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Wales: Campaign to improve Rorke's Drift hero's grave [1964 Movie Zulu Men of Harlech]
Wales Online ^ | June 29, 2014

Posted on 06/29/2014 7:34:22 AM PDT by bd476

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To: miss marmelstein
miss marmelstein wrote: "I’ll never forget someone here going off at me - maybe two years ago! A complete loon."
It is easy to understand how anyone would have a strong memory and sense of such an experience. In person, at least we might notice the signs, and see little clues of an impending explosion. Yet in text, it's difficult to glean much beyond words and context so that when a volcano erupts, the unexpected impact would hit that much harder.


miss marmelstein wrote: "The odd thing about British socialists (unlike American scum) is that they are often quite fond of their country and the Empire - as Mr. Baker clearly was if 'Zulu' is anything to go by. He had wonderful screen presence and I wish he had made many more movies."

That's right! I think you just hit the nail on the head.

miss marmelstein wrote: "The last thing I saw him in was a remake of “How Green Was My Valley.” He was clearly very ill but wonderful nonetheless.

Glad to know there are Stanley Baker fans out of the closet on FR!"


Thank you, I am glad we agree and even more glad I posted this. I love good acting and sometimes can't help but share my thoughts.

Several years go I sat in a theater for a half hour after seeing a movie with two actors I had never seen before. Thankfully there were others in the theater who remained seated, apparently as moved as me. It floored me what had happened on screen - not the story, not the cinematography, just the acting.

Someone finally spoke up saying "What just happened? That was brilliant! Who are they?" and then others spoke up also giving their thoughts on the outstanding performances.


41 posted on 06/29/2014 9:32:11 AM PDT by bd476
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To: Tax-chick

Rex Harrison is delightful! He’s great! Love this! Thank you!


42 posted on 06/29/2014 9:34:14 AM PDT by bd476
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To: Monkey Face

That’s another thing I love - an actor who is playing the role of a villain and is able to make the villain real, palpable.


43 posted on 06/29/2014 9:40:39 AM PDT by bd476
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Speaking of two actors, just think of the final scenes with Mr. Baker and Mr. Caine - the working class man and the effete snob. But after the battles, they are comrades in arms, laughing hysterically at having survived.


44 posted on 06/29/2014 9:41:32 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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miss marmelstein wrote: "Well, I never bought the phone book analogy but Burton had one of the greatest speaking voices of any actor of the 20th century. He was also a very great stage actor - early in his career.

His first role was in the play “A Lady's Not for Burning” in which he played a young servant who scrubbed the floor - his back to the audience. No dialogue. For whatever reason, his presence alone caused audience members to be moved to tears and critics to exclaim at this new force in the theater world. Now that is the stuff of legend. In theater parlance, he had at a young age what is called “hunger.” Success, Elizabeth Taylor and tons of money destroyed that hunger. He also began to dislike acting and turned his talents to writing."


Wow, thank you! Fascinating, and yes, the stuff of legends.


45 posted on 06/29/2014 9:47:22 AM PDT by bd476
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To: miss marmelstein

He was a hero alright, but he was also apparently an exemplary soldier, not the malingering n’er do well portrayed in the film. Presumably the producers thought that would be too boring and wanted a rogue instead.

Apparently, Colour-Sergeant Frank Bourne, who is portrayed as a man well into middle age in the film, was only in his early 20s at the time of the battle, and was the last veteran of that battle to die. Coincidently, he died on the 8th of May 1945 aged 91, on VE Day...


46 posted on 06/29/2014 9:47:42 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: miss marmelstein

Yes. An important subplot. He cared about the Zulu and he cared about the Soldiers and he cared about himself and his daughter, and he could do nothing to stop the coming battle and death but drink and yell.


47 posted on 06/29/2014 9:52:06 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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I think James Booth is wonderful as is the characterization. I’m sorry the family was upset but seeing the slothful Hicks finally moved to action and heroics is what filmmaking is all about! And the Color Sergeant always reminds me a little of Arthur Treacher’s performances in earlier films.


48 posted on 06/29/2014 9:53:25 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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Old style, pre-war and immediate postwar British socialists may have been patriotic, but I’m not sure that is the case today. Once Communist infiltrators (of the kind Yuri Bezmenov warned us about in the 1980s) got involved, they eventually perverted western leftist groups and turned their members into useful idiots for the Soviet Union. Even though the USSR is long dead, they have never really lost their habit of despising patriotism and damning all its forms as ‘imperialist’ and ‘fascistic’ as their former paymasters wanted them to.


49 posted on 06/29/2014 9:54:30 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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miss marmelstein wrote: "Speaking of two actors, just think of the final scenes with Mr. Baker and Mr. Caine - the working class man and the effete snob. But after the battles, they are comrades in arms, laughing hysterically at having survived."

That is pure art.

50 posted on 06/29/2014 9:54:38 AM PDT by bd476
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He also scares a young soldier as I remember and has to be placed under guard. There’s also a small role of a Boer, I believe.


51 posted on 06/29/2014 9:54:52 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: bd476

Michael Caine’s first movie role and he never looked back.


52 posted on 06/29/2014 9:55:31 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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I only suggested that because there was a Guardian CiF editorial (I’ve been banned from giving my opinion) about the Empire and every teenaged, snot-nosed leftist wrote in praising it to the very skies. Oh, the roads we built! Oh, the purdah we destroyed! Oh, the massacre at Amritzar we loved, oh wait...

That may have wrongly colored my judgment.


53 posted on 06/29/2014 10:00:00 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: miss marmelstein

He blew the audition, completely blew it. And the director came to him, offering him the role. Forget that the director was desperate, they were flying to Africa the next day and the chosen actor had become ill. But a second chance at a missed role never happens. Glad it did in this case though. :)


54 posted on 06/29/2014 10:00:59 AM PDT by bd476
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This is generally called Kismet. Or, Mr. Caine channeled the John Cassevettes character in “Rosemary’s Baby”!


55 posted on 06/29/2014 10:02:59 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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I like the Colour Sergeant....

“Now, there’s a good gentleman.”

“Hitch. Private Hitch? Answer up lad. I know you’re alive. I saw you this morning.”


56 posted on 06/29/2014 10:06:04 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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He’s wonderful. This is someone who’d actually get a slacker like me to join up.


57 posted on 06/29/2014 10:14:40 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: miss marmelstein

My grandfather also fought in Africa in the Boer War...


58 posted on 06/29/2014 10:43:49 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

Was he British? I should have said, btw, it was my great grandfather who I never met. Mine was Irish.


59 posted on 06/29/2014 10:46:16 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: bd476

Diolch yn fawr!


60 posted on 06/29/2014 10:50:45 AM PDT by Myrddin
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