Posted on 06/28/2014 12:17:12 PM PDT by VitacoreVision
Well, there are more options - more severe, but necessary in the cause of freedom, which is worth everything, IMO. Let's hope for a successful outcome of a Convention of States.
But if that doesn't work, states can begin nullifying unconstitutional federal acts and rulings and start taking steps toward financial independence from the feds.
"Creeping tyranny"? Let's counter with "creeping independence and liberty."
I don’t really see how adding ammendments to the Constitution will cause people who violate the Constitution with impunity to all at once start abiding by it because of new ammendments.
If you read the notes and debate minutes left by the framers, they specifically included the convention process as a "last resort" before violence. To me, it's worth a risk to keep that from happening and the more I learn, the less risk I see.
Some parts of the Constitution have not been violated, such as the Presidential Term Limit. Would term limits for Congress and SCOTUS be ignored?
This is an example of a structural change that Levin is proposing, among others.
By your logic, ammendments can do no harm.
I am not convinced that there won't be an attempt to violate that at some point.
I thought so. You guys are standing in the way of progress. Your way will never work.
You say nothing can go wrong. I'll give you three examples of what could go wronng. The Sixteenth Ammendment, Income Tax. The Seventeenth Ammendment, direct election of senators, and the stupidest, the Eighteenth Ammendment, Prohibition, all were ratified by three fourths of the State Legislatures.
“In my opinion, an Article V convention risks destroying our original constitution, which I consider to be a </>divinely inspired</I> document.”
As much as I agree with you on the Constitution and bill of rights(including #11) the following 16 amendments are not so divinely inspired, and the rest of that constitution is now utterly ignored.
Unless we are able to make the injustice system accountable to the people and their States and thus remotely inclined to uphold that Constitution. We don’t really have anything to loses but the now effectively meaningless writings on Washington’s toilet paper.
For better or worse History will remain history no matter what is now done. The only thing we can do now is try to restore some of the checks and balances we once lost in hope that they may be enable us to restore and retain some of the practical freedom from boundless government we have lost.
What could be more dangerous than what we have already? The Federal employees in black robes have rendered the whole of our 11 paged Constitution utterly meaningless.
Thou a Tax Washington can do anything and everything, and what few lines The corrupt employees in black robes do draw are entirely arbitrary not from our constitution but from their own ideological imaginations.
We don’t have a Constitution C-b 1. We don’t really stand to lose that which we no longer have.
I have been saying for over a dozen years, there is no fixing D.C. from D.C. any fixes must come from the States, and divine intervention, I’ll stick by that.
Lovely. Democrats participating in a convention to cement their socialist utopia.
“An America more like Venezuela! Article V now!”
Freezing liberals and Democrats out of an Amendments Convention would be a futile exercise. What is good about an Amendments Convention is that everybody will have to put his cards on the table and make his case.
Bingo. Absolutely.
The only solution here is really dissolution of the Union not rewritting the Constitution. Half of America wants a cradle to grave nanny state.
The other half believes in freedom and traditional American values.
There is no way to reconcile them.
“I have been saying for over a dozen years, there is no fixing D.C. from D.C. any fixes must come from the States, and divine intervention, I’ll stick by that.”
In that case you would agree with the need for a convention outside of D.C. A convention who’s sole propose is to restore federalism and bring about meaningful checks upon the power of D.C.
“Bingo. Absolutely.
The only solution here is really dissolution of the Union not rewritting the Constitution. Half of America wants a cradle to grave nanny state.
The other half believes in freedom and traditional American values.
There is no way to reconcile them”
Actually there is a middle ground in true federalism. If Washington can be locked down domestically to no role, then both of us can have our way in separate states.
This solution has the advantage of allowing those born among either population with dreams of freedom or oppression may simply migrate to the other.
The caveat is a politically difficult truth to accept by the communist left. Their dream system in practice depends upon enslavement of the population to support itself for any medium term length of time.
The key here is to politically corner the left into denying this ugly fact, and thus forcing them to open the doors to their prison.(letting people leave)
We do that, then we can restore federalism and let each community go their separate ways for as long as they might last. You and I both know that with in a few generations their state will collapse into debt and tyranny. We can tell them that as long as they don’t believe us, or more importantly think that if we are correct then their state should collapse.
We can only hope, and work as hard as we can to see to it that our legislators are so wise. (Republicans like Bush did have the poor judgement to select dishonorable men like Traitor John Roberts).
If nothing else we must appeal to the power greed of both democrat and republican legislators. Get them to dream of a world where they weld most all of the domestic power of the Federal Government.
Democrat politicians are many things ideologically but among those things is power hungry. Spare no effort to bring that out of them at a convention and set their sites upon Federal Power, and what amazing things they could do with in the framework of their more malleable state.
What is being proposed only addresses the symptom of the problem, while ridiculing the potential damger.
As has been pointed out to you danger is a reltivie term. As for the root of this problem I’m not sure we see much beyond the symptoms.
I for one do not believe a political system depended upon a specific couture will endure if it does not sustain that culture. The war our Federal government has waged upon the christian underpinnings of our cuture for the last 50 years has in itself undermined the very foundation of our republic.
Many of us here on free republic suspect that was in fact the point of the Warren Court’s war. But whatever the objectives or intend of their war, the result has in fact been moral and demographic devastation to everything from our families to our political structure.
We are progressively slipping into a dictatorship with the cheers of millions unable or unwilling to look past the mere skin of the political circus before they vote away the freedom of their countrymen.
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