Posted on 06/28/2014 12:17:12 PM PDT by VitacoreVision
(From VitacoreVision):”Liberals are going to hijack the Constitutional Convention.”
It’s not a “Constitutional Convention” but an Article V Convention of States to propose amendments, two very different things.
As far as the concept, the group with the best concept IMO is the Citizens for Self-Governance proposal for a Convention of States limited to a prepared agenda of SUBJECTS (not per-written amendments). Only those agreed-upon subjects will be on the agenda to hammer out proposed amendment(s).
http://conventionofstates.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/COS_Handbook.pdf
Example of topics for proposed amendments are.
- A balanced budget amendment.
- Reducing federal spending power (fixing the General Welfare Clause).
- Reducing federal regulatory power (fixing the Commerce Clause).
- A prohibition of using international treaties and law to govern the domestic law of the United States.
- Limitation on Executive Orders and Administrative Agency Law.
- Imposing substantive checks on the Supreme Court including term limits.
- A limit on federal taxation.
The only one I don’t support is the balanced budget amendment because it give politicians “wiggle room” to justify raising taxes. The key is LIMITING SPENDING and the size of the federal government. I would also add another topic for a proposed amendment.
[ In my opinion, an Article V convention risks destroying our original constitution, which I consider to be a divinely inspired document.
So, in your view, it is a divinely inspired document with the exception of Article V? ]
You got them there!
Also FEDERAL House and Senate have been the gatekeeper to the constitution for over 200 years, and while some amendments have been good, the bill of rights, end of slavery, 2 term limit on presidents. Some have been really bad, Prohibition, Federal income Tax, Direct Election of Senators.
The Number of Bad amendments PROPOSED by FEDERAL Congress in the last 100 years has been increasing.
How about we PROPOSE some new Amendments using a Meeting of the STATE Legislatures? FED-GOV has proven they cannot be trusted anymore to LIMIT their OWN POWER....
All an Article V “Convention of States” is, is a MEETING of STATE Legislatures to PROPOSE New Amendments ONLY, the Amendments Once proposed and STILL HAVE TO BE RATIFIED using the EXISTING PROCESS...
The rest of my last post...
I would also add another topic for a proposed amendment:
Limit federal enforcement power over the first ten amendments (fix the 14th Amendment to its original intent: ONLY a prohibition on state segregation laws (as confirmed by the Supreme Court in the Slaughterhouse Cases in 1872).
I have spent many hours studying both sides of this issue, inclding the proposed ammendments, who originally started this movement 40 years ago, and who has funded the movement. the Ford Foundation, the Open Society Foundation, along with other leftist ofginazations. The Naetlson, Levin, Barnett, Meckler, Farris crowd have picked up what the left has been attempting since the 70's including the same "balanced Budget Ammendment, approach. The proposed Balanced Budget Ammendment, going through state legislatures, does not contain the words balanced or budget, what it does do is give congress the authority to raise the debt limit by 5%, whenever they choose, and raise taxes aa needed whenever they so choose. How is that doing anything to control congress. The other proposed ammendments I studied did nothing to restrict congress, in fact some gave them authority that they don't now have.
I have given several presentations against the "Convention of States" proposal, I spent at least 40 hours doing research before giving those presentaions. I found nothing good that could come out of a convention, what I did find was a lot of half truths, misinformation, and name calling coming from the Naetlson, Levin, Barnett, Meckler, Farris crowd.
” The government ignores the Constitution as it’s written now!”
The FEDERAL Government IGNORES it....
The STATE Government(s) SUFFER the Federal Government’s Abuses and Ignoring of the Constitution.
So the State Governments cannot get together to PROPOSE new amendments? You know like the way Corrupt FEDERAL Congress already can....
You do understand the difference between a STATE Senator and Representative and FEDERAL Senator and Representative???
We should re-name it “ Article V meeting of State Legislatures to Propose Amendments to the Constitution. “
I fear if we bicker and fight amongst ourselves over the fact that some of us cannot understand How Article V actually works that someone in congress will Propose a Amendment in Federal Congress to “Close the Article V Loophole” as the libs and the MSM and liberal media would sell it.
And a bunch of idiot dupes on this board would think it would be a great idea to do that not realizing they would be cutting off the States only recourse to Propose new amendments...
And then an some point they (being congress would add into this amendment a provision that congress itself could ratify new amendment with a 2/3 or 3/4 vote in the senate or house) and we can at that point kiss Federalism as the founders intended goodbye and have our only recourse be revolution violent or otherwise as our only option to roll back the federal Leviathan...
I fear if we bicker and fight amongst ourselves over the fact that some of us cannot understand How Article V actually works that someone in congress will Propose a Amendment in Federal Congress to “Close the Article V Loophole” as the libs and the MSM and liberal media would sell it.
And a bunch of idiot dupes on this board would think it would be a great idea to do that not realizing they would be cutting off the States only recourse to Propose new amendments...
And then an some point they (being congress would add into this amendment a provision that congress itself could ratify new amendment with a 2/3 or 3/4 vote in the senate or house) and we can at that point kiss Federalism as the founders intended goodbye and have our only recourse be revolution violent or otherwise as our only option to roll back the federal Leviathan...
[ I have given several presentations against the “Convention of States” proposal, I spent at least 40 hours doing research before giving those presentations. I found nothing good that could come out of a convention, ]
How about instead of a Convention of the States we have a “Meeting of the State legislatures to propose new amendments” and then we give those proposals to congress to vote on like how any other amendments is processed? So then Both houses of the Federal Legislature can than vote on them and have them pass with a 2/3 votes before needing 3/4 of the states to ratify just like all the other amendments that have ever been ratified?
So instead of one congressman proposing an amendment for the House and Senate to vote on, instead we get the states together and they hand it off to a congressman so congress can complete the process like any other normal amendments?
Do you support nullification?
Let them hijack a Convention of the States! The product of a Convention of the States is not a ratified amendment to the Constitution as many patriots seem to think. The product of such a convention is only a proposed amendment to the Constituton which the states later choose to either ratify or ignore.
Yes I do.
The States are in debt.
The Fed has been handing them money for decades - which has led to the states overspending.
The States can’t live without federal money.
How hard do you honestly think the states are going to squeeze the fed?
Whatever.
If it’s hijacked by the left, those conservative amendments will never see the light of day.
That said: the problem we have in 2014 is that the Federal government is ignoring the Constitution AND its own laws!
I don’t know what good new amendments are going to do when the Fed ignores the old amendments.
This past week, and with little notice, Scotus rewrote the Recess Appointments Clause of the Constitution. It was done without the hassle of Article V. Oh.
Every executive branch agency stands ready to serve the democrat party.
Given all this and certainly much more, we are supposed to fear a meeting of state delegates in accordance with the Constitution?
There is nothing to lose and everything to gain from an Article V convention to propose amendments.
Article V is the last hope of a dying republic.
Count to 34, then 38. 13 doesn’t get you there.
38 states are needed to ratify anything. What issue do you see that would be against conservative values that would be supported by 38 states?
If Convention of States don’t work, the next step should be states beginning to nullify unconstitutional fed acts (Roe v. Wade, Obamacare should head the list) and begin financial independence from the feds.
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