Posted on 06/19/2014 8:39:20 PM PDT by chessplayer
How ‘bout a “report” about the millions of turds “flooding” the Rio Grande?
In some States, like Texas, the State covers up findings to pass EPA muster. It isn’t so much from man caused pollution as much as it is naturally occurring arsenic and radiation. The State was caught rounding numbers down.
One of the issues we’ve seen is regulation fostering an environment of lies. Regulations are not an effective method when they are written by politicians who care less about science and more about politics.
in other cases it fosters corruption like when Bush era Oil and Gas regulators were being bought off by industry. My fiance worked with a manager that was involved and had to testify in court over the parties, stripper, orgies, and gifts being lavished on inspectors who looked the other way.
The best system involves smart regulations with input from both industry, citizens, and politicians with a focus on common sense and accountability by all parties. Our current system has no middle ground which is why smart regulation seems like a fantasy. The media is one sided, gov is one sided, business has little ethics, and the citizens get caught in the middle. Either way we continue to lose. Dirty water or less freedom...
I look at the Monsanto case where they essentially poisoned the earth with plastic byproducts then covered it up. How do we encourage business to be honest? Reward them? Shame them with imprisonment and fines? What if the groups that are supposed to hold them accountable are just as crooked?
I LIVE on the Delaware river. It is cleaner now than it has been for 100 years. Routinely swim here. Waterlilies and grass highly visible this time of the year at low tide. Most towns pull their drinking water from the river. Check the facts.
Isn’t the mob known to be strong in those areas? Doesn’t the mob specialize in waste industries? Can it be quite profitable for a truck hired to remove liquid industrial toxins from a business to do so and later that night park alongside a roadside ditch and empty its load?
You posted an article from the Union of Concerned Scientists. A radical leftist environmental group.
Thanks - funny how sometimes the leftists and the conservatives can find common ground some times (I’m thinking of the NSA, no-knock raids, etc.).
But truly - thanks for the info., as they will no doubt try to skew things. But over the years I have been reading about the problems with ethanol corn. It takes more energy to grow and distill the corn than it produces! And it requires a LOT of water (something like 100 gallons of water for one gallon of ethanol - not sure, but it is high! Includes the growing and the processing of it). And of course fields that were once used to grow food are now growing stuff to burn - so our food costs go up.
I was reading an article about the California drought. And then read an article on all of the subsidies so the farmers in CA are expanding their ethanol corn crops (which use tons of water). Crazy.
Here’s an old article from some site put on by MIT regarding water and corn ethanol.
http://www.technologyreview.com/news/413002/measuring-corn-ethanols-thirst-for-water/
“Ethanol derived from corn consumes up to three times more water than previously thought, according to a new study.
Prior studies have estimated, based on national production averages, that one liter of corn-derived ethanol should require 263 to 784 liters of water to both grow the crop and convert it into fuel. Now, researchers at the University of Minnesota have concluded that the amount of water used in ethanol production varies hugely from state to state, ranging from 5 to 2,138 liters of water per liter of ethanol, depending on regional irrigation needs.”
Let’s be clear, as HereInTheHeartland said, but perhaps emphasized the wrong words, most conservatives are not talking about getting rid of ALL regulation. That’s where you are erring, if I may say so.
Sure there are some extremists on the right who want to get rid of all regulation, but not most. Certainly not the sane ones.
The sane ones recognize the value of some limited regulation. But what we have today is a far cry from that.
So blanket statements like “Conservatives would be fine with big business turning this country into a sludge filled sewer like China if they could.” Are not only inaccurate but counter-productive.
You’re certainly right when you say, “You think big business is your friend? Then why are they working for and helping COMMUNIST China? It’s because they couldn’t care less about you or the U.S.,,,except for whats in your wallet.”
True conservatism though, at least the one I uphold as a value, isn’t about “big business” and supporting the interests of corporations over individuals.
So be careful to separate conservatism from corporatism. They are two different things.
Enforcing reasonable laws without political kickbacks will clean up things.
Oh, listening to lib/commie propaganda ain't going to clean up a damn thing either.
Get a clue dupe.
I think you missed that I was jesting. The guy says he can only grow weeds in his yard. Are the weeds pollution resistant or something?
Each side has its statistics showing it is good or bad. There is a lot of feed value left after a bushel of corn of processed; and the technologies have improved things.
As long as the government isn't dictating or subsidizing it; let the market decide if it is a good thing or not.
That's my opinion.
Reminds me of a SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE skit in which Joe Piscopo is a brain damaged worker enjoying life in polluted NEW JERSEY.
First get rid of the dihydroxen monoxide getting dumped in to the water, then we can talk.
Dat’s where the mob prefer to get rid of uhhh stuff.. Bodies, chemicals, who knows what else.
Are you mad because despite the choking, contradictory, and confiscatory regulations foisted on the chemical, oil, and gas industry, your government failed to protect you?
After all, government is a force for good, right? Lord knows this isn’t going on in Texas, Oklahoma, or any other conservative state, I assure you. And I have that from the horse’s mouth - an EPA agent in charge down there.
They visit so often they now have their own parking places, with labels on them.
Government, however, isn’t a force for good, and over the entire history of man it never has been. The American Experiment was a first - To place limits of the power of government over people.
That experiment is a failure.
Government isn’t a force for good. This belief is the central tenant of liberalism and socialism.
despite the choking, contradictory, and confiscatory regulations foisted on the chemical, oil, and gas industry,
We are forcing the oil companies to buy corn, convert it to menthanol, and then blend it with gasoline.
Now, in your gauzy version of a government that does good, is there a place where poor people pay more for corn, which is shipped to ADM to be made into ethanol, and then it is blended into fuels which destroy the engines of plain old lower and middle class people?
You realize the entire third world thinks we are amoral for taking perfectly good corn and burning it? Instead, we could simply drive down the price of both gasoline and food and just burn regular old gasoline.
That’s government at work. What’s a good government toady doing on a forum for conservatism and probing conversation about various weighty issues of the day?
You should change the handle to ‘checkerplayer’. Like Obama.
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