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Consistent gun checks a smart, simple step (barf alert)
Wisconsin State Journal ^ | 16 june 2014

Posted on 06/16/2014 5:08:21 AM PDT by rellimpank

Stopping gun violence is complicated.

Requiring routine background checks before all gun purchases is not.

A check to see if a person can legally purchase a gun is quick and simple. Licensed gun sellers in Wisconsin routinely and responsibly screen buyers to stop more than 1,000 criminals annually from buying weapons.

Yet a glaring loophole allows many gun sellers at gun shows and online to skip this sensible safeguard.

That’s wrong and can’t be justified. Yet it continues — sometimes with deadly consequences — because too many politicians lack the courage to do the right thing.

The National Rifle Association fights consistent gun screenings. Yet the vast majority of the public — as well as most NRA members — favor universal background checks for all gun purchases.

(Excerpt) Read more at host.madison.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: banglist; rkba
--the usual garbage from the Madistan bird cage liner---
1 posted on 06/16/2014 5:08:21 AM PDT by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank

So they are still going after private sales eh


2 posted on 06/16/2014 5:12:06 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: rellimpank
...as well as most NRA members...

When did the communist libs start speaking for "most NRA members"?

3 posted on 06/16/2014 5:12:44 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: rellimpank

Here’s an idea, if the current background checks aren’t working then lets do away with them.

Save the money for mental health treatment.


4 posted on 06/16/2014 5:13:23 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: rellimpank

A glaring loophole allows allows people to meet and exchange drugs for money, which could be prevented by requiring police presence at all gatherings of two or more people. Another glaring loophole allows people to publish whatever they want (subject to only a few restrictions) without first obtaining government approval for the material.


5 posted on 06/16/2014 5:16:12 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: rellimpank

Why is the SERIAL NUMBER and MODEL NUMBER needed for a background check? It seems to me that you should ONLY check the person and be done with it. Nothing is gained with serial and model numbers,UNLESS someone is trying to build up a database for later confiscation (which, of course, our government denies they want to do)


6 posted on 06/16/2014 5:17:02 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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To: rellimpank

“to stop more than 1,000 criminals annually from buying weapons.”

1. False — if the preamble is even accurate, it only stopped them from buying firearms legally. Illegal firearms, knives, cars still easily obtained.

2. And what was done to the 1,000 “criminals”? How many were arrested? Prosecuted? Convicted/Jailed? Probation/parole revoked? Can we guess few or none? Maybe start with enforcing laws that exist.


7 posted on 06/16/2014 5:21:45 AM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: rellimpank
Remember when Gabby Gifford's husband tried to but a gun with a falsified application?

See: http://theweek.com/article/index/241866/why-gabby-giffords-husband-tried-mdash-and-failed-mdash-to-buy-a-gun#axzz34nu43grv

I have not heard of any subsequent prosecution for filing a false affidavit!
8 posted on 06/16/2014 5:22:56 AM PDT by leprechaun9
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To: rellimpank
... sensible ...

Every time I see "common sence" and "sensible" in relation to firearms I know that the author is a full blown statist, freedom hating, government worshiping, bed wetting, anti-gun fanatic. Anti-gunners don't believe in limited government. They worship government and limiting its powers is the equivalent of blasphemy to them.

Anti gunners cannot be bargained with - they have nothing to offer. They cannot be reasoned with - their hatred of guns outside the hands of the government's JBTs is NOT based on reason, but on their faith in government; it's a religious thing with them not a reasoned position.

Anti-gunners don't feel pity - your family killed by home invaders because you were disarmed? Not a problem as long as no police were hurt.

Anti-gunners don't feel remorse. To the contrary, when they've managed to pass a restriction on our rights they feel briefly elation, but then like a serial murderer the high passes and they look for the next incremental step to enslaving us.

Anti-gunners don't feel fear because they have nothing to fear. If their legislation doesn't pass, so what? They haven't lost anything. In fact if all gun control were rescinded today they wouldn't have lost anything. And since we gun owners are law abiding, they don't have to fear getting their doors kicked in in the night and being killed for their beliefs, unlike what they'd like their JBTs to do to us.

And finally they never quit. They're constantly working to destroy our rights and enslave us. You can't appease them they're relentless. There are only three possible end states

  1. They win and our rights are stripped and we are slave of the totalitarian police state that they tireless work to achieve
  2. We are killed by their JBTs "resisting arrest"
  3. We kill enough of them and their goons that the problem is put off for a generation or so. (this was the 1776 solution)

9 posted on 06/16/2014 5:27:11 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: rellimpank

They use “gun show loophole” like Democrats and GOPe uses “immigration reform” for Amnesty.

Once broken down into the real components, neither are true.


10 posted on 06/16/2014 5:28:54 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: from occupied ga

Great synopsis of the situation, especially for a Monday morning.


11 posted on 06/16/2014 5:30:49 AM PDT by chrisser (Senseless legislation does nothing to solve senseless violence.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

—ping—


12 posted on 06/16/2014 5:34:57 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: rellimpank
Consistent gun checks a smart, simple step (barf alert)

Let's have a chat after an ID is required to vote in any election in the US.

13 posted on 06/16/2014 5:39:05 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: rellimpank

Liberals label all their ideas “smart” because otherwise you wouldn’t know it.


14 posted on 06/16/2014 5:43:00 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: coloradan

Haha, their argument doesn’t stand up with what’s near and dear to them..


15 posted on 06/16/2014 5:46:34 AM PDT by jughandle
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To: rellimpank
Here's an idea: a hard-to-remove RFID surgically-implanted in convicted felons as a condition of parole, which can identify him as a felon to any police officer at a distance.

Any police officer coming upon such a felon having the right to search the felon for weapons. Any two felons found in each other's company are immediately arrested for parole violation.

16 posted on 06/16/2014 5:54:39 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: chrisser
Great synopsis of the situation, especially for a Monday morning.

Thankx!

17 posted on 06/16/2014 6:12:30 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: TurboZamboni
build up a database for later confiscation (which, of course, our government denies they want to do)

In 1976 New Yorkers were required to register their "semiautomatic rifles" With the promise* that the registration list would NEVER be used for confiscation. Fast forward to the '90s and David Dinkins. Semiautos were declared "contraband" Love that word - means that the government's goons can have it but you can't - and guess what? NYers were given something like three months to 1 prove that they got rid of them, turn theom over to police, prove that they were rendered inoperable, of face confiscation. about a dozen of the 1800 or so owners chose to ignore the law and thanks to the registrations lists, those ever heroic defenders of liberty, the NYC police came and arrested those who hadn't complied (7 or 8 some of the dozen were paperwork errors) and CONFISCATED THEIR firearms. Stroke of the pen instant criminal "kinda cool" < /sarcasm>

Seven or eight doesn't sound like all that many, but ONE would be too many.

*Politicians promises - only a Statist or a New Yorker would believe them.

18 posted on 06/16/2014 6:23:21 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: TurboZamboni

Have you bought a gun lately?

The ATF Form 4473 question 27 and 28 already asks for model and serial number.


19 posted on 06/16/2014 6:32:36 AM PDT by fulltlt
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To: coloradan

They are working on it. One piece at a time.....


20 posted on 06/16/2014 6:32:51 AM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, deport all illegal aliens, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: fulltlt
The ATF Form 4473 question 27 and 28 already asks for model and serial number.

The 4473s are kept at the dealer (supposedly anyway) and not entered into any central database.

21 posted on 06/16/2014 6:42:32 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga
they don't have to fear getting their doors kicked in in the night and being killed for their beliefs,

Yet.

22 posted on 06/16/2014 6:55:04 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Only Liberals can look at an amendment that says "shall not be infringed" and see blank parchment.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Yet.

True, but that is a hard moral choice to make. Tim McVeigh made it, and most people don't view him as a hero.

23 posted on 06/16/2014 7:25:42 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: rellimpank
As a newspaper that is protected by the First Amendment, calling for restrictions in violation of the Second Amendment for a "smart, simple step" to reduce shocking gun violence causes me to suggest that the Wisconsin State Journal would be for smart, simple restrictions that can be placed on the press (TV, radio, newspaper, magazines, and so forth) and on burial facilities (including churches) to help reduce gun violence. They are:

After all, isn't the pen mightier than the sword?

24 posted on 06/16/2014 8:15:04 AM PDT by asinclair (Political hot air is a renewable energy resource)
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To: from occupied ga

True enough. All I’m saying is that if they keep pushing, there will be push back. Not by me but...there are a lot of unbalanced people out there who can’t stand Liberals.


25 posted on 06/16/2014 8:19:56 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Only Liberals can look at an amendment that says "shall not be infringed" and see blank parchment.)
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To: asinclair
•Reporters, editors, anchors, columnists, and news show producers shall be fingerprinted, background checks performed, and be required to pay for a registration card, renewed every two years

I like it, BUT much too logical. Gun control isn't based on logic, but rather the worship of government power. To anti-gunners (like most of the MSM) we aren't just people with a different opinion, an opinion that is BTW enshrined in the Bill of Rights, but we're blasphemers for wanting to keep power out of the hands of government - blasphemers who should be punished.

26 posted on 06/16/2014 9:25:56 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga
The 4473s are kept at the dealer (supposedly anyway) and not entered into any central database.

They are turned over to the BATF when the dealer closes shop. Also, there's been multiple reports of the BATF coming into "examine the books" and photocopying the store's forms.

27 posted on 06/16/2014 11:23:11 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Oatka

That’s why I said “supposedly,” but the difference is that they weren’t designed to be a central database. The so-called “instant background check” is a much worse threat, since those are computerized, and there really isn’t any way to tell how long the government retains them and no way to force them to delete them if they don’t want to.


28 posted on 06/16/2014 11:31:51 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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