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The Forgotten Flag of the American Revolution and What It Means
nationalreview.com ^ | 7/4/2014 | Daniel Hannan

Posted on 07/04/2014 7:53:48 AM PDT by rktman

We all know the story of American independence, don’t we? A rugged frontier people became increasingly tired of being ruled by a distant elite. A group calling themselves Patriots were especially unhappy about being taxed by a parliament in which they were unrepresented. When, in 1775, British Redcoats tried to repress them, a famous Patriot called Paul Revere rode through the night across eastern Massachusetts, crying “The British are coming!” The shots that were fired the next day began a war for independence which culminated the following year in the statehouse in Philadelphia, when George Washington and others, meeting under Betsy Ross’s gorgeous flag, signed the Declaration of Independence.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 4thofjuly; citizens; history; independenceday; partiots; therevolution
A little additional history lesson from Mr. Hannan. Stuff we don't/didn't know or were never taught.
1 posted on 07/04/2014 7:53:48 AM PDT by rktman
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To: rktman
I love his ending paragraph;

The Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution that followed, distilled and fortified the principles on which British exceptionalism had rested since the Great Charter. No Briton can be unmoved when he stands in the room where those sublime documents were signed. Their promise is why large parts of the world remain prosperous, free, and self-governing. That is the gift of the English-speaking peoples to the rest of the human race. It is why, taking the bad along with the good, we say, on this of all days, God bless America.

— Daniel Hannan writes for the Telegraph and is author of Inventing Freedom: How the English-Speaking Peoples Made the Modern World.

2 posted on 07/04/2014 8:01:21 AM PDT by SES1066 (Quality, Speed or Economical - Any 2 of 3 except in government - 1 at best but never #3!)
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To: rktman

The British didn’t like their German King anymore than we did, we just had the guts and ability to do something about it. Had the House of Commons followed our lead, we would still be British to this day.


3 posted on 07/04/2014 8:03:17 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: rktman
We all know the story of American independence, don’t we?

Only those of us over 60.

4 posted on 07/04/2014 8:07:25 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: centurion316
Had the House of Commons followed our lead, we would still be British to this day.

But we'd only be 13 States instead of 50.

The Mississippi Basin would be populated with French Speaking Cheese Eaters and the Western United States would be part of the Republic of Mexico.

5 posted on 07/04/2014 8:10:20 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: P-Marlowe
"Western United States would be part of the Republic of Mexico. "

Uh, that's what it is now.

6 posted on 07/04/2014 8:14:01 AM PDT by eCSMaster ("It is not the color of his skin, ... it is the blackness that fills his soul")
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To: rktman

Nice!


7 posted on 07/04/2014 8:14:51 AM PDT by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: rktman

Good stuff. Thanks for posting! I enjoy reading your daily flag columns - they are informative and enjoyable to read. Happy Independence Day to you!


8 posted on 07/04/2014 8:15:47 AM PDT by FrdmLvr ("WE ARE ALL OSAMA, 0BAMA!" al-Qaeda terrorists who breached the American compound in Benghazi)
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To: centurion316

‘In the later part of his life, George III suffered from recurrent, and eventually permanent, mental illness.’
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_III_of_the_United_Kingdom

Liberalism is a mental disorder.


9 posted on 07/04/2014 8:16:30 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: rktman
Paul Revere did NOT shout the "British" are coming. At that point, most of the colonists still considered themselves British, and Revere would have shouted that the regulars are out.

And anyway, Revere didn't get far. Prescott is the one who should get credit for raising the alarm. Too bad his named doesn't rhyme with anything.

10 posted on 07/04/2014 8:18:22 AM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Asperges me, Domine, hyssopo et mundabor, Lavabis me, et super nivem dealbabor.)
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To: P-Marlowe; Chode; SgtBob; nascarnation; B4Ranch; prisoner6; happydogx2; tubebender; ...

You can drop that number down to at least 52 Please.

That said We are the LAST Generation that does.

4th of July PING!


11 posted on 07/04/2014 8:20:56 AM PDT by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!! Once again dingy hairball, STFU!!! You corrupt POS!!!)
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To: rktman

The forgotten flag, is An Appeal to Heaven, which displayed a tall pine tree.


12 posted on 07/04/2014 8:20:59 AM PDT by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Hmmm. Prescott. Mascot, dreadnaught, biskott. Thankfully for everyone, I’m no poet, and I know it. ;>}


13 posted on 07/04/2014 8:21:01 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: P-Marlowe

That’s certainly a possible outcome, but it depends on an assumption that a Britain free of the Hanoverians, or at least of George III would have continued to enforce the restrictions on Westward expansion.

An equally plausible outcome would be a politically independent America, operating as a member of a British Commonwealth as begin to emerge in the following century. In that case, not only would the West be in the fold, but all of British America including Canada, the Caribbean, and Central America would be united under the Grand Union flag.


14 posted on 07/04/2014 8:21:07 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Compared to what is considered normal today with gov surveillance, taxes on literally everything (MA has a tax on a tax on liquor, I've been told), the requirement to register everything, the PC-police making sure nobody looks cross-eyed at dudes in thongs canoodling in the streets...Farmer George would have been an easy yoke indeed.

Amazing how times change. Makes you wonder HOW we got so far from our founding principles without the vast majority of people even taking the slightest notice.

15 posted on 07/04/2014 8:22:14 AM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Asperges me, Domine, hyssopo et mundabor, Lavabis me, et super nivem dealbabor.)
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To: mabarker1

How about dropping the number to 50.


16 posted on 07/04/2014 8:26:39 AM PDT by defconw (LUTFA!)
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To: mabarker1
Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence?

Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before they died.

Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned. Two lost their sons serving n the Revolutionary Army; another had two sons captured.

Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War.

They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor.

What kind of men were they?

Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well educated.

But they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured.

Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags.

Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward.


Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton.

At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson Jr, noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. He quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt.

Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months.

John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished. A few weeks later he died from exhaustion and a broken heart.

Norris and Livingston suffered similar fates. Such were the stories and sacrifices of the American Revolution. These were not wild-eyed, rabble-rousing ruffians. They were soft-spoken men of means and education. They had security, but they valued liberty more.

Standing tall, straight, and unwavering, they pledged: "For the support of this declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of the divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other, our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor."

They gave you and me a free and independent America. The history books never told you a lot about what happened in the Revolutionary War.

We didn't just fight the British. We were British subjects and we fought our own government! Some of us take our liberties for granted, forgetting they were won by the "militia" against an overbearing central government bent on robbing individuals of basic rights to speech, self-defense, and personal property.

Be sure to take a few minutes while enjoying your 4th of July holiday to silently thank these patriots and resolve never to give away the freedoms they died to secure. It's not too much to ask for the price they paid.
17 posted on 07/04/2014 8:27:44 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: rktman

The American Flag Daily: The First American Flag

http://www.dailyflag.us/2014/06/flag-history-first-american-flag.html

Follow The American Flag Daily on Twitter @Jason Zinzilieta


18 posted on 07/04/2014 8:31:48 AM PDT by Master Zinja
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To: Chode

To your average hipster on the internet, these guys don’t exist, and they were racists anyway. Also, we would be better of as a British colony because they have better TV shoes and free healthcare.

I’m not making that up! That’s crap I’ve seen on websites today.


19 posted on 07/04/2014 8:33:29 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: rktman

The comments are worth reading. They temper the author’s argument that the Declaration etc are all borrowed from English history and thus not unique.


20 posted on 07/04/2014 8:34:38 AM PDT by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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To: defconw

LOL, I was gonna then I remembered that I was 52;(


21 posted on 07/04/2014 8:36:28 AM PDT by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!! Once again dingy hairball, STFU!!! You corrupt POS!!!)
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To: VanDeKoik
may these people all rot from stomach cancer like the cancer on the country that they are...
22 posted on 07/04/2014 8:38:01 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Chode

Yes. Though most don’t or never bothered to look it up.

I’m already broke so...

Happy 4th!!!!!


23 posted on 07/04/2014 8:38:45 AM PDT by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!! Once again dingy hairball, STFU!!! You corrupt POS!!!)
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To: rktman

bump for I never knew some of this


24 posted on 07/04/2014 8:39:17 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: defconw

I bid 49.


25 posted on 07/04/2014 8:40:06 AM PDT by sopwith (LIVE FREE OR DIE)
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To: P-Marlowe

I’m 51 and know. And have taught my kids. Now working on the next generation with the help of the Rush Revere books


26 posted on 07/04/2014 8:40:20 AM PDT by Mom MD
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To: mabarker1
happy hotdogs, it's INDEPENDENCE DAY!!! 8^)
27 posted on 07/04/2014 8:45:18 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Chode
Chode said: "We were British subjects and we fought our own government! "

This is the understanding that many people miss. The Second Amendment only makes sense with this in mind. The right of the people to keep and bear arms is a check against tyranny from all levels of government.

28 posted on 07/04/2014 8:47:19 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: William Tell
100%! it was NEVER about hunting...
29 posted on 07/04/2014 8:51:25 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: knarf

Never too late to learn a little something more.


30 posted on 07/04/2014 8:58:05 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: sopwith

LOL! Not sure 50 was accepted yet!


31 posted on 07/04/2014 9:10:43 AM PDT by defconw (LUTFA!)
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To: rktman

ping


32 posted on 07/04/2014 9:12:26 AM PDT by gattaca (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left. Ecclesiastes10:2)
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To: William Tell
This is the understanding that many people miss. The Second Amendment only makes sense with this in mind. The right of the people to keep and bear arms is a check against tyranny from all levels of government.

Precisely.

A well controlled army being necessary to the security of a free country, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

You need the army to keep enemies out, you need to control it to keep it (and the government) from becoming the enemy within.

To that purpose the overwhelming number of private citizens, with their arms constitute a deterrent: therefore, the Right must be protected and left uninfringed.

33 posted on 07/04/2014 9:48:21 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: P-Marlowe
"Only those of us over 60."

Perhaps in California...

34 posted on 07/04/2014 9:55:57 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Smokin' Joe said: "A well controlled army being necessary to the security of a free country, ..."

I disagree with this interpretation. A "Well-Regulated Militia" consisted of basically all the people capable of bearing arms. This Militia was not only a check on government tyranny, an oppressive army being one aspect of such tyranny, but also reduced dramatically the necessity of supporting such an army.

The little noticed Third Amendment prohibits the government from forcing citizens to house soldiers during peace time. Such soldiers were sometimes a necessity but always a concern. Reducing the need to maintain such an army was one goal of the Second Amendment.

The relatively recent militarization of police departments is a fearful development and would have been addressed by our Founders if any such police force had existed at the time of the Revolution.

35 posted on 07/04/2014 10:26:17 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: rktman

The founding generation, as praiseworthy, and brilliant, and inspired, and courageous, and self-sacrificial as they were, were not perfect. They themselves fell short of their own timeless words, ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal...’ when it came to slavery, thereby pushing the great judgment for that grave national sin off onto their grandchildren. But before we judge them too harshly for that, perhaps we should look at the beam in our own eye. Not only are we enslaving our grandchildren with debts we cannot possibly repay, we are slaughtering a large portion of this generation under the color of “law.” Will we have the courage to stop this un-American holocaust, and restore adherence to the principles of our Declaration of Independence, and the clear purposes and explicit requirements of our Constitution, or will we curse our own posterity to death, destruction, or, for the survivors of our injustice, servitude? It’s still an open question, one that we had better answer before it is too late. Something important to think about on this Independence Day. God help us.


36 posted on 07/04/2014 10:39:43 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Ultimately, the most important skill of the patriot is marksmanship.)
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To: Chode

They had security, but they valued liberty more.


Amen.


37 posted on 07/04/2014 10:47:11 AM PDT by Jane Long ("And when thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek")
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To: Jane Long
Amen to your Amen...
38 posted on 07/04/2014 1:24:39 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: William Tell
I use the definitions from Barclay's English Dictionary. My edition is from roughly 1814, when George III's son was regent."Militia" is defined as "The Army, in its entirety". I have seen the term regulated used in either the capacity of training or control.

Consider: "If a well-regulated militia be the most natural defense of a free country, it ought certainly to be under the regulation and at the disposal of that body which is constituted the guardian of the national security." From Federalist 29 link

Consider that the Government the colonists overthrew was a system of Military Governorships which used the Army as police.

Controlling a standing Army, actually even whether to have a standing, professional (Federal) army, was discussed in The Federalist Papers, and the conclusion was that the State Militias (each an army under the command of the Governor), and then the People, in their entirety, would be sufficient to counter a professional army by sheer force of numbers, even without martial training, should that professional army seek power. Therein lies the security of a free state: dealing with outside threats by the Navy, the standing (federal army, and such State Militias as might be called forth to deal with the threat, while on the other hand, the People retain, by virtue of sheer numbers and arms, the ability to halt any usurpations by Federal or State forces, should that occur.

I do not make that interpretation capriciously.

With the option of having a Federal Army, the Third Amendment was included to further protect the rights and property of the people.

Keep in mind that until the Bill of Rights was added in, the Constitution would not have been ratified.

(Note that now, simply by declaring an "emergency" those rights are gone via the NDAA, and the government has claimed the power to seize anything we own.)

39 posted on 07/04/2014 2:04:22 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Smokin' Joe said: I use the definitions from Barclay's English Dictionary. My edition is from roughly 1814, when George III's son was regent."Militia" is defined as "The Army, in its entirety".

"Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom? Congress shall have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American ... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the People." -- Tench Coxe, 1788.

Let me repeat: "Congress shall have no power to disarm the militia". Coxe was perhaps using a different dictionary, since the arming or disarming of the army is certainly within the control of Congress.

40 posted on 07/04/2014 2:34:08 PM PDT by William Tell
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