broadcast their war exploits and document their control of conquered territories. It could be an early sign of fissures in the coalition that beat back Baghdad's army.

If the rebel groups begin fighting against ISIS and each other, even as they remain at war with the government, it could lead to something like Syria's war of all against all. Iraq may not descend into the kind of protracted conflict that has ground up Syria and its people, but the days ahead will invariably be filled with bloodshed.

Hassan Hassan, an analyst at the Delma institute in Abu Dhabi, was one of the first observers to point out ISIS reliance on cooperation with Iraqi insurgent groups.

"Non-ISIS groups played a central role in the takeover," Hassan said.

Tactical details from the past week's offensive are hard to come by. But Hassan says the groups that cooperated with ISIS include: "The Sufi-Baathist militia known as the Army of the Men of the Naqshbandi Order, which has former members of the Iraqi army during Saddam Hussein's reign. The Al Qaeda-originated Ansar al-Islam, and provisional tribal councils, many of the which are actually front groups for the Naqshbandis," according to Hassan.

The coalition seemed--initially, at least--to have tempered ISIS' severe approach to governance, which traditionally relied on public execution as a staple of justice.

"The involvement of these groups can be felt through the way the fighters treated the local population fairly well, compared to the usual notoriously brutal behavior of ISIS," Hassan said.

It's a point echoed by Fishman. "There has been genuine learning from this organization about how to interface with populations," Fishman said, referring to ISIS' experiences in Iraq and the areas it currently controls in Syria.

Because Mosul fell so quickly, with little fighting from the Iraqi army, the city appears to have been relatively unscathed by the assault that wrested it from government control. With ISIS and other anti-government insurgent factions long entrenched in Mosul they seem to have been able to quickly restore some basic services in the city. One photo captured by Middle East scholar Aymenn al-Tamimi, who collects tweets from Iraqi insurgent groups including ISIS, shows garbage trucks collecting trash in eastern Mosul on Thursday.

For all its genuine learning and operational acuity, ISIS' conception of itself as the embodiment of God's will is hard to reconcile with practical compromise.

The relative moderation evidenced early on may be necessary to maintain the population's support and preserve the coalition, but ISIS has begun to impose its fundamentalist approach.

Already, the group has declared itself the sole authority in Mosul and released a set of religious laws for the people of Nineveh province. The laws laid out are no one's idea of moderate:

•For women, dress decently and wear wide clothes. Only go out if needed. •Our position on Shrines and graves is clear. All to be destroyed basically. •Gatherings, carrying flags (other than that of Islamic State) and carrying guns is not allowed. God ordered us to stay united. •For the police, soldiers and other Kafir institutions, you can repent. We opened special places that will allow you to repent. •No drugs, no alcohol and no cigarettes allowed.

There are more rules on the list, but that gives a pretty good sense of their severity.

Hassan, who has been observing ISIS said, "It is expected that ISIS would try to impose itself, considering that it brands itself as a state and that it alone has the legitimacy to rule."

"The group's propensity for imposing its will regardless of the consequences will likely lead to confrontation and clashes with other groups," he said. "The offensive was planned together but that does not mean the old rivalries will not come up again. It is very likely that rivalry will lead to clashes."


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1 posted on 06/13/2014 8:52:57 PM PDT by xzins
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There is a broad coalition of Sunni groups--both nationalist and Islamist--who had been plotting against Iraq's Shia government for years before ISIS's rise provided the chance to strike. ISIS and its partners are unnatural allies. Maintaining their unity was the key to their early success, and is the only way they can hold the ground they have taken,

Basically, they're being supported by Iraqi Sunni groups.

2 posted on 06/13/2014 8:53:40 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

Interesting that the Sunni Saudi Arabian government doesn’t get mentioned.


3 posted on 06/13/2014 8:55:38 PM PDT by Little Pig
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To: xzins

I’ve got one secret ally of theirs

O-B-A-M-A


4 posted on 06/13/2014 8:57:50 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: xzins
ISIS's Secret Allies

Obama administration?

5 posted on 06/13/2014 8:58:42 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: xzins

Just saw a Video Clip on O’Reilly. Looks like ISIS has captured an M-1 Tank and some Bradley Armored Personnel Carriers.

Would someone please tell me why we are allowing our “Iraqi Army” Modern Military Equipment to fall in to the hands of Murdering Terrorists?


6 posted on 06/13/2014 8:59:10 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (THEY LIVE, and we're the only ones wearing the Sunglasses...)
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To: Little Pig
Interesting that the Sunni Saudi Arabian government doesn’t get mentioned.

Look, you don't criticize a country when your leader bows down to that country's leader. It just isn't done.

7 posted on 06/13/2014 8:59:44 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Kickass Conservative

In the past we used to give lesser versions of our tanks, fighters, etc., to other countries. They would never get the latest versions. Against their own people, they are deadly, of course, but our own A10 and Javelin can kill them pretty quickly.


8 posted on 06/13/2014 9:01:52 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

“but our own A10 and Javelin can kill them pretty quickly”

Do you mean the A-10 the Air Force just killed?


9 posted on 06/13/2014 9:04:43 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: doc1019

I have long written here on FR that those 3 people cannot get along and will war against each other. The Brits weren’t real smart after WWI about the way they broke up the Ottoman Empire.

The Brits absolutely ignored the Kurds and it’s been a problem ever since. Iraq is not an ancient country. It was arbitrarily patched together by British politicians after WWI ignoring people groups.


10 posted on 06/13/2014 9:06:57 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Viennacon
Here's another...

11 posted on 06/13/2014 9:08:41 PM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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To: Lurker

Yep. It’s a beast in a tank war.

They make a terrible mistake ending the A-10. I hear the Army wants it. They’ll be ignored, because to give it to the Army upsets their dumb compromise giving every service EXCEPT the Army, the guys dying on the ground, its own air force.


12 posted on 06/13/2014 9:09:05 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Kickass Conservative
Because Obama needs a few days to "consider options" ensure they're well armed.
13 posted on 06/13/2014 9:10:22 PM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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To: xzins

Well, Congress just cut funding for the A-10 Fleet, so it looks like our Ruling Class Politicians just shot our Country in the foot again.


14 posted on 06/13/2014 9:10:24 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (THEY LIVE, and we're the only ones wearing the Sunglasses...)
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To: xzins

15 posted on 06/13/2014 9:13:17 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: xzins

Is Obongobongo Shia or Sunni?


16 posted on 06/13/2014 9:14:31 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Fresh Wind

Sunni


17 posted on 06/13/2014 9:16:13 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: combat_boots

Ahh, that explains a lot. Thanks.


18 posted on 06/13/2014 9:41:18 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Fresh Wind

Iran is Shia = they heavily influenced the government of Iraq formation as the US military exited Iraq 2 1/2 years ago. Corrupt Iraqi Prime Minister Maliki is Shia.

Saudi Arabia is Sunni. Kenya is Sunni - Obama’s father and step father were Sunni. Sunni oppose the Syrian government too.

Iran will weigh in after the Sunni ISIS runs wild for a while and kills/beheads etc as muslims love to do in jihad. The Iranian head of Quds, Suelemani, has been in Baghdad this week. Remember his name. After the Sunni terrorists finish their deadly run through Iraq, the Iranians will strike back.

Both Sunni and Shia in Iraq have US manufactured anti-aircraft missiles, which is why the US is completely on the sidelines. About the only thing the US can do is send a cruise missile into a tent to blow up a camel in Iraq.

The US military completely exited in Dec 2011. The US embassy staff and all American contractors need to evacuate immediately.


19 posted on 06/13/2014 9:42:11 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: FlyingEagle

Doesn’t mean that Alibama couldn’t be serving the greater good of Allah through helping create the needed environment to usher in the Caliphate that might transcend their sectarian issues; additionally to weaken the US and Israel and further the NWO/Globalist goals. Doesn’t Alibama fit the Shia myth of playing the part of a John the Baptist or Elijah to their Mahdi? A tall black man from Africa who ruled from a far from the islands or coastlands who would bring about the right conditions for their Mahdi. I remember hearing about this way back in ‘08 and I could be wrong because I don’t know Farsi but that Obama phonetically sounds like the words for ‘he is with us’?
For thought ——


20 posted on 06/13/2014 9:55:24 PM PDT by Sheapdog (Chew the meat, spit out the bones - FUBO - Come and get me)
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To: Viennacon

Most Indonesian muzzies are Sunnis, so I’ll guess he attended a Sunni madrissa. He’s definitely in the bag with the Saudis. Recall he almost bumped his head one-to-one to them.
Irony is, he’s helped Iran do what they could not do when the Ba’athists were in power: Iran’s special forces are moving about freely in the northwest of Iraq.
Good old Barry, always screwing things up, even for his Wahhabi overlords now that the Shiites are involved. Another dazzling foreign policy disaster for the Won. If there’s a way in any given situation to screw the pooch, Obama & Co. find it.


21 posted on 06/13/2014 9:56:01 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: Sheapdog

Remember - Jarrett was born in Tehran.

This is a huge mess, and many people are going to be killed and injured.


22 posted on 06/13/2014 10:03:33 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: Lurker

I think the A-10 has gotten a reprieve for a year. I know it’s not much but we are working on keeping it in use and not on the scrap heap.


23 posted on 06/13/2014 10:34:18 PM PDT by lulu16 (May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
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To: xzins

So, who’s side are we on—the side of the Eyeranian-Syrian-North-Korean-Russian-Chinese coalition (Shiite) or the side of the Saudis, Kurds, Afghans, Africans, Indonesians and Pakis (Sunni)?

Let’s just get all gooshy and friendly and be on both sides. Maybe they’ll all fight so effectively, that both sides will win. Why aren’t our leaders sending more weapons to ‘em?


24 posted on 06/13/2014 10:56:33 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: lulu16

Good luck! No sarcasm intended.


25 posted on 06/13/2014 11:00:15 PM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: Lurker
"Do you mean the A-10 the Air Force just killed?"

We got rid of 'em all, just like we got ride of all of the B-1s and nukes. No F-22s, and the F-35s are all junk. And the ABM defense systems don't work! We're defenseless!

[Load of irony and humor there.]

Politicians, have our U.S. forces nuke Eyeran, and give credit for the deed to Italy.


26 posted on 06/13/2014 11:16:30 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: xzins

Barack Obama is one.


27 posted on 06/13/2014 11:26:03 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: meatloaf

Thank-you. Strangely enough our senators MCCain and Flake seem indifferent to the plight of our best support aircraft, but our democratic representative and Kelly Ayotte seem to in the court of at least keeping the A10 at least until there is something to replace it.


28 posted on 06/13/2014 11:33:30 PM PDT by lulu16 (May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
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To: xzins
Four horsemen;

The first is conquest;

The second is war;

The third is famine;

And the forth is death.

We've had the first of four Blood Moons, are we seeing any conquests suddenly happening around the world?

29 posted on 06/13/2014 11:55:02 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: xzins

... You would think that with ISIS on a route pushing south on any of the MSR’s .... they are a big enough target on the ground of a featureless desert to pave the MSR into a red highway of death with the help of airborne units raining hellfire upon them. But then again maybe their testosterone mandates that they only fight ground battles and hand to hand combat to qualify for entry into paradise or something. Something us westerners wouldn’t understand.


30 posted on 06/14/2014 12:28:42 AM PDT by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")
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To: fella

When are the next three blood moons scheduled, again?


31 posted on 06/14/2014 12:36:28 AM PDT by txhurl (2014: Stunned Voters do Stunning Things!)
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To: xzins

No guns, no tobacco? Bloomberg?


32 posted on 06/14/2014 2:22:47 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: xzins
Basically, they're being supported by Iraqi Sunni groups.

Whoever they defer to as being in command is the defacto leader - until such time as the various "support groups" decide that it's time for their specific interests to be taken care of. It could turn into an even bigger mess.

33 posted on 06/14/2014 3:42:12 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: xzins

How much did the element of surprise contribute to the failure of the Iraqi military in the first few days??


34 posted on 06/14/2014 4:53:45 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: xzins
The question I have in all of this is who's funding these militants? In the photos they have similar late model trucks, guns, uniforms after a fashion, ammo, supplies, RPG's. War is expensive, even guerilla war. Who is paying for all of this? That's what I want to know.

And I suspect it's the Saudis, the Russians or the Chinese. Who else has the money, and who else would benefit?

And Zero and his team probably aren't smart enough to ask that very simple question.

35 posted on 06/14/2014 4:57:28 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Please excuse the potholes in this tagline. Social programs have to take priority in our funding.)
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To: elpadre

In my opinion, they weren’t surprised. They were Sunni forces and they supported ISIS, so they threw down their weapons. Maliki has systematically been purging Sunnis from the government. His Shi’ites will begin to fight when the Sunni army closes in on Sunni territory.

Iraq will then have a 3 part dividing: Kurdish, Sunni, and Shia regions of the country.


36 posted on 06/14/2014 4:58:17 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Hardastarboard

I would bet it’s the Saudi princes.

Since they originated in the Syrian war, then the US and Europeans probably issued them their original weapons.


37 posted on 06/14/2014 5:00:09 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: txhurl

October.


38 posted on 06/14/2014 5:39:07 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: xzins

My husband basically says the same thing that you do. Britain carved the countries up wrong.


39 posted on 06/14/2014 6:37:40 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: xzins

Although there was a hint in the article, the territory now controlled extends from what was once Syria into what was once Iraq.

The artificial lines between Syria and Iraq established by British and French diplomats have been erased.

The Sunni tribal areas are united and restored


40 posted on 06/14/2014 6:46:15 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: xzins; Fitzy_888

“I have long written here on FR that those 3 people cannot get along and will war against each other. The Brits weren’t real smart after WWI about the way they broke up the Ottoman Empire.”

xzins, this interesting history was provided by fitzy_888 this week to back what you have been posting for a long time re the Sunnis and Shites:

Why the Sunnis and Shites hate and kill each other, courtesy of Fitzy_888 :

This blood feud dates from the beginning of Islam, a tribe that would later be Sunni’s from Syria beheaded Mohammed’s grandson (the Mohammed) and brought his head to Damascus as a trophy. Sunni’s broke the blood line of the prophet, this is why zealous Shiites will kill Syrian Sunni’s with zeal. It dates back to the four caliph, under the fourth successor to Mohammed, Mohammed’s cousin...also his son-in-law. Mohammed’s cousin married Mohammed’s daughter Fatima, their son and heir to the Islamic caliphate was killed by a tribe from present day Syria who would later identify as Sunni.

Iran having a Shiite majority already has military forces fighting ISIS (Sunni) in Syria along side their
proxy Hezzbulah.


41 posted on 06/14/2014 7:11:34 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obozo, the WonDoer, will not divert resources from his war on Americans to help our Veterans!)
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To: Little Pig

“Interesting that the Sunni Saudi Arabian government doesn’t get mentioned.”

The Opecker Princes aka Sunnis have owned Carter and Clinton for decades and the green eco terrorists who hate America.

Now one of their own Sunnis is our Potus.


42 posted on 06/14/2014 7:14:30 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obozo, the WonDoer, will not divert resources from his war on Americans to help our Veterans!)
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To: Ray76

How can McCain be for bombing the ISIS terrorist when they came from Syria where they were his Freedom Fighter friends? But we are talking about John McCain. Rationality does not apply.


43 posted on 06/14/2014 7:18:21 AM PDT by McGruff (I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it.)
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To: KosmicKitty; bert

The 3 major people groups are Kurds, Sunnis, and Shias. The Assyrian Christians are a 3rd, but their numbers are so small that any homeland they might dream of will be a “better city whose builder and maker is God.”

The Brits did a terrible job after WWI. The Kurds will not back down. They’ve been persecuted too long not to seize this opportunity.


44 posted on 06/14/2014 7:30:34 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Grampa Dave

Ping to #44.

I agree with your post, Grampa Dave. The enmity between Sunni and Shiite goes all the way back to the early days of Islam.


45 posted on 06/14/2014 7:33:21 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins
ISIS Terror Leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi Was Released By Obama from Camp Bucca in 2009
46 posted on 06/14/2014 7:33:53 AM PDT by McGruff (ISIS Terror Leader Was Released By Obama from Camp Bucca in 2009)
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To: Kickass Conservative

Although I certainly agree that nobama is muslim, from what we can see he is more aligned with the shites and Iran.

He may have indeed given a wink and nod to these ISIS folks, but with the endgame thinking it will give Iran an excuse to invade and conquer Iraq.

Regardless, its mighty sweet to see them doing a great job of massacring one another. Keep up the good work!


47 posted on 06/14/2014 8:00:07 AM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: McGruff

“How can McCain be for bombing the ISIS terrorist when they came from Syria where they were his Freedom Fighter friends? But we are talking about John McCain. Rationality does not apply.”

Isn’t it amazing that ABCNNBCBS, the Compost, NY and LA Slimes and other left wing mediots haven’t pointed the savages McAinal was with and praising are the same animals beheading Iraqis?


48 posted on 06/14/2014 8:18:42 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obozo, the Sunni WonDoer, will not divert $'s from his war on Americans to help our Veterans!)
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To: McGruff

Well that about says it all. Obama released the ISIS leader who now is launching an Islamist Caliphate right before our eyes in the country we spent may thousand lives to quell.

The Press will not be able to shield him from this when more brave Americans return from Iraq in body bags trying to turn back the new Islamist Government that has risen from the choices directly made by Obama.


49 posted on 06/14/2014 11:24:38 AM PDT by R0CK3T
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To: xzins

“Iraq will then have a 3 part dividing: Kurdish, Sunni, and Shia regions of the country.”

So old Joe Biden was right then folks.


50 posted on 06/14/2014 12:49:29 PM PDT by flaglady47 (Oppressors can tyranize only w/a standing army-enslaved press-disarmed populace)
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