Posted on 06/30/2014 2:17:27 PM PDT by Red Badger
You will make a fine serf, your master be be proud and feed you well.
No, my conclusion preceded the two points that LEOs must remain in control. The “drunk” anecdote is a real-world concern that is relevant when it involves uncooperative individuals. The LEO must never be in situation where s/he’s not in control.
If they have a ticketable infraction, you have a choice. Either you provide ID so they can ticket you, or they can detain you until they can establish your identity. If they can’t establish your identity they can hold you until you go to court. The difference between this incident and the one you are talking about is here there was an infraction, jaywalking.
She could have simply handed over her ID, taken the ticket, and fought it later. That’s what a normal person would do. Her sense of entitlement was that she felt the normal rules didn’t apply to her and she could just blow the officer off because she’s a professor of cultural studies. Leftist academics all have a sense of entitlement, which is why they think they know better than ordinary people how they should live their lives.
She was civil up until the point she was manhandled by the Barney.....................
Just think this is in Arizona where at the very same time the police are ignoring all the illegals flooding their state, but then harassing citizens for jay walking???
So while the State is being flooded with illegals and the police are ignoring it. You think this is okay for police to bust citizens for jay walking? I see cops and people jay walking all the time and NOTHING is ever said or done. This is complete B.S.
Don’t you see the hypocrisy? Theses cops are picking and choosing which laws to enforce and which to ignore. Jay walking is not a crime anyhow. No one is hurt. It’s a ninny state jackboot law that does not server or protect. It only harasses citizens and robs them of their money. It’s a joke. How many hard criminals do you know that are in prison for jay walking?
I watched the video. The campus cop was out of line. A “normal” cop wouldn’t have escalated this to throwing her on the ground for jaywalking.
I don’t care what her job is or her political persuasion. That doesn’t change my opinion of this event.
D@mn right...she was jaywalking! She got off easy! Shoot her next time!
(/moron)
The difference is that the cop is issued a badge, a car, and a gun.
It's reasonable to expect that he will be restrained in his use of same, to avoid "You have got to be kidding me!" moments.
A campus cop with an attitude? Who heard of such a thing?
[ Dear Professor, You are a chump, you need to start behaving like one or the boot will come down on your throat harder next time....
D@mn right...she was jaywalking! She got off easy! Shoot her next time!
(/moron) ]
I always feel like a chump every damned time I hear ANY story about Politicians Pandering to illegals, I think, what the hell am I doing being a citizen and all, following the rules so i can get even more screwed BY the government for good behavior when they seem to bend over backwards for violent criminal illegal aliens and drunken driving illegals...
If I only had a Matricular ID Card and Mexican plants I could avoid getting pulled over for going 2 MPH over the speed limit while getting passed by a beat up truck full of unsecured tools in the back that could go flying out everywhere an obvious safety hazard.....
I guess the cops gotta make an example of us “Law Abiding citizens” because they gotta keep us ants in line...
I'm not even sure she was jaywalking given the fact that the closest intersection/cross-walk was under construction. A cop who isn't trying to be a dick would have simply said, "Mame, for your own safety, please cross the street as close to the intersection as you can. Have a nice evening."
First, you don’t see what happened before the video, and when it starts they are already struggling. To me it looks like he was trying to detain her, and she was resisting. So he wasn’t “throwing her on the ground for jaywalking”. It was already way past that point. The officer had every right to ticket her for jaywalking, and if she didn’t cooperate by providing an ID, he had the right to detain her. It seems pretty clear she was physically resisting arrest when the video starts. And I don’t care what she was wearing at the time.
“Maybe instead of asking “Am I being detained,” the first question one should ask is “Are you going to read me my rights first?”
Excellent observation. After asking: “Am I being detained”, next question “are you going to read me my rights” seems appropriate. The right to remain silent would have been asserted. It seems in this case, her right to remain silent would have been a good idea, instead of escalating the confrontation, which she did. It’s rarely a good idea to say anything more than the very minimum to cops.
“In Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of the State of Nevada (2004), a majority of the high court agreed that refusing to answer when a policeman asks “What’s your name?” can rightfully be considered a crime under Nevada’s “stop and identify” statute. No longer will Americans, even those not suspected of or charged with any crime, have the right to remain silent when stopped and questioned by a police officer.”
An excellent point, with a few key differences:
1. The Cop can't ask the criminal, illegal alien for ID lest the Eric Holder InJustice Department file a lawsuit;
2. The Cop wouldn't dare stop the criminal illegal alien in the first place;
3. The criminal, illegal alien has special protections thanks to the Eric Holder In-Justice Department that you and I don't have;
4. The criminal, illegal alien would never have gotten arrested and put in jail. Hell, the criminal, illegal alien won't even be deported back home!
But it's all ok, at least the cop made it home safe that night,right?
Agree. Cop completely over-reacted and escalated the situation unnecessarily. There's a cop who needs to be fired and prosecuted for assault on that woman. There was no legitimate reason or him to fling her to the ground. She's lucky she wasn't more seriously hurt by that action.
[ But it’s all ok, at least the cop made it home safe that night,right? ]
Physically safe, but he went home with mental stress for having to deal with a non-compliant “subject” who thought they had something called “rights”
English professor, huh.
The cop should have tazed her too.
The question then becomes, can a person make an equal protection case against the state?
We already know what happens of a policeman stops an illegal alien who doesn't have identification. Chances are that the policeman will let the person go instead of having to deal with the nightmare of paperwork dealing with all of the immigration agencies and interest groups, which will just release the person anyway.
However, a citizen gets an entirely harsher treatment.
-PJ
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