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Math Under Common Core Has Even Parents Stumbling
NY Times ^ | 6-29-14 | Motoko Rich

Posted on 06/30/2014 3:31:19 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic

GREENWELL SPRINGS, La. — Rebekah and Kevin Nelams moved to their modest brick home in this suburb of Baton Rouge seven years ago because it has one of the top-performing public school districts in the state. But starting this fall, Ms. Nelams plans to home-school the couple’s four elementary-age children.

The main reason: the methods that are being used for teaching math under the Common Core, a set of academic standards adopted by more than 40 states.

Ms. Nelams said she did not recognize the approaches her children, ages 7 to 10, were being asked to use on math work sheets. They were frustrated by the pictures, dots and sheer number of steps needed to solve some problems. Her husband, who is a pipe designer for petroleum products at an engineering firm, once had to watch a YouTube video before he could help their fifth-grade son with his division homework.

“They say this is rigorous because it teaches them higher thinking,” Ms. Nelams said. “But it just looks tedious.”

Across the country, parents who once conceded that their homework expertise petered out by high school trigonometry are now feeling helpless when confronted with first-grade work sheets. Stoked by viral postings online that ridicule math homework in which students are asked to critique a phantom child’s thinking or engage in numerous steps, along with mockery from comedians including Louis C. K. and Stephen Colbert, these parents are adding to an increasingly fierce political debate about whether the Common Core is another way in which Washington is taking over people’s lives.

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A second-grade math work sheet. Credit Edmund D. Fountain for The New York Times

1 posted on 06/30/2014 3:31:19 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

There is nothing wrong with the three questions I can see on that worksheet. And FYI I wasn’t taught multiplication or division until the third grade.


2 posted on 06/30/2014 3:37:14 AM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: SeeSharp

Are you assuming that all people have exactly ten fingers and two feet and all cars have four wheels?

What if Jonah has only nine fingers, and Emily has only one foot, and D’Shana has seven fingers on one hand and six on the other, and the principal, Herr Doktor Professor Mengle drives a three axle Mercedes, undt his wife, Frau Mengle the librarian, rides a BMW motorcycle with a sidecar?


3 posted on 06/30/2014 3:43:06 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (This is known as "bad luck". - Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: SeeSharp

It’s not the questions, it’s the way the kids are required to answer. Note that, on the answer sheet, the kids have to draw out the physical representation of the items present in order to “show their work”. So, for the “23 kids in the class” question, he can’t just write 23x10, the kid is expected to draw 23 sets of fingers. For the car question, the kid has to draw 6 sets of tires (what if one of the cars is a Morgan 3-wheeler or a Reliant Robin?).


4 posted on 06/30/2014 3:43:17 AM PDT by Little Pig
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To: Little Pig

Seriously? I thought those doodles were done by someone failing to get the idea.


5 posted on 06/30/2014 3:46:49 AM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: SeeSharp

I’ve seen a number of videos on Common Core that had students doing the math. Simple addition was so unnecessarily convoluted. So much more time than just simply adding. There was always something about the kids as they were doing it. Can’t quite put my finger on it. Just weird.


6 posted on 06/30/2014 3:47:13 AM PDT by all the best
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Are you assuming that all people have exactly ten fingers and two feet and all cars have four wheels?

Yes.

7 posted on 06/30/2014 3:47:44 AM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: afraidfortherepublic

The article links to a “study” on how kids learn math. Here are the authors:

JOHN D. BRANSFORD (Chair), College of Education, University of Washington
SUSAN CAREY, Department of Psychology, Harvard University
KIERAN EGAN, Department of Education, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, Canada
SUZANNE WILSON, School of Education, Michigan State University
SAMUEL S. WINEBURG, Department of Education, Stanford University


Sure would be nice if they could squeeze someone with a MATH BACKGROUND into designing how kids should learn math.


8 posted on 06/30/2014 3:48:01 AM PDT by BobL
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To: afraidfortherepublic

One goal of Common Core is to allow success for students who CANNOT memorize math facts. They cannot memorize, but they can count.


9 posted on 06/30/2014 3:49:06 AM PDT by abclily
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To: afraidfortherepublic

The questions in that pic are easy, its the idiocy of the method that is screwy.


10 posted on 06/30/2014 3:49:42 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

These techniques look like novel ways to add to traditional teaching to spice things up. But, since this is Government, everything is applied to everybody, too little time is allowed for transition, and no one is allowed to dissent.

We don’t need the Government mandating anything with our children. They need to defend us from enemies and leave everything else alone.


11 posted on 06/30/2014 3:50:12 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: SeeSharp

Nothing wrong? It makes a lot of assumptions as to the variables. Six cars in the parking lot. Are they four wheeled cars?

Instead of drawing six circles with four wheels each and then counting the wheels, what is wring with 6 times 4?

There are 25 students in the class. How many have suffered a lost finger or hand due to an accident? Instead of what looks like binary counting, what is wrong with 25 times 10?


12 posted on 06/30/2014 3:50:21 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: afraidfortherepublic
"Rebekah and Kevin Nelams moved to their modest brick home in this suburb of Baton Rouge seven years ago because it has one of the top-performing public school districts in the state. But starting this fall, Ms. Nelams plans to home-school the couple’s four elementary-age children. "

God has already blessed their four children, now I am sure He will bless the parents for the love and care they are showing God's gifts to them.

ON June 12, 2018 legal registered voters in Maine will cast one ballot each, on that ballot will be a question on whether to secede from the union or not, it will also reference the Constitution that will go into effect immediately upon a successful secession vote.

This is the education section from that Constitution:


Section 7a. Education. All education is left to the local community, to the parents first and foremost and then to the city, town or community in which the family resides. The counties and the Republic are explicitly denied any role in a child's education with the exception of Militia members while on duty and prisoners while in the care of the county jail or prison of the Republic. The first and foremost responsibility to teach a child Religion, obedience, patriotism, loyalty, righteousness, and to be a productive member of society rest squarely upon the shoulders of the parent(s), the local communities role is to support and reinforce that parental responsibility.

13 posted on 06/30/2014 3:53:49 AM PDT by The_Republic_Of_Maine (Be kept informed on Maine's secession, sign up at freemaine@hushmail.com)
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To: abclily

I don’t believe in kids who can’t memorize. Math presents students with psychological barriers they don’t want to cross. It’s the teachers job to get then to cross those barriers.


14 posted on 06/30/2014 3:53:54 AM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: Little Pig

or a Messerschmidt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_KR200


15 posted on 06/30/2014 3:55:54 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I looked carefully at the Algebra 1 Common Core Math Test given in New York State and here’s what I found:

1) If you know traditional math, you will get 70% correct, probably enough to pass. Some of the problems, maybe 30%, are right out of traditional math books (i.e., the ones that aren’t published anymore in the US...but that’s another story), and the other 40% of this group are still traditional, but with some kind of a twist.

2) If you know the new-age nomenclature, like Cumulative, Associative, etc. properties, Range and Domain, etc. you can get another 15% correct.

3) You do have to know Common Core (i.e., total BS crap) for the final 15%, but it is doable.

4) Graphing calculators are REQUIRED for that examine, but EVERY PROBLEM can be done without one in a reasonable amount of time if you know traditional math. Think about it.


The bottom-line is that kids will do well even if just taught traditional math, with a small level of learning the new-age and Common Core stuff. They key is knowing the traditional math.

But here’s the problem, the VAST MAJORITY of parents EXPECT their kids to learn what is necessary in their schools - and for those parents, they will be VERY DISAPPOINTED as the whole point of Common Core is to somehow magically teach math without teaching any traditional skills.

...and the above applies to most FReeper Parents - you know who you are, and admit it, it’s much easier to just dump-off your kids in school, than to take on those schools by teaching your kids first, so your kids know the stuff before being “diagnosed” with a “learning disorder”.


16 posted on 06/30/2014 4:02:51 AM PDT by BobL
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

17 posted on 06/30/2014 4:03:01 AM PDT by ZinGirl (kids in college....can't afford a tagline right now)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets; SeeSharp

What about the steering wheel?


18 posted on 06/30/2014 4:04:52 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Are you assuming that all people have exactly ten fingers and two feet and all cars have four wheels?

That's RACIST!

19 posted on 06/30/2014 4:05:19 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I don't feel obligated to provide you with a non-boring gun.)
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To: SeeSharp

So, I don’t get it. What concept is being taught by drawing little circles with dots inside? Do you then count to get the answer? It seems to me that this has nothing to do with thinking critically.


20 posted on 06/30/2014 4:06:58 AM PDT by BoomerBabe
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To: BobL

Sounds like a boon for the manufacturers and sales agents of graphing (expensive) calculators. Gonna turn this exonomy around on the backs of our kids!


21 posted on 06/30/2014 4:07:38 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: SeeSharp

I would have flunked 3rd grade for using the methods on that worksheet. Counting on your fingers was a strict no no.


22 posted on 06/30/2014 4:09:38 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic
"One size fits all" does not work for most things but especially education.

Imagine, if you will, a restaurant that most children had to go to for the majority of their meals...Now imagine that it was run by the government.

Kids gonna' love the food?

Their should be thousands of different schools across the nation just as there are restaurants.

Education is far too important to be left to government for obvious reasons.

23 posted on 06/30/2014 4:10:51 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Historians will refer to this administration as "The Half-Black Plague.")
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To: abclily
They cannot memorize, but they can count.

Technically, being able to count implies one is able to memorize as counting requires knowledge of ordinality.

24 posted on 06/30/2014 4:11:21 AM PDT by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: afraidfortherepublic

25 posted on 06/30/2014 4:14:30 AM PDT by ZinGirl (kids in college....can't afford a tagline right now)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

1. 25X10 Don’t they teach the kids that when you multiply by 10 just add a zero to the back end of the number ???

Thus 25 becomes 250 and youre finished ...

2. 6X4 or 6X? While people are suggesting that not all the cars might be a four wheeler has anyone considered that many of those cars will also have a spare wheel ???

3. 30X2 or 30X? My first thought also. What if Johnny looks around at his friend Gus who lost a leg during that last suicide bombing at the local mall by (the people who must not be mentioned) and wonders if he should count Gus’ missing leg or not ??? Should he ask the teacher to clarify ??? Or would that be racist ???


26 posted on 06/30/2014 4:26:44 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: afraidfortherepublic

3. sorry that should have been 30/2 or 30/? or something I don’t have a division symbol key..


27 posted on 06/30/2014 4:29:56 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: SeeSharp

I’m assuming that all the kids have excellent reading & comprehension skills to start with.


28 posted on 06/30/2014 4:30:56 AM PDT by FES0844
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To: afraidfortherepublic

By 3rd grade we had mastered “mental Arithmetic”

and we also didn’t count on our fingers..

there was no time

the teacher was on to the next question...


29 posted on 06/30/2014 4:32:18 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: afraidfortherepublic

There are 44 ways to add two numbers together and all of them are correct. There are 38 ways to subtract, and again all of them obtain the same answer.
Some of the methods are easy and obvious, and others are not so intuitive, but do get the job done.
I don’t know much about common core, but from others I’ve talked to, it seems they have picked the most ambiguous methods for our children to learn.


30 posted on 06/30/2014 4:32:26 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Unarmed people cannot defend themselves. America is no longer a Free Country.)
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To: ZinGirl

31 posted on 06/30/2014 4:37:30 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: afraidfortherepublic

LOL...naa, actually nearly all the complaints about the curriculum used with Common Core deal with crap that’s been out there for DECADES prior to Common Core (like Everyday Math)...and those curriculums (as I call them) DEMANDED calculators from an early age, sometimes in Kindergarten. So nothing new here.

The difference is that now we have a HUGE RED TARGET to shoot at - we can blame all the crap, in all the curriculums, on Common Core and make the liberals scurry around like a bunch of cockroaches after turning the light on.


32 posted on 06/30/2014 4:41:18 AM PDT by BobL
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To: Tennessee Nana
3. sorry that should have been 30/2 or 30/? or something I don’t have a division symbol key..
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33 posted on 06/30/2014 4:48:42 AM PDT by Mycroft Holmes (The fool is always greater than the proof.)
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To: Mycroft Holmes

Ah Sherlock’s brother....


34 posted on 06/30/2014 4:50:10 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

More a friend of Adam Selene.


35 posted on 06/30/2014 4:51:32 AM PDT by Mycroft Holmes (The fool is always greater than the proof.)
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To: SeeSharp

It’s the process they make them go through that’s grueling - g-forbid they should memorize the times tables.

Instead, they make them group and count - multiplication is supposed to be an easy way to find out how many, rather than counting each one.


36 posted on 06/30/2014 4:51:54 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: SeeSharp
I wasn’t taught multiplication or division until the third grade.

Neither are these kids. That's the problem. The common core is trying so hard to teach the kids the why behind the how and some kids just aren't ready to wrap their brains around the why, although they're perfectly capable of the how. Teach them the how, i.e. have them memorize their math facts and then worry about the word problems.

Kids are supposed to do those problems with pictures. Draw four lines for each car and count up the total. It's a stupid waste of time.

37 posted on 06/30/2014 4:54:48 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: abclily

schools have de-emphasized memorization for many years. Learning multiplication tables disappeared from the class room long ago. However, IMO memorizing the tables sure helps in your life ahead.


38 posted on 06/30/2014 4:56:56 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: ZinGirl

LOL. That’s funny.


39 posted on 06/30/2014 5:05:36 AM PDT by flaglady47 (Oppressors can tyranize only w/a standing army-enslaved press-disarmed populace)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

It’s another way to separate kids from their parents and make them dependent on their government school teachers. Mom and Dad can’t help them. Makes parents look stupid.


40 posted on 06/30/2014 5:24:48 AM PDT by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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To: informavoracious

Ive watched my grandchildren doing Math homework and I told them that I had no idea what they were doing and why did they make it hard on themselves...

at first I couldn’t believe “the teacher told them to do it that way and I didn’t know how to do Math”


41 posted on 06/30/2014 5:30:37 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Labyrinthos

Don’t forget the spare tire


42 posted on 06/30/2014 5:34:10 AM PDT by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

That was my problem with the problem! The assumption of no physically challenged people in the question was disgustingly politically incorrect, lol.


43 posted on 06/30/2014 5:35:10 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: informavoracious
It’s another way to separate kids from their parents and make them dependent on their government school teachers. Mom and Dad can’t help them. Makes parents look stupid.

Exactly
One of my kids grew up during the " New Math" debacle. What a mess . Parents couldn't help their kids, the concept was stupid and had no justification.
Adding in base eight.???

44 posted on 06/30/2014 5:40:41 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: Tennessee Nana

Hubby is a math major, taught it 20 yrs in Jr College, as remedial math to A/B Memphis city HS grads before they could take his electronics and computer science courses. They have so screwed up the system it no where resembles what we learned if you are over 40.

Why make a simple problem complicated? To have poorly educated people of course. I am tired of having to PRINT info because the 20 something can’t read cursive. I mastered in the 4th grade.


45 posted on 06/30/2014 5:41:03 AM PDT by GailA (IF you fail to keep your promises to the Military, you won't keep them to Citizens!)
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To: informavoracious

BINGO!

Everything a Marxofascist advocates is to corrupt the nation spiritually, culturally, and politically.


46 posted on 06/30/2014 5:43:08 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: Alberta's Child

Yep! STD.

The purpose of sex ed is to destroy the child’s natural and protective modesty.


47 posted on 06/30/2014 5:44:56 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: ZinGirl
Notice the “White” name of Tracy.

I bet the wouldn't have used the name...hm?...Lutisha.

48 posted on 06/30/2014 5:47:05 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: abclily

This kind of begs the question, will some future nuclear scientist in order to answer the president’s question as to how bad the devastation will be, have to draw 741 nuclear incoming missiles before he can adequately explain it to the president?


49 posted on 06/30/2014 5:50:33 AM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

which students are asked to critique a phantom child’s thinking
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My bet:

1) Most of the phantom children who are wrong have “white” names.

2) The phantom children who are right have Black or Hispanic names.

Just my guess. Hopefully, someone with the means and skill will check into it.


50 posted on 06/30/2014 5:51:46 AM PDT by wintertime
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