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Obama, Don't Get Sucked Into Iraq III
CNN ^ | Sat June 14, 2014 | Aaron David Miller

Posted on 06/15/2014 2:19:11 AM PDT by nickcarraway

The Obama administration likely will succumb to growing pressure to "do something" kinetic and dramatic in Iraq, and when it does, it will most likely be air and missile strikes against ISIS targets. This could relieve the political pressure on the President: His critics continue to blame him for abdicating U.S. leadership in Syria and in Iraq --which now faces the advancing extremist militants of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS).

But answering the political mail in Washington is not the same thing as dealing with, let alone resolving, the complex issues on the ground that have led to this crisis. To do that would require a comprehensive reengagement strategy, even without boots on the ground. And President Barack Obama should not be drawn into a veritable Iraq war III.

Most of Obama's detractors engage in what I call "woulda/coulda/shoulda" criticism. That is to say, if the President had only invested more time and effort in negotiating a status of forces agreement with the government of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, left a residual presence there, enforced his chemical weapons red line in Syria and backed the moderate opposition there, we wouldn't be seeing the ISIS jihadi rampage playing out in both countries.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: iraq; obama; war

1 posted on 06/15/2014 2:19:11 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

I know! Let’s send some war ships into thePersian Gulf.

Of course we’ve already said we’re not going to be sucked in, but what the hey. It makes a nice picture of feeble resolve. It also gives Putin the diversion he needs to overrun Ukraine.


2 posted on 06/15/2014 2:38:44 AM PDT by plangent
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To: plangent

Vladimir loves it when a plan comes together. Obama’s got lots of flexibility for him to exploit.


3 posted on 06/15/2014 2:41:38 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: nickcarraway
If you don't know what to do, for God's sake, don't do it!

Obama clearly has no clue, so we might be better off if he just dithers.


4 posted on 06/15/2014 3:23:39 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nickcarraway

I hate to break it to communist news network, but zero can’t get “suckered into” something he created and is already deeply involved in.


5 posted on 06/15/2014 3:30:50 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: nickcarraway

Of course he won’t. It’s going according to plan.


6 posted on 06/15/2014 3:30:57 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun" - Obama, setting RoE with his opposition)
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To: nathanbedford

I hate to say it, but given the LEADER, I must agree.
There is no correction, once a abortion has been performed.


7 posted on 06/15/2014 3:33:30 AM PDT by BilLies (sharyl attkisson is alive and well HOORAY!!!!!)
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To: Darksheare

I don’t see any “mounting pressure” to do anything anyway.


8 posted on 06/15/2014 3:34:43 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: cripplecreek

“I don’t see any “mounting pressure” to do anything anyway”.

I think Americans, having grown weary of the double dealing and such, are just fine with letting these different factions kill each other. In fact, hope the stay at it for awhile.....


9 posted on 06/15/2014 3:40:13 AM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: nickcarraway

We left that shit hole called Iraq now lets stay out.
I am all for going back to destroy the country, kill ALL of the enemy and then rebuild as we did in Germany and Japan. No more sending limited troops with limited ROE’s and getting Americans killed for NOTHING.............


10 posted on 06/15/2014 3:43:51 AM PDT by 48th SPS
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To: 48th SPS

Exactly.

While Obama deserves plenty of blame for making things worse, the overall mess is rooted in the fact that we haven’t fought to win since the end of WWII.


11 posted on 06/15/2014 3:51:08 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: nickcarraway

And here he is....

http://lettredeparis.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/amanpour17-1024x586.jpg


12 posted on 06/15/2014 3:59:04 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: nickcarraway

...and then there are the parents of dead soldiers now wondering “Why?” Before, maybe they had sort of reason, now there is none. All the blood now belongs to Obama, especially the blood spilled before Obama. It is looking like they died for nothing.


13 posted on 06/15/2014 4:15:11 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag ("There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: cripplecreek

Obama’s just hiking his skirt.


14 posted on 06/15/2014 4:36:23 AM PDT by Ancient Man
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

Bring back the Draft. Have a dedicated War Tax. Spread the sacrifice to ALL Americans and go back and make sure our Troops didn’t die in vain.


15 posted on 06/15/2014 4:44:00 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: cripplecreek

No stomach to fight in Iraq right now,small sample but probably accurate.

http://www.calgarysun.com/poll/given-the-current-situation-in-iraq-should-the-us-become-militarily-involved

Almost 70% say no.


16 posted on 06/15/2014 4:45:33 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: nickcarraway

His critics continue to blame him for abdicating U.S. leadership in Syria and in Iraq —

The guy is POTUS, Iran and Syria and Iraq are loose and spinning out of control...yet it’s bozo’s ‘critics’...


17 posted on 06/15/2014 5:01:05 AM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: nickcarraway

On the one hand I would like nothing better than to see 0bama get sucked into his very own personal Viet Nam. On the other hand, knowing that this clown would lose 100 out of 100 schoolyard “Capture the Flag” exercises, and that American lives are at stake, I have to agree - let’s stay out.


18 posted on 06/15/2014 5:14:21 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Please excuse the potholes in this tagline. Social programs have to take priority in our funding.)
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To: nickcarraway

As far as I’m concerned, soebarkah is at the head of these rabid islamists. Having Abdullah Abdullah as President of the US could hardly be seen much differently.


19 posted on 06/15/2014 5:16:36 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: nickcarraway

Aaron David Miller need not fear. His hero Zero will not be pulled into doing anything worthwhile or noteworthy for integrity.

Instead, Zero will leave America poorer, weaker, and more disdained than when he seized power.


20 posted on 06/15/2014 5:23:26 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: All

I don’t see having more kids die in vain as a remedy for those who already have. We could stay there 100 years and when we left it would revert to the same madness.

Craphole is right. Just like this country is becoming.

No more draft. The government does not own our sons and daughters.


21 posted on 06/15/2014 5:41:04 AM PDT by Valentine Michael Smith (You won't find justice in a Courtroom)
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To: nickcarraway

It will be Iraq II

W’s conquering Baghdad was just a continuation of the original war against Saddam that was continuous for more than 10 years


22 posted on 06/15/2014 5:43:38 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: nickcarraway
Before it's over, Iraq will be controlled by Sharia governed Sunni and Shia muslim extremist with the Kurds defending their northern territory.

The old Persian War will now become an Iraq Civil War, Iran is already sending support to their Shia brothers.

23 posted on 06/15/2014 5:44:48 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: nickcarraway

We should never have gone in. We should never have stayed. We should never go back.


24 posted on 06/15/2014 7:12:44 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: 48th SPS

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/10899712/Iraq-crisis-ISIS-battles-for-Baghdad-live.html

Let the Iraqi’s man up and use the training we gave them, but help them from the air with drones, etc. The Brits offered the SOS for intelligence gathering, and it looked bad yesterday but today the Iraqi s are joining in a push back to ISIS.


25 posted on 06/15/2014 7:16:20 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: nickcarraway

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/10899712/Iraq-crisis-ISIS-battles-for-Baghdad-live.html


26 posted on 06/15/2014 7:16:41 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: nickcarraway

27 posted on 06/15/2014 7:23:02 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

Update...the Iraqi s are joining the fight today against ISIS...Britain offered SOS intelligence help for Iraqi Army on strategic planning and finding ways to defeat ISIS.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/10899712/Iraq-crisis-ISIS-battles-for-Baghdad-live.html

Let’s hope the Bush Military Training will pay off as the Generals are now taking action and have regained control of one of ISIS take overs.


28 posted on 06/15/2014 7:23:42 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: RIghtwardHo

Lovely idea. If looked at in isolation.

But what do you think the longterm and worldwide repercussions of America suffering such a dreadful and complete defeat in its longest war ever will be? Is it reasonable to expect this will tremendously embolden not only Islamists, but also every other nation and group that resents American domination?

The probable result of ISIS taking Baghdad is a massive slaughter of everybody who tried to work with America while we were there. Is national honor well-served by abandoning them to their fate, simply because we’re tired of dealing with Iraq and want to go home?

IOW, are the probable consequences of NOT going back in worse than those of returning?

I don’t know the answer to that question, and I don’t think anybody does, but it is just foolish to think that Iraq is the main or only issue at this point. America’s tottering credibility internationally is a much bigger issue.


29 posted on 06/15/2014 7:51:48 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Wolfie
Bring back the Draft.

30 posted on 06/15/2014 7:57:46 AM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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