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To: HiTech RedNeck

The laws are passed by a secular government, using laws that are to be according to the US Constitution, which is a secular document, and these laws are carried out and enforced by a secular judicial system and a secular law enforcement system. Those are the “facts on the ground” no matter what you say about divine principles.

Now, in your own personal life, you can have all the divine guidance and divine intervention you want, but you are still going to have to go “through” the secular system to achieve those aims you want “in government”.

There is still going to have to be a “law” that is composed from a secular legislative body, there is still going to have to be a vote in secular government body there is still going to have to be secular law enforcement, and there is still going to have to be adjudication in a secular justice system.

The “Gospel message” is not a function of government and has nothing to do with it. It’s a personal message for personal salvation. The presentation of the Gospel message of salvation to each individual proceeds on its own, having nothing to do with the government and/or its functions.


48 posted on 06/28/2014 3:46:38 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

You aren’t going to get this current democratic republic to do the right thing without the gospel power... and THOSE, my friend, are the REAL facts on the ground!


49 posted on 06/28/2014 3:57:52 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Star Traveler
The “Gospel message” is not a function of government and has nothing to do with it.

You are quite blind to the fact that Christian faith was VERY much a communal affair in early America. It was not a bunch of monks in corners with personal bibles.

What is there about the need for gospel in this world that scares you?

50 posted on 06/28/2014 3:59:35 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Star Traveler

Perhaps you are looking at this from a wrong perspective.

I’m saying the result of a successful effort to refill the world with gospel belief will show in how people conduct their government too.

I never asked for a theocracy. I asked all willing Christians to do their part to help bring about a fresh realization that there is, as was said in the older days, “No King but Jesus.”

That is not a fix-it kit for government ills, though government ills may soon yield to it. The realization will start to show in many good things in the world, because people will have begun to look beyond the limits of the world. The Holy Spirit never vanished. People’s attention to Him did.

None of this negates the prophecies of cataclysmic events that are written in scripture. There will be a time when hardly anybody cares about gospel. Jesus asked whether, when He returns, there will be faith on the earth: the implication is NO there won’t (in a relative sense it will be absent).

Some folks are so frozen in chosenness that they miss the free will details of actually living to and from the Alpha and Omega.


51 posted on 06/28/2014 4:10:34 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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