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Did Saddam Have WMDs After All: ISIS Overruns Iraq Chemical Weapons 'Mega-Facility'
zero hedge ^ | 6/19/14 | Tyler Durden

Posted on 06/19/2014 6:02:11 PM PDT by Nachum

With all eyes firmly focused on what really matters (the oil refineries), The Telegraph reports that ISIS has over-run a Saddam Hussein-era chemical weapons (CW) complex. The al-Muhanna 'mega-facility', about 60 miles south of Baghdad, gives the jihadists access to disused stores of hundreds of tonnes of potentially deadly poisons including mustard gas and sarin. The US state department is 'concerned' but "do not believe that the complex contains CW materials of military value." However, as a former commander of Britain's chemical weapons regiment warned, "we have seen that ISIS has used chemicals in explosions in Iraq before and has carried out experiments in Syria." This is likely great for ISIS 2014 Annual Report; but, of course, the other awkward question is: does this mean Saddam did have WMDs (and ISIS found them) after all?

As The Telegraph reports, the jihadist group bringing terror to Iraq overran a Saddam Hussein chemical weapons complex on Thursday...

Isis invaded the al-Muthanna mega-facility 60 miles north of Baghdad in a rapid takeover that the US government said was a matter of concern.

The facility was notorious in the 1980s and 1990s as the locus of Saddam’s industrial scale efforts to develop a chemical weapons development programme.

During its peak in the late 1980s to early 1990s, Iraq produced bunkers full of chemical munitions.

A CIA report on the facility said that 150 tons of mustard were produced each year at the peak from 1983 and pilot-scale production of Sarin began in 1984.

Its most recent description of al-Muthanna in 2007 paints a disturbing picture of chemicals strewn throughout the area.

“Two wars, sanctions and UN oversight reduced Iraqi’s premier production facility to a stockpile of old damaged and contaminated chemical munitions (sealed in bunkers), a wasteland full

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To: Nachum

I thought Dick did well enough in the interview. He would have been a great president. Pity he wasn’t up to the task physically. Regardless I would vote for him in a microsecond today.


21 posted on 06/19/2014 6:23:36 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Nachum
I remember what went down exactly. The USA found hundreds of tons of chemical WMDs, but the UN said we could NOT call that finding WMDs because all of the chemicals were in two separate drums and you had to mix two drums to have the deadly chemical. Because they were not premixed in the drums the UN felt those could not be called chemical WMDs.

That is also how the UN allows other tyrants to have everything and not hold them accountable for their weapons.

True story folks. I remember rolling my eyes reading this about 5-6 or six years into the war.

22 posted on 06/19/2014 6:24:50 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Norm Lenhart
We're not talking wallets. What was mentioned in the article was a "facility".

Even so, we also had access to countless individuals, many of whom would have worked at or near one of the WMD facilities.

Enhanced interrogation techniques were no doubt used on many of these folks so that the military wouldn't have to scour every inch of the desert in order to find what was there.

23 posted on 06/19/2014 6:25:47 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Fiji Hill
fastballs are questions, the cow made accusations...
24 posted on 06/19/2014 6:26:21 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: jdsteel

saddam used pretty much all of his chemical weapons on the kurds and if he had any left he would have used them in the Iraq war on american troops, hell had he saved some of that vx instead of using it on the kurds he could have inflected serious casualties on usa army


25 posted on 06/19/2014 6:26:44 PM PDT by The Right wing Infidel
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To: Nachum

One of my favorite responses to the leftist creepozoids is to show the pictures of the buried-in-the-sand jets under the Iraqi desert. If they could hide the jets, they could hide anything.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/military/sandplanes.asp


26 posted on 06/19/2014 6:27:08 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus III (Do, or do not, there is no try.)
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To: Nachum
There really isn't any way to determine if the stuff is usable or not without trying. It's certainly dangerous. Destroying the very modest stocks of VX in the U.S. took years and there were accidents even with what were considered adequate safety precautions. This place is far worse. Leaking containers, half-filled munitions - the reason it hasn't been destroyed is that the project would be more difficult, dangerous, and expensive than simply leaving it there.

Until now. Because there will be somebody stupid enough to suit up and go in there for Allah and see if there's something he can drag out. For rational people it would be easier to manufacture Sarin for themselves. These guys aren't rational people.

27 posted on 06/19/2014 6:27:10 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Nachum
The al-Muhanna 'mega-facility', about 60 miles south of Baghdad...

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the al-Muthanna mega-facility 60 miles north of Baghdad....

Huh?

28 posted on 06/19/2014 6:27:49 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Viennacon

saddam used pretty much all of the vx gas he had in the Halabja chemical attack


29 posted on 06/19/2014 6:28:12 PM PDT by The Right wing Infidel
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To: The Right wing Infidel

Im also not saying that terrorist groups cant acquire wmds, hell Aum Shinrikyo in Japan managed to make there own sarin which they used on tokyo subway trains


30 posted on 06/19/2014 6:31:00 PM PDT by The Right wing Infidel
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

First, they couldn’t find all the WMDs hidden if they tried. That is my point.

Second, that place was known and we were lied to. By everyone. It was there in a time that Bush said it was to begin with in his run up, then refused to admit it was there once the Dems pressured him via the MSM to be a fall guy.


31 posted on 06/19/2014 6:31:53 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Nachum

Chemical weapons are what they are. There is so many different types. They are very elusive, workied around them in the early 80’s. doesn’t take much to do alot of damage.


32 posted on 06/19/2014 6:33:28 PM PDT by Busko (The only thing that is certain is that nothing is certain.)
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To: Viennacon
Apparently the facility contains VX

From NBC Defense School almost 40 years ago, I learned that VX (nerve agent) is some BAD, BAD stuff. And just a small amount in liquid form when dispersed as a gas goes a long, long way. Somehow I doubt that its lethality has lessened with age.

33 posted on 06/19/2014 6:42:55 PM PDT by Perseverando (Obamanation: It's ALL about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: The Right wing Infidel
instead of using it on the kurds he could have inflected serious casualties on usa army

I doubt it, the American military was trained for and prepared to fight an NBC war against the Soviets, Saddam wouldn't have done much damage to us.

As it was, we expected it and were ready for it.

34 posted on 06/19/2014 6:44:04 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: Nachum

For terrorists, dirty bombs and military level chemicals don’t have to be very effective, just using them would set the modern media into a panic frenzy, if they use them here.


35 posted on 06/19/2014 6:46:45 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12
As it was, we expected it and were ready for it.

Yep. Now, that's not to say that wearing those suits in Iraq in late spring wasn't a miserable experience...

36 posted on 06/19/2014 6:47:22 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Viennacon; SunkenCiv; Nachum; narses; neverdem

So, during the years that we “were in control of” Iraq, why were these depots full of nerve gas and toxins not disposed of?


37 posted on 06/19/2014 6:47:25 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: jdsteel
Impossible. Everyone knows that Saddam had no WMD’s. /sarc

Why, when we had boots on the ground, didn't we secure this facility?

38 posted on 06/19/2014 6:48:37 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: Perseverando

And lets bear in mind, for all FOX’s covering fire of “well these people are not smart enough to be able to move it safely”. Baghdadi has full cooperation with the Baathists in exile, many of them high rankers from Saddam’s military including Izzat al-Douri, the ‘king of clubs’. If anyone can get that stuff moved, its the guys who once created it and used it.


39 posted on 06/19/2014 6:48:53 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Nachum

Well, duuuuuuuuh! Ya think?


40 posted on 06/19/2014 6:49:48 PM PDT by bgill
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