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STEYN: 'WE ARE ENTERING A POST-AMERICAN WORLD'
Breitbart TV ^ | July 4, 2014

Posted on 07/04/2014 11:27:20 AM PDT by Hojczyk

HEWITT: Mike O’Hanlon said this is common sense. Victor Davis Hanson said this reflects the evaporation of American power in the world, and it’s not going to be just Japan. It’s going to be everybody running to get their own guns. What do you think, Mark Steyn?

STEYN: Yes, I tend to agree with that, and Victor is a believer in the American umbrella, which is the situation that’s prevailed since the Second World War, where some of the wealthiest countries in the world like Japan or like Germany were able to not, in a sense, put up the money for their own defense, because America, the American umbrella was over them. Obama, if you learn anything from the last six years, it’s that we are entering the post-American world. And whether you’re an enemy of the United States or an ally of the United States, you’ve got to adjust to that. And I entirely understand why the Japanese would conclude, as the Polish foreign minister concluded a couple of weeks ago, that when it comes to it, the Americans are not going to be there for them. The Royal Australian Navy a couple of years ago held exercises with the Chinese, joint exercises. And I said to a naval officer down there that I know, I said well, didn’t you guys all find that a bit odd? And he said well, this is the reality.

When America withdraws from the Pacific, Japan and Indonesia and Australia and China are all still going to be there, and we’re going to have to deal with the new reality as best we can. Japan is dealing with the post-American world. Poland is. Australia is. Singapore is. That is simply a reality of five years of Obama foreign policy.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: marksteyn; steyn

1 posted on 07/04/2014 11:27:20 AM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk

Video

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/07/04/Steyn-We-Are-Entering-a-Post-American-World


2 posted on 07/04/2014 11:29:13 AM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk

FUBO!


3 posted on 07/04/2014 11:32:55 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Hojczyk
Liberals think America is so terrible that we must withdraw from the world stage and let others make the decisions. They will be surprised by the anarchy that will follow if this happens.

Liberals are very myopic (and stupidly simple-minded).

4 posted on 07/04/2014 11:36:01 AM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: Hojczyk

Locked and loaded. :)


5 posted on 07/04/2014 11:39:19 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: jeffc

They have it in their minds that we are imperialistic

If we were we would own a lot of countries, Iraq would be a colony from which we earned oil money, if it really were all about oil

They subscribe to psychopathic philosophers without thinking it through

America is not what the liberals think it is anymore that the Catholic Church is what about 60% of self identified Catholics think the church is


6 posted on 07/04/2014 11:48:46 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Hojczyk

We aren’t “entering”, the door has already slammed shut behind us. The Party’s over, it’s time to call it a day...


7 posted on 07/04/2014 11:50:52 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (THEY LIVE, and we're the only ones wearing the Sunglasses...)
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim Robinson:

Of course, as a nation we need to have an absolutely reliable military, second to none, and far more powerful than whatever nation is second (China in the near and foreseeable future?), weaponry that makes our enemies cringe in fear, a societal commitment to and honor towards those who serve and have served. That military needs the capability to deploy whenever and wherever genuinely needed in the interests of our own country and those of our best allies. Our politicians need to refrain from overusing that military.

OTOH, this nation is now flat on its back economically as a result of the inconclusive (because of feckless politicians of both parties) Iraq and Afghanistan wars, 5 1/2 years of Obozo's economic insanity designed to destroy this nation and its middle class and to infinitely expand the welfare dependency classes. We are far worse off now than when Ronaldus Maximus succeeded Jimmuh Peanut. We also don't have an obvious Reagan on the horizon.

Therefore, it is a good and necessary thing that Japan, Germany, Poland and others are going to have to step up to the plate and provide their own defense. We need to rebuild US defenses and offensive capability and are now unable to continue to protect mankind under our umbrella for te time being. We probably need to rebuild the core of commanders in each service because I would suspect that Obozo's criteria for forcing retirements and promoting replacements are truly alien to our own and to our nation's interests.

The day will come when we have an American world again but we will then have much stronger allies. In this way, Obozo's evil plans will actually backfire as leftist plans often do.

In the meantime, though we do not deserve it, may God bless the USA and protect it and us from its and our enemies!

Thanks for providing this wonderful forum in these terrible times!

8 posted on 07/04/2014 11:57:42 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em Danno!)
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To: Hojczyk

We also appear to be entering a post-American America.


9 posted on 07/04/2014 12:02:11 PM PDT by greene66
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To: Hojczyk

I’m sure to get some very negative comments about this but here goes...

America’s leaders made some very good as well as poor decisions following World War II. It was a good thing to help rebuild what was destroyed in Europe and Asia. We should have just settled for repayment on those efforts.

It was a bad thing to think we could impose ‘Pax Americana’ on the world. Not so much because it was a bad idea but because our form of government doesn’t have a good record or even means to have a consistent policy from Administration to Administration, be it foreign or domestic. We just change our political leadership way too often for that to occur.

That means in the long run we should have encouraged change we could live with and approve rather than try impose our own ways of doing things on nations around the globe. As we all know now it just backfired on us instead of creating friends and commonality among the nations of the world, all we have done is breed enemies who want nothing more than to make us ‘suffer’ for our ‘crimes’ as a nation.


10 posted on 07/04/2014 12:06:05 PM PDT by The Working Man
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To: Hojczyk

Liberals have destroyed America. Thats the take away


11 posted on 07/04/2014 12:10:00 PM PDT by Viennacon (Rebuke the Repuke!)
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To: jeffc
Liberals think America is so terrible that we must withdraw from the world stage and let others make the decisions. They will be surprised by the anarchy that will follow...

The people at the top aren't idiots like the useful idiots at the bottom... Chaos and anarchy work to their benefit - they know that.

12 posted on 07/04/2014 12:10:09 PM PDT by GOPJ (Why no outrage over IRS targeting? Same reason Pravda didn't make a stink about gulags.FREnterprise)
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To: BlackElk

Yup. We’re going back to pre-WWII complacency. And I’m afraid the results will be the same. We’ll have to scramble (again) to mobilize for yet another inevitable world war within a decade or so. But I don’t know if we’ll be strong enough to pull it off this time. Crying shame that we’ve allowed Obama to destroy our nation so completely.


13 posted on 07/04/2014 12:12:00 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: GOPJ; jeffc

“Liberals think America is so terrible that we must withdraw from the world stage and let others make the decisions. They will be surprised by the anarchy that will follow...”

“The people at the top aren’t idiots like the useful idiots at the bottom... Chaos and anarchy work to their benefit - they know that.”

Yes.

This sentence: “They will be surprised by the anarchy that will follow...”

I think should be: They will be overjoyed by the anarchy that will follow...”


14 posted on 07/04/2014 12:17:14 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: Hojczyk

Earth To Mark Steyn:Your Wake-Up Call Was Late!We Are THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


15 posted on 07/04/2014 12:23:00 PM PDT by bandleader
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To: stanne
They have it in their minds that we are imperialistic
If we were we would own a lot of countries,

I think it turned out to be an Urban Legend, but there was a quote by some American generals that the only land we ever asked for in liberated countries was enough to bury our dead.

That would still make a good comeback or general statement by our side.

16 posted on 07/04/2014 12:24:45 PM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Hojczyk

17 posted on 07/04/2014 12:26:09 PM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: Oatka

That gnarly capitalism, that blasted free choice. That’s how America “oppressed” the world. (Prior to the utter folly of Barack Obama.)


18 posted on 07/04/2014 12:26:12 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Hojczyk

I can see the solution from my porch.

19 posted on 07/04/2014 12:28:04 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: The Working Man

I don’t see anyone mark mentions wanting us to suffer

Just the libs who run our university/government/academic group The chamber of C is just along for the ride along with its group the GOPe

What we gave to Germany to rebuild was a drop in the bucket compared with the bill BO has run up

They don’t hate us, anyway

Radical islam? If wed just stop hating the idea of family, stop taxing the crap out of everyone to the point of driving everyone out of the house, to the workplace and stop worshipping birth control, we could ... And stop send our kids to the government schools run by psychopathic socialists, then we could defend our borders and live in peace

Check the cdc figures. We eliminate far more Americans per year than the 1.5 million by abortion, with birth control

Population problem? What about the tens of millions of Mexicans living here illegally? We allow the chamber of cheap labor to dictate which tens of millions more people are allowed here


20 posted on 07/04/2014 12:28:16 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Oatka

No one is watching dinesh’s movie ??!!

It was Colin Powell

Of course it’s a good comeback. We don’t do comebacks but mows as good a time as any to quit whining, get smart on our founding documents know the bios of our leaders, and proud immigrants and quit being ashamed

We are intimidated by their confidence. We need to just get our own


21 posted on 07/04/2014 12:33:09 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Hojczyk

I don’t think it is necessarily an entirely bad thing. America shouldn’t have to spend more than the rest of the world combined on defence. America’s allies should step up and match America’s per capita spending on defence, not only because it isn’t fair for the Americans to pick up all the slack, but because, as the Obama period has made very clear, the US is only ever an election away from becoming a very unreliable ally...


22 posted on 07/04/2014 12:44:17 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: Hojczyk

China for the first time to participate in the Khaan Quest 2014 multinational peacekeeping exercises in Mongolia

http://www.infomongolia.com/ct/ci/7716

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The Marines were there and the Alaskan National Guard.


23 posted on 07/04/2014 1:33:35 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: GOPJ
Agree.

They remind me of O'Brien (party Dem) and Parsons (naive liberal) from the novel 1984.

24 posted on 07/04/2014 1:35:11 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: The Working Man
I am glad to be in a position that I don’t have to deal with the PC BS anymore. You need an exorcism.
25 posted on 07/04/2014 1:42:26 PM PDT by x_plus_one
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To: Hojczyk

We don’t need an “American world,” but our country and leadership should be much more American in culture and custom than it has become.


26 posted on 07/04/2014 2:51:25 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: JLS

Steyn ping.


27 posted on 07/04/2014 4:08:54 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Hojczyk

I just disagree with the explanation of why obama won—that Americans want a nanny state. The race was Rommeys to lose; remember his lackluster performance during the last debate, where he started praising Obama? If he would have gone after Obama the way Obama went after him, he would have won. He seemed paralyzed. Obama would lie, and he would leave the lie unchallenged.


28 posted on 07/04/2014 7:16:27 PM PDT by odawg
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To: huldah1776
"Khaan Quest"

Sorry, had to be done.

29 posted on 07/04/2014 7:23:27 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: The Working Man
....”our form of government”....

It's the attempts to impose this on other cultures, which cannot adjust their culture to our way of thinking.

It's notable that the mindset of nations we've attempted this with believes ,still, that whoever “wins” has his way.....compromising...give and take is not in their mindset at all. Rather compromise is seen as weakness by many where they understand strength is most significant over all.

Ukraine is a good example as their politicians have yet to understand what democracy is.....thus their Parliament ends up in fist fights all the time. I'll also say that is why it's impossible for Obama to compromise or get Congress to work together....he has the winner takes all mindset that he is King and Congress is suppose to support him.

30 posted on 07/04/2014 7:48:12 PM PDT by caww
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To: PLMerite

LOL Love Kirk. Love my Marine who loves StarTrek, thanks.


31 posted on 07/05/2014 9:31:24 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: TheOldLady; Rummyfan; Howlin; riley1992; Miss Marple; Dane; sinkspur; steve; kattracks; ...

Mark Steyn ping.

Freepmail me, if you want on or off the Mark Steyn ping list.

Thanks for the ping Slings and Arrows.


32 posted on 07/05/2014 9:13:31 PM PDT by JLS
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To: Jim Robinson
Yup. We’re going back to pre-WWII complacency. And I’m afraid the results will be the same.

The death toll will be much higher this time.

33 posted on 07/05/2014 11:30:37 PM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: The Working Man
That means in the long run we should have encouraged change we could live with and approve rather than try impose our own ways of doing things on nations around the globe.

I agree about not "imposing" our own ways, but I have to hesitate as well, because, of course, the rest of the nations around the globe tend to have "ways of doing things" which invariably mean little or no freedom for their people.

Consequently, America's prosperity, opportunity, and military power often engender misplaced jealousy, demonization, and even hysterical fear in other nations and their peoples.

Regardless, it's obvious to me that when Freedom doesn't flourish around the world, problems will arise which eventually impact America.

It seems like we're damned if we do, and damned if we don't, but it's certainly true that the world's peoples' profound need for freedom, opportunity, and security cannot be met simply by depending on the American "umbrella".

The people of the world are going to have to step up, each in their respective countries, see to their OWN security, and eventually seize the Freedom and Opportunity which Americans take for granted as their birthright.

Change we can live with? We still need that here in America, and God knows the rest of the world has a lot of catching up to do. America is an imperfect beacon of light on a distant hill, but it still outshines all others.

34 posted on 07/06/2014 12:08:10 AM PDT by sargon
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To: Hojczyk
Victor Davis Hansen is a brillian author and a wonderful classicist. His book on the Peloponesian War is great. Unfortunately, he did not learn a principal less from it. Athens throughout that war was mistress of the Aegean. Her power was uncontestable. Then she chose to execute the Syracuse adventure, destroyed her fleet in the paradigmatic example of strategic overreach. For that act of hubris she fell from grace and has never amounted to anything since.

Hansen, instead of cheerleading the U.S. Iraqi adventure should have questioned it with all his heart and soul. Controlling land on the other side of the world was beyond our strategic reach and it has set the stage for evertying that has happened since.

Rule of law is coming down now, here, under Obama, because of what George Bush did then, there, in that distant place.

If you read Dinesh D'Souza, you discover that the great gift the British Empire extended was rule of law under British Common Law. We have now abandoned rule of law here, and not just from the left. Common law took a millenia to evolve, from Viking law, Anglo Saxon law and Norman feudal law. It is the received wisdom of the ages that gave us the industrial revolution and all the gifts since. And if you read Scalia, you will discover that as great a jurist as he is, he is no friend of the common law either, bowing to the whims of the state over the centuries of accrued human wisdom.

35 posted on 07/08/2014 6:21:09 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: sargon
the rest of the nations around the globe tend to have "ways of doing things" which invariably mean little or no freedom for their people.

What? Japan, Canada, Europe including now Eastern Europe, Australia, NZ, much of SE Asia, and even Brazil, Chile and Argentina. I am no fan of Putin, but even Putin's Russia is no soviet union if we would just stop standing with our noses hanging over the Russian boarder. The democtratic nations have total control of the oceans and trade routes around the world. The crisis was all created by Bush and Cheney with their unrealistic goals on the one hand, and Obama with his all too realistic if un-American and un-democratic goals on the other.

36 posted on 07/08/2014 6:32:06 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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