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Understanding the Guard’s Duty Status (put them on the border?)
ngaus.org ^ | 7-2014

Posted on 07/03/2014 7:44:55 PM PDT by doug from upland

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Someone may know. Can a governor get the guard from his state on the border or can Obama stop it?


1 posted on 07/03/2014 7:44:55 PM PDT by doug from upland
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To: doug from upland

Because the President is the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States, he possesses the power to federalize any National Guard unit and place it under his direct command. He could the order the National Guard unit to enforce his will, and any attempt to refuse his orders would be mutiny, punishable under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.


2 posted on 07/03/2014 7:48:57 PM PDT by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: Publius

So this doesn’t apply?

State Active Duty (SAD)

The Governor can activate National Guard personnel to “State Active Duty” in response to natural or man-made disasters or Homeland Defense missions. SAD is based on State statue and policy as well as State funds. Soldiers and Airmen remain under the command and control of the Governor.


3 posted on 07/03/2014 7:51:52 PM PDT by doug from upland (Obama and the leftists - destroying our country one day at a time)
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To: doug from upland
The National Guard is under the direction of the state's governor unless the President federalizes the Guard. Then the Guard reports to the President.

A good example is when Presidents Eisenhower and Kennedy federalized National Guard units in the Southern states to enforce integration, rather than enforce segregation, as the governors of Arkansas and Alabama intended.

4 posted on 07/03/2014 7:55:11 PM PDT by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: Publius; doug from upland

Here is your example from 1954.

“On May 17, 1954, the United States Supreme Court ruled that racial segregation of public schools was unconstitutional in the United States. That ruling would focus the spotlight of national attention in the United States upon the Arkansas National Guard and the Integration of Central High School. The Arkansas National Guard was drawn into the conflict when Governor Orval Faubus ordered them to “Preserve the Peace” by turning away the black students who were attempting to integrate into Little Rock’s Central High School. President Dwight D. Eisenhower reacted to this use of the Guard to foil the court-ordered integration by federalizing the entire Arkansas National Guard and using it to protect the nine black students integrating Central High School.”


5 posted on 07/03/2014 8:00:56 PM PDT by ansel12 (( Rand Paul---What a tragedy if America wouldn't have gotten to see Barack Obama as a leader.)
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To: ansel12

The actual Arkansas Guard events happened in 1957.

“By order of the president, the National Guard was thus directed to support the integration rather than block it as the units had been before. On the 24th [1957], elements of the 101st Airborne Division began arriving at Little Rock to provide additional support and took up positions around Central High.”


6 posted on 07/03/2014 8:05:30 PM PDT by ansel12 (( Rand Paul---What a tragedy if America wouldn't have gotten to see Barack Obama as a leader.)
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To: ansel12; doug from upland

Eisenhower also deployed the 101st Airborne to Little Rock with bayonets drawn to “adjust the attitudes” of the Arkansas National Guard and the white citizens of Little Rock.


7 posted on 07/03/2014 8:07:42 PM PDT by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: ansel12

Yes, but the law has changed since then. Faubus was “preserving the peace.” In this case, it appears that the governor can act “in response to natural or man-made disasters or Homeland Defense missions.” This is clearly a Homeland Defense mission. I don’t think this has ever been tested. It almost looks like the case can be made that they are under command and control of the governor in that circumstance.


8 posted on 07/03/2014 8:07:58 PM PDT by doug from upland (Obama and the leftists - destroying our country one day at a time)
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To: doug from upland
They are under the command of the governor unless and until the president signs the order that federalizes them and places them under his control. The governor at that point has no recourse, and the guard units must obey the president.
9 posted on 07/03/2014 8:11:05 PM PDT by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: doug from upland

I guess a Governor can tell the Guard what to do, until their Commander in Chief tells them differently.


10 posted on 07/03/2014 8:12:51 PM PDT by ansel12 (( Rand Paul---What a tragedy if America wouldn't have gotten to see Barack Obama as a leader.)
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To: ansel12

Bingo!


11 posted on 07/03/2014 8:13:09 PM PDT by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: Publius

ok


12 posted on 07/03/2014 8:14:07 PM PDT by doug from upland (Obama and the leftists - destroying our country one day at a time)
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To: doug from upland

I think the governor could activate the National Guard to protect the border, but it’s doubtful he could get the federal government to pay for it or provide any support.

0bama might even order the National Guard to stand down. Then what?


13 posted on 07/03/2014 8:15:47 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: doug from upland

The National Guard and the Air National Guard are components of the Federal Reserves subject to the orders of the Federal commander-in-chief when on Federal active duty, but they are also subject to orders of the Federal commander-in-chief under certain limited circumstances established by decisions of the Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS).

State Defense Forces were supposed to be a state military or naval force which cannot be commissioned into Federal service like the Natonal Guard or Air National Guard, but the SCOTUS decisions still permit the Federal commander-in-chief to command the State Defense Forces under the Constitution’s provision for the President to command the militia operating in active state service and not active Federal service.

See the Wikipedia articel about State defense force:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Defense_Forces


14 posted on 07/03/2014 8:18:12 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: smokingfrog

Well that would be an interesting situation. I would like to see a governor start the ball rolling. Who’s got the guts to do it.


15 posted on 07/03/2014 8:28:54 PM PDT by Girlene (Hey NSA!)
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To: smokingfrog

He could do what Eisenhower did.


16 posted on 07/03/2014 8:30:13 PM PDT by ansel12 (( Rand Paul---What a tragedy if America wouldn't have gotten to see Barack Obama as a leader.)
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To: Girlene; smokingfrog
It would be interesting the way a live hand grenade is interesting.

The refusal of a federalized National Guard unit to obey the Commander-in-Chief would constitute mutiny, punishable under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. The President would have no choice but to send in the Regular Army or Marines to bend the Guard unit to his will.

Think in terms of what Eisenhower did in Little Rock in 1957 when he feared that the Arkansas National Guard might refuse his orders and obey Gov. Orval Faubus instead.

17 posted on 07/03/2014 8:34:23 PM PDT by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: ansel12

Eisenhower was enforcing federal court orders.

The only orders 0bama could claim to be enforcing would be his own.


18 posted on 07/03/2014 8:36:48 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Publius

Better yet, send the National Guard to DC and institute some American Regime Change


19 posted on 07/03/2014 8:37:58 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: doug from upland

We need a constitutional amendment that says that the Guard can be federalized only by an act of Congress. If the President needs more troops fast, he can call up the reserves.

The Guard must stay under state control unless called up by Congress. This would by a check against Presidential tyranny.


20 posted on 07/03/2014 8:38:12 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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