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Understanding the Guard’s Duty Status (put them on the border?)
ngaus.org ^ | 7-2014

Posted on 07/03/2014 7:44:55 PM PDT by doug from upland

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To: smokingfrog; ansel12
The only orders 0bama could claim to be enforcing would be his own.

Under the law, that would be sufficient.

21 posted on 07/03/2014 8:38:41 PM PDT by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: GeronL
We may have reached the point where that is the only way to restore some measure of sanity.

Of course it would be the end of the Republic, but that may be over in any event.

22 posted on 07/03/2014 8:39:42 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: GeronL

That would set off a second civil war, and it’s the federal authorities who possess the WMD’s and the will to use them on their enemies, foreign and domestic.


23 posted on 07/03/2014 8:40:30 PM PDT by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: smokingfrog

I think that is the major problem, Texas does not want to pay for the activated Guard salaries knowing that they will not be paid back. Also, there would be a command crisis if Obama ordered them to stand-down. I don’t think Perry wants to go that far. Still, he could call up the State Guard or Sheriff’s posses to police the border.


24 posted on 07/03/2014 8:42:32 PM PDT by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: smokingfrog

As Commander in Chief, he can federalize the Guard to take it away from state activities and control.


25 posted on 07/03/2014 8:43:29 PM PDT by ansel12 (( Rand Paul---What a tragedy if America wouldn't have gotten to see Barack Obama as a leader.)
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To: Publius

I highly doubt that anyone would nuke Texas. Besides, if Texas goes other states will, but good timing for Obama, Virginia has a Dem Governor right now.


26 posted on 07/03/2014 8:45:15 PM PDT by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: doug from upland; smokingfrog
The Republican governors of TX, AZ & NM need to grow some balls, declare a state of emergency and deploy their NG to the border and not let anyone across.

when soetoro tries to take command they say "screw you".

Obviously soetoro cares nothing about the Constitution or the rule of law and is purposely undermining the Republic.

It is treason and this is for real.

27 posted on 07/03/2014 8:45:52 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where?)
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To: ClayinVA

The Texas State Guard would be pretty much useless.

At least if 0bama ordered the NG to stand down, he would show his true colors. His approval ratings are already in the tank, and if he pulled such a stunt, they’d drop to near zero.

Maybe the congress critters wouldn’t be so timid to impeach a president nobody seems to like anyway.


28 posted on 07/03/2014 8:50:53 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Eagles6
when soetoro tries to take command they say "screw you".

If Obama took control, then those Guardsmen would be U.S. Army units, they wouldn't care what the governor said to them.

29 posted on 07/03/2014 8:55:49 PM PDT by ansel12 (( Rand Paul---What a tragedy if America wouldn't have gotten to see Barack Obama as a leader.)
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To: doug from upland

Why put them on the borde? They will have no authority whatsoever to apprehend or detain illegals. They won’t even be allowed to repel Mexican Cartel paramilitaries


30 posted on 07/03/2014 8:57:58 PM PDT by Ajnin (Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinion of sheep.)
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To: smokingfrog
0bama might even order the National Guard to stand down. Then what?

Then he would show his true colors and even more Americans could see what he is up to.

It would be militia time.

31 posted on 07/03/2014 9:00:41 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: doug from upland

I doesn’t matter, when the NG is on the border they are not allowed to be armed and I would not ask anyone to serve here that is not armed. They are also not allowed to actually stop anyone, they have to hand anyone they might encounter to Border Patrol. Putting the NG on the border is theater, that is all. If it worked like it should it would be a great idea.


32 posted on 07/03/2014 9:01:24 PM PDT by Tammy8
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To: smokingfrog

Since, as a taxpayer, I am going to pay for all these illegals to be in Texas, I would not mind my tax dollars being used to keep them out. I also would not mind if Texas used a chunk of its Rainy Day fund to pay for the Guard. I would rather use the money for that purpose than to keep funding the worthless public schools and their union or to fund even more welfare payments than we already are.

I do wonder how many minutes it would take Obama to tell them to stand down and what the fallout from that decision would be. Of course if New Mexico and Arizona did this at the same time it could certainly change the political landscape pretty quick.

Just wish Perry would do it to force Obama’s hand.


33 posted on 07/03/2014 9:05:25 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: doug from upland

All I know is that when Bush put the NG on the border illegal traffic stopped almost overnight.


34 posted on 07/03/2014 9:12:03 PM PDT by tiki
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To: Publius
Think in terms of what Eisenhower did in Little Rock in 1957 when he feared that the Arkansas National Guard might refuse his orders and obey Gov. Orval Faubus instead.

That's a different situation. In that case the governor was breaking the federal law. In this case it is Obama who is not heeding the laws.

If the president decided to intervene, he would be creating a showdown with the people (the state). Us, not Congress.

The Guard would follow the law, but obama would broadcast his desire loud and clear that he demands the illegal invaders be allowed to continue unabated vs protecting our borders from the invasion.

Even lo-fo's couldn't ignore that. It would be a political disaster for him.
35 posted on 07/03/2014 9:15:25 PM PDT by Girlene (Hey NSA!)
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To: smokingfrog

Personally, I think we are all screwed as no one has the guts to put their foot down. This circus is going to go on till Nov 2016 and then the real fun will be begin.


36 posted on 07/03/2014 9:30:31 PM PDT by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: Ajnin
Why put them on the borde? They will have no authority whatsoever to apprehend or detain illegals. They won’t even be allowed to repel Mexican Cartel paramilitaries.

Point well taken.

Border-crossers are now seeking out "the green uniforms" and essentially surrendering to them. They want to be taken into custody.

They know that Obama's policy of "deferred action" means that, in time, they'll be released into the population and told to return for a court date. Fat chance.

In particular, the Unaccompanied Alien Children (UAC) from countries other than Mexico cannot be refused entry. By law, they must be taken into custody -- where they become subject to "deferred action".

What are the National Guard...or State Guard...or DPS...or county sheriffs to do? Other than assist the BP in rounding up the border-crossers? Under current law, they cannot repel them.


37 posted on 07/03/2014 9:44:49 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance on parade.)
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To: ansel12

NG don’t transform into Army as far as I know. He could put them under federal control but Rule of law and the Constitution don’t matter to soetoro so why should it matter to the governors or us for that matter?


38 posted on 07/03/2014 10:20:35 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where?)
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To: doug from upland

We the people are the Militia. The Guard is the Federally recognized Militia. SAD and Title 32 gives the Militia law enforcement capability. When the Guard was put “on the border” before, I don’t think they were called up under either provision so they could not do law enforcement. If there is a question, they also could be deputized. There are a lot of unemployed people that would be glad for some sort of paycheck under SAD. Unemployed ex-military and ex-law enforcement (or retired) come on down. We will set up a paid rotation schedule that fits your needs. Bring your own weapon and ammo; we will provide a chair, food, drink and regular breaks. Just a suggestion.


39 posted on 07/03/2014 11:36:08 PM PDT by Revolutionary ("Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition!")
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To: doug from upland

The problem with the state Governor calling out the guard for duty on the border is two-fold:

1. How long can these folks stay away from jobs and family since the duty of guarding the border in the absence of Federal actions to defend the border of the country seems to be off the table?

2.Is there any guarantee that the State will be reimbursed for conducting an action that is properly the concern of the Federal government but contrary to the President’s policy on illegal entry into the country?


40 posted on 07/04/2014 9:16:25 AM PDT by wildbill
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