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To: driftdiver
The poverty in India for the lower classes is breathtaking.

What's breathtaking is the indifference of the corrupt ruling elites to the lives of the peasants. India is one of those countries that could use a good old-fashioned Bastille-type revolution, complete with the guillotining of the entire upper class. They have been robbing the country blind via regulatory corruption, and plain old theft, while telling the poor they're so much better off than they were under British rule.

10 posted on 06/21/2014 4:24:49 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Well said.

A while back there was an article about 30,000 people applying for 3 jobs. The jobs were for rat catchers which came with a stick and a flashlight. A high percentage of the applicants held 4 year degrees.

They also dump their dead in the rivers. So you have corpses floating and decomposing in the same places these people go to bathe, brush teeth, drink, and of course go bathroom.


17 posted on 06/21/2014 4:33:02 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Zhang Fei
What's breathtaking is the indifference of the corrupt ruling elites to the lives of the peasants. India is one of those countries that could use a good old-fashioned Bastille-type revolution, complete with the guillotining of the entire upper class. They have been robbing the country blind via regulatory corruption, and plain old theft, while telling the poor they're so much better off than they were under British rule.

That worked so well for Haiti, didn't it?

It may be the case that the upper castes are also where the higher-IQ individuals come from. You know, the ones who are necessary for the operation of modern civilization?

I do agree that it would be better for India if much of government/socialism was stripped away, that the government employees were forced to seek private sector employment, and if restrictions preventing lower castes from starting their own small businesses were removed.

33 posted on 06/21/2014 5:13:18 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Zhang Fei

“India is one of those countries that could use a good old-fashioned Bastille-type revolution, complete with the guillotining of the entire upper class.”

The problem is religious and cultural, not political. It doesn’t matter who is in charge. They’re all Hindus and therefore don’t give a damn about human beings beneath them. The grinding poverty is what the “peasants” deserve according to Hindu culture.

This is why so many Hindus fear the Dalits becoming Catholics:

http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Item/451/kill_christians_and_destroy_their_institutions.aspx

http://www.catholic.org/news/international/asia/story.php?id=27995

http://www.ucanews.com/story-archive/?post_name=/1995/03/28/catholic-church-in-orissa-reaffirms-commitment-to-dalits-and-tribals&post_id=47032

The Catholic Dalits know Christianity changes EVERYTHING: http://campaigns.ahrchk.net/jjpallath/mainfile.php/hnews/56/

As long as the Dalits are Hindus they will have little voice - Hinduism says their lot is their lot because of a former life. As Christians, however, especially Catholic Christians, they know their rights, know they are created in God’s image, and demand change. Hence, the persecution of Dalit Christians by Hindu elites.


45 posted on 06/21/2014 5:35:41 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Zhang Fei

You forgot the Caste system, which sentences people to their lot in life at birth.

Imagine the FLIES landing on your food & face.

Obviously, Indians have become somewhat immune to fecal related diseases. Good for them. I’d probably get sick within a week of being there. The smell alone would sicken me.

Train rides must be vomit inducing.

Some cultures are definitely better than others, both for the people & the land they inhabit.


49 posted on 06/21/2014 5:46:19 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Zhang Fei
What's breathtaking is the indifference of the corrupt ruling elites to the lives of the peasants. India is one of those countries that could use a good old-fashioned Bastille-type revolution, complete with the guillotining of the entire upper class. They have been robbing the country blind via regulatory corruption, and plain old theft, while telling the poor they're so much better off than they were under British rule.

I have a friend who is Indian. I met him at work. When I was looking for alternatives to America, I asked him about India.

He adamantly insisted that would be a horrible idea. He told me that as corrupt as America has become, it is 1% of what India is. He told me you need to pay every official you meet, to do their job, to not enforce AGAINST you, and so on.

94 posted on 06/21/2014 6:45:58 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Zhang Fei
Have YOU been there?
114 posted on 06/21/2014 9:01:42 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: Zhang Fei; Altura Ct.; driftdiver

“...while telling the poor they’re so much better off than they were under British rule.”

B b b but Mahatma Gandhi rescued them from all that British oppression!


115 posted on 06/21/2014 9:02:54 AM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders)
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To: Zhang Fei

There is nothing so-called elites or upper castes can do to force behavior changes of certain section of people. If lower castes, as a matter of politics, refuse to become educated, abuse public toilets so nobody else can use them, politicize any kind of sanitary work, not much can be done to change their attitudes or sanitary conditions. Sanitary public work is so much politicized that not many people are willing to work as sanitation workers, and those who do, refuse to do any cleaning work. India tried building lots of public toilets but within months, they were so filthy that nobody would be willing to use them or clean them

India experimented with socialism giving political focus exclusively on welfare of lower castes, but it only ended up enlarging and empowering the impoverishment. Do you think American style welfare state is capable of moving hundreds of millions of people out of need and dependence on government welfare programs - will not India be trading one serious problem with many more serious ones? Does India has that kind of wealth-creating economic engine to institute European style welfare state? If simply throwing money could have solved this problem, It would have been solved many decades ago.

The sanitation issue is more political than cultural. Guess what, British ruled India for 150yrs and they could not solved it either. In fact, the political issues involved in sanitation stalemate are a British legacy. Politicization of Sanitation originated during British Raj, and past rulers intesified it.

The new non-socialist administration has started in earnest to clean up rivers and modernize infrastructure. Socialists had 60years to clean it up, new administration has asked for only 10years.


125 posted on 06/21/2014 10:06:57 AM PDT by kp2hot
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