Skip to comments.PELOSI WARNS SF BISHOP NOT TO MARCH FOR TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE
Posted on 06/16/2014 2:27:18 AM PDT by kingattax
In an astonishing challenge to traditional Catholic doctrine, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, nominally Catholic, has taken to telling San Francisco Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone that he should not attend the National Organization for Marriages June 19 march on the Supreme Court in Washington D.C.
Cordileone is scheduled to be a featured speaker at the event, according to the San Francisco Chronicle, which is consistent with his championing of Proposition 8 in 2008. Cordileone helped raise $1.5 million for the initiative, which intended to ban same-sex marriage in the state. He once said, "The ultimate attack of the evil one is the attack on marriage."
Pelosi, who called the event venom masquerading as virtue," wrote to Cordileone, "We share our love of the Catholic faith and our city of San Francisco," adding that the event would feature some participants displaying "disdain and hate towards LGBT persons, and asserting, "If someone is gay and is searching for the Lord and has good will, then who am I to judge him?"
The March for Marriage, which was initiated last year, features thousands of people standing up for "traditional marriage" walking from the U.S Capitol to the Supreme Court. Among the speakers are Mike Huckabee and Rick Santorum
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Interesting that they were posted within seconds of each other.
i saw it. :)
It’s going to be interesting to read the Bishop’s response.
When are we going to see some Church discipline for these pro-homosexual, pro-abortion, anti-Holy_Matrimony politicians. We know these politicians are only going to get worse.
I know what the response should be, but the Bishop would not be inclined to use it. I do hope that he gives her the what-for in some other way.
Pelosi is so brazen because the Catholic bishops haven’t disciplined her with ex-communication or other type of censure.
One could see this coming since the Catholic church does nothing when Democrat politicians advocate for abortion, divorce, homosexual marriage and unmarried fornication.
From what I have read so far, the Bishop is not at all shy. I don’t think he’ll bring back the bell, book, and candle — although he might want to.
Whatever it is, I am thinking Pelosi is going to get her ears pinned back severely.
I find it funny that they are the ones who want to change everything and yet it is us who are the cause of division and hatred. I doubt that there would be too many Catholics who hate gay people I am also positive that the reverse is not true - those who support gay marriage absolutely hate the Church and any Catholic that stands by their faith!
Will the Pope please officially excommunicate her??
What a vapid harpy.
Problem is that any kind of a formal censure, to include excommunication, is a legal process.
The only canons she could be really charged with is this:
Can. 1369 A person who in a public show or speech, in published writing, or in other uses of the instruments of social communication utters blasphemy, gravely injures good morals, expresses insults, or excites hatred or contempt against religion or the Church is to be punished with a just penalty.
Can. 1371 The following are to be punished with a just penalty:
1/ in addition to the case mentioned in ⇒ can. 1364, §1, a person who teaches a doctrine condemned by the Roman Pontiff or an ecumenical council or who obstinately rejects the doctrine mentioned in ⇒ can. 750, §2 or in ⇒ can. 752 and who does not retract after having been admonished by the Apostolic See or an ordinary;
2/ a person who otherwise does not obey a legitimate precept or prohibition of the Apostolic See, an ordinary, or a superior and who persists in disobedience after a warning.
Problem is that, for either of those canons, a ecclesiastical trial would be required. Frankly, such a thing would simply embolden her and transform her into a pop-culture martyr. Would such a thing have the effect of bringing her back to the Faith? Hardly.
Having said that, for the sake of other souls that would be confused by her dissimulation, I wish they'd do so. But there would be a HUGE backlash.
“If someone is gay and is searching for the Lord and has good will, then who am I to judge him?”
But to do so Pelosi, they would need to repent their sin as they will surely be judged by God...........
I'd have brought marshmallows.
“If someone is gay and is searching for the Lord and has good will, then who am I to judge him?”
Correct Nancy. Once they find the Lord, they must go and sin no more per Jesus Christ.
The hag should be ex-communicated forthwith for her stands on abortion, gay marriage and now an attack on freedom of speech and religion.
Excommunication, especially a jure, is either latæ or ferendæ sententiæ. The first is incurred as soon as the offence is committed and by reason of the offence itself (eo ipso) without intervention of any ecclesiastical judge; it is recognized in the terms used by the legislator, for instance: “the culprit will be excommunicated at once, by the fact itself [statim, ipso facto]”. The second is indeed foreseen by the law as a penalty, but is inflicted on the culprit only by a judicial sentence; in other words, the delinquent is rather threatened than visited with the penalty, and incurs it only when the judge has summoned him before his tribunal, declared him guilty, and punished him according to the terms of the law. It is recognized when the law contains these or similar words: “under pain of excommunication”; “the culprit will be excommunicated”. Catholic encyclopedia
Certainly a case can and should be made for latæ excommunication. Just as for the rest of the CINOs who PUBLICLY advocate grave sins, i.e. abortion,
Dealing with Pelosi, the Bishop should bring a crucifix and holy water.
She doesn’t need excommunication.. she needs an exorcism.
The future we inherit is constructed of small defining moments. The future of the church will be a result of the deciding moment when the SF Bishop gives his answer...which should mention excommunication. If he caves to her, then Pelosi becomes the defacto leader of the church there. When a Catholic seeks council, s/he will turn to Pelosi instead of the church. Wanna’ bet how he handles it?
Meanwhile, we little people must bow down and pay reverence to Queen Nancy.
How many divisions does the Pope have?
Under what canon?
The definition of heresy is EXTREMELY narrow. The one time I can think of that she broached it, she was resoundingly slapped down by multiple bishops...and hasn't repeated that kind of statement since.
The abortion canon requires the person to actually have an abortion or "procure" an abortion (e.g., perform it or pay for it).
Those are the only two that apply to latæ sententiæ excommunications. The ones I cited above require a trial (i.e., ferendæ sententiæ).
Canon 915 definitely applies. But Canon 915 is not the juridical punishment of excommunication (of course, we will leave aside the fact that the Archbishop of Washington won't even go that far, but that's a different issue altogether).
Pelosi is an expert on "venom masquerading as virtue", because that's what she does all the time.
Now, Pelosi is attacking at least 3 parts of the First Amendment; freedom of speech, freedom of assembly and freedom of religion. Kudos, hat trick for Nancy.
Looks as though Pelosi is in charge of the SF Catholic hierarchy. She is calling the shots.
Lots of discussion on this thread about excommunicating her. I became a Catholic in ‘98 and this is one of the things I see wrong witht the Church. That the do not excommunicate people like this. I do not know if the Church has blinders on or secretly sympathize with those like Pelosi, but they do not seem to realize that - in my opinion - one of the reasons that people leave the Church and other Christians has disdain for the Church - is because people see this and see that the Church does nothing. If the Church cannot defend their beliefs and scripture by getting rid of those who cause disruptions in the rank and file, than what good is the Word?
BTTT! And that's in her public life as an elected Representative sworn to defend the Constitution. Impeachable offense.
As regards to her private nominally 'catholic' faith life ...
If she very publicly demonstrates that she is a reprobate ... you must excommunicate!
Oooooh! Has she drawn a red line yet? Or is that just lipstick on her botoxed face?
Homosexuals are Christ’s “winnowing fork”,
being used to separate the wheat from the chaff.
What’ll it be, Bishop?
You know where the door is, Pelosi.
By and large the Catholic Church’s leadership is to the left of Marx. So I would look for them to fold for Nancy, if they were serious they would throw the witch out of the church same with all democrat/fascists
The issue is not excommunication.
The issue is that giving Communion to Pelosi and other pro-aborts IS A MORTAL SIN.
All but about fifteen American bishops are walking around in the state of mortal sin.
The American bishops have been little but saboteurs when it comes to the pro-life movement. The reason is simple: Some are pro-abortion, like Bernardin. Some are blackmailable, because of their personal depravity, like Wuerl. Some are morons, like Dolan and O’Malley. Almost all are Democrats from the cradle.
Excommunication is a dead letter. Calling for it is barking up an empty tree.
The issue is that giving Communion to Pelosi and people like her IS A MORTAL SIN.
The OFFICIAL policy of the USCCB is that this mortal sin is a “legitimate” option for a bishop. (Catholics in Political Life)
The Mormons are equally guilty in the person of Dingy Harry. By the rules, ol' Harry should have been excommunicated long ago. He's a crook, he's a liar, he uses his office for personal gain, ad nauseum.
I’m not a canon lawyer but I think giving public scandal is cause for excommunication. Advocating abortion, in direct opposition to Catholic teaching, is as much a sin as actually having an abortion.
Go Archbishop Cordileon (Heart of the Lion)!
Nancy has excommunicated herself from the Catholic Church by supporting abortion, same-sex marriage, etc.
Only Pelosi’s bishop can excommunicate her. This may be the straw that does it to her!
Pray for the Archbishop.
But it is worse not to enforce church discipline. For without discipline the church quickly looses it's salt and ineffective.
Given free reign the wolves among us will soon drive the open church out of America. And that is much worse.
I am fully aware. Which is why I specified ‘officially excommunicate’ so as to have the MSM throw a fit and condemn the Church even more but in the process inform the great uninformed Catholic voter.
She’s quoting Pope Francis here—not asserting, as the article says. Good luck with the excommunication hopes.
What’s happened to the separation of representative and priest?