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We're No. 1 (and We're Going to Stay That Way) Why the prophets of American decline are wrong.
The Financial Post ^ | July 3, 2014 | Tom Donilon

Posted on 07/04/2014 12:25:14 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

"The United States cannot afford another decline like that which has characterized the past decade and a half.... [O]nly self-delusion can keep us from admitting our decline to ourselves."

-Henry Kissinger, 1961

For all our optimism, Americans have always worried about our place in the world. It's in our DNA, and it helps drive our renewal. To borrow from the great political scientist Samuel Huntington, "[T]he United States is unlikely to decline so long as its public is periodically convinced that it is about to decline. The declinists play an indispensable role in preventing what they are predicting."

When Kissinger wrote the above words in 1961, he did have some valid concerns. At the time, the U.S. economy was struggling to grow its way out of a recession. The Soviet Union had launched the world's first artificial satellite, known as Sputnik, into orbit. The nation went into a panic, thinking we had fallen behind in technological innovation and would soon be outspent and outmatched by Moscow.

And yet the decade and a half that was the subject of Kissinger's fears -- the period from the end of World War II until John F. Kennedy's administration -- is now seen by most historians as an era of unparalleled American economic growth and power. The decade that followed was even more prosperous, ending with the United States, not the Soviet Union, making the first lunar landing. And a mere 30 years after Kissinger wrote those words, the Soviet Union had ceased to exist entirely.

Every 10 years or so, a new bout of profound pessimism has swept the nation. In his fine book, The Myth of America's Decline, the German journalist and author Josef Joffe documents these periodic waves of declinism....

(Excerpt) Read more at foreignpolicy.com ...


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1 posted on 07/04/2014 12:25:14 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thank you for the optimistic article. Much needed.


2 posted on 07/04/2014 12:27:10 PM PDT by Kenny
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Get rid of Obama and the democrat senate and a few dozen corrupt GOPe RINOS and we can start rebuilding!!


3 posted on 07/04/2014 12:28:01 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What can I say except,

CONSIDER THE SOURCE.

4 posted on 07/04/2014 12:28:07 PM PDT by upchuck (Everyday, Joe Wilson becomes more correct!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“HOW LITTLE DO MY COUNTRYMEN KNOW WHAT PRECIOUS BLESSINGS THEY ARE IN POSSESSION OF AND WHICH NO OTHER PEOPLE ON EARTH ENJOY” THOMAS JEFFERSON”


5 posted on 07/04/2014 12:29:05 PM PDT by Broker (Any real cops left? Obama is cultural Sunni)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“The final asset is America’s unique global leadership role. “

This article quotes Madeline Halfbright and Zbig Brezinski like gods of intellect. No doubt we have much, so did Rome. We both have invading hordes too, and an effeminate Emperor.


6 posted on 07/04/2014 12:33:42 PM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Whistling past the graveyard.

America today is unrecognizable from what it was like just twenty years ago. In another twenty years it will be a Third World basket case.

7 posted on 07/04/2014 12:34:05 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: Kenny

“Thank you for the optimistic article. Much needed.”

I’ve read thousands of articles since the 90’s that China will overtake us in (insert years less than 5) yet here’s the USA still number 1. The problem is we’re letting in useless bastards who don;t deserve to be here.


8 posted on 07/04/2014 12:35:03 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Time to rebuild and clean-up folks!


9 posted on 07/04/2014 12:38:03 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wonder if Rome’s economists said the same?


10 posted on 07/04/2014 12:40:04 PM PDT by Viennacon (Rebuke the Repuke!)
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To: FredZarguna

I think the smart solution is a national divorce, so the Left can have their “best practices” demonstration project on their territory and we can go back to a constitutional republic on our side. Sound good?


11 posted on 07/04/2014 12:40:38 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

National Security Advisor under Obama and his top leaker.

His opinion is therefore NOT objective.


12 posted on 07/04/2014 12:40:53 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Viennacon

Rome lasted far longer than we have so far and even much more if you count the Eastern Empire/Byzantium.


13 posted on 07/04/2014 12:42:49 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: miss marmelstein

Henry Kissinger or are you referring to someone else?


14 posted on 07/04/2014 12:43:52 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: Kenny

LOL. Written by Tom Donilon.


15 posted on 07/04/2014 12:44:53 PM PDT by kabar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The author!


16 posted on 07/04/2014 12:45:26 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Kenny

According to Gretchen Morgenson and Joshua Rosner (Morgenson a New York Times reporter) in their bestselling book on the 2008 financial crisis, Reckless Endangerment: How Outsized Ambition, Greed, and Corruption Led to Economic Armageddon, Donilon was a key player at Fannie Mae. The government agency at the center of the crisis. Donilon, note Morgenson and Rosner, was, in his role as “Fannie’s longtime head of government affairs and a key political operative,” a key part in the “cast of characters that helped create the mess” and continued, in the Obama-era, “to hold high positions or are holding jobs of even greater power.”

http://spectator.org/articles/59050/benghazi-what-was-tom-donilon-doing


17 posted on 07/04/2014 12:46:36 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: Biggirl

CLEAN UP first, then rebuild. God is angry at every nation that legalizes child sacrifice. He will not forgive...

“However, the LORD did not turn from the fierceness of His great wrath with which His anger burned against Judah, because of all the provocations with which Manasseh had provoked Him. And the LORD said, “I will remove Judah also from My sight, as I have removed Israel. And I will cast off Jerusalem, this city which I have chosen, and the temple (house) of which I said, ‘My name shall be there’.”
“Surely at the command (mouth) of the LORD it came upon Judah, to remove them from His sight because of the sins of Manasseh, according to all that he had done, and also for the innocent blood which he shed, for he filled Jerusalem with innocent blood; AND THE LORD WOULD NOT FORGIVE.” (All caps mine) 2 Kings 23: 26 & 27 and 24: 3 & 4


18 posted on 07/04/2014 12:49:37 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: Mortrey

Don’t get Pat Caddell, the Democratic pollster, started on this creep!


19 posted on 07/04/2014 12:49:38 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yep. Problem is, that just like Kali and New York, they’ll eventually head for the exits and try to destroy our country all over again — like VT, NH, AZ, MT, NV, ...


20 posted on 07/04/2014 12:53:58 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: FredZarguna

Fences and walls, with guard posts.


21 posted on 07/04/2014 12:54:53 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: miss marmelstein
His opinion is therefore NOT objective.

More importantly, his analysis is unlikely to even accidentally veer close to reality.

22 posted on 07/04/2014 12:56:06 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: miss marmelstein

Thanks, I didn’t notice that.


23 posted on 07/04/2014 12:57:08 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: Kenny
Thank you for the optimistic article. Much needed.

Keep drinking yer Kool-Aid™. Throw in some pot and LSD.

24 posted on 07/04/2014 12:58:20 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Triple concrete razor wire fence that goes up 50 feet and down below ground at least that far, with four lane barrier patrol roads between, and shoot-to-kill rules of engagement.

It's the only way to really be sure.

25 posted on 07/04/2014 12:58:53 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I just didn’t want people to be mislead, that’s all.


26 posted on 07/04/2014 1:03:04 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It isn’t remaining as a place to make money and a dominant military that interests me, the things that I cared about, being American, and sustaining “America” are already done, a thing of the past.

What made us special, and America, what we fought for, is already lost.


27 posted on 07/04/2014 1:04:37 PM PDT by ansel12 (( Rand Paul---What a tragedy if America wouldn't have gotten to see Barack Obama as a leader.)
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To: DaxtonBrown

Yep


28 posted on 07/04/2014 1:06:11 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

America holds together during declines because our bedrock traditions are intact and respected. We get our fill of a counter-culture and we then pull back to the things that are tried and true.

Now does anyone think those traditions are still intact today?


29 posted on 07/04/2014 1:06:35 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: miss marmelstein

No, I didn’t look like I normally do as to the author’s background.


30 posted on 07/04/2014 1:06:35 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Pretty rediculous quote by Kissinger given the year he made it, since the postwar years though the fifties were America’s peak.


31 posted on 07/04/2014 1:07:18 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Viennacon

No doubt they did.


32 posted on 07/04/2014 1:07:37 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Oh, you made a mistake, did you????? How dare you; we never make mistakes or jump the gun here!!!!!!!!!!!


33 posted on 07/04/2014 1:08:20 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: max americana
I’ve read thousands of articles since the 90’s that China will overtake us in (insert years less than 5) yet here’s the USA still number

Yes, still #1 in over-the-top frivolous consumerism, enabling all the rest (I'm not impressed). Equally 'impressive' that we have overtaken the former Soviet Union and China in degree of centrally-managed economic stimulus, blowing one world-class bubble after another, with no actual production to show for it, but a lot of artificially-inflated asset classes.

34 posted on 07/04/2014 1:09:30 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: miss marmelstein

The number of FReepers who NEVER open an article and read the full story before they comment on the thread is scary. It is almost as if they want to be misled.


35 posted on 07/04/2014 1:10:39 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Isn’t Tom Donilon an Obamabot??


36 posted on 07/04/2014 1:11:00 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think the smart solution is a national divorce, so the Left can have their “best practices” demonstration project on their territory and we can go back to a constitutional republic on our side. Sound good?


Sounds very good to me. I want to separate from them because they would not participate in nor appreciate the sweat, blood and tears necessary to bring us back to a constitutional republic. They can go to hell.


37 posted on 07/04/2014 1:13:47 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: steve86

I still think this will be the Chinese century. We are clearly declining for ll of the reasons you read about here everyday.

India doesn’t seem to be aggressive about taking control of international issues.

China has stepped up imperialism making a grab for everything in the north west Pacific. They are building up their military. They can buy whatever they want. They have strong presence on most continents. Now restricted by an EPA.

Short of another massive revolution, they are full speed ahead.


38 posted on 07/04/2014 1:14:39 PM PDT by morphing libertarian ( On to impeachment and removal (IRS, Taliban, Fast and furious, VA, Benghazi)!!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Decline Ha...just wait till the Green River Formation comes on line...3 Trillion barrels of oil and 1 trillion recoverable with today’s technology....according to the USGS


39 posted on 07/04/2014 1:15:46 PM PDT by spokeshave (OMG.......Schadenfreude overload is not covered under Obamacare :-()
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To: spokeshave

Abundant natural resources mean nothing with a criminal/corrupt government at the helm. Just ask the Republic of Congo.


40 posted on 07/04/2014 1:18:12 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: B4Ranch

Sadly, I am probably the Number #1 person to do that.


41 posted on 07/04/2014 1:26:07 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We have now passed the “tipping point” in this country, and the unproductive element of our population now outnumber the productive. No past civilization has ever survived such a situation as we now find ourselves in, and I don’t see how, at this point, we could ever turn it around.

Charles Darwin’s Theory of Evolution (often referred to as The Theory of Survival of the Fittest) describes the positive effects resulting from any “pressure” on an animal species that removes the least fit among the species and allows only the most fit of the species to reproduce. Many of us are well aware of this “Survival of the Fittest” theory, but few are aware that Darwin also makes mention of the negative effects resulting from unlimited reproduction of a species’ least fit when the weak, the lazy, and the stupid are left unchecked.

We like to think otherwise, but our species, Homo sapiens, isn’t that long “out of the trees” and the same laws of nature that affect all of God’s creatures apply equally to us. If we were to observe any other species that had been allowed to reproduce without limitations, we would know immediately what the consequences will be.

Whenever the weak; lazy; and stupid of a species are allowed to reproduce unimpeded by predators that feed off the weak; lazy; and stupid, they soon outnumber the strong, productive, and intelligent. When the weak/lazy/stupid dominate the gene pool, the entire population becomes weak/ lazy/stupid, and then the population collapses.

In the past, when these collapses occurred within human populations, they have been referred to as a “Malthusian Collapse.” Thomas Malthus, a Nineteenth Century Economist, thought these collapses were caused simply because past civilizations had reached a point where human populations could no longer produce sufficient food supplies to feed themselves, but he never pinned down the exact reason for the food shortages.

We now think these collapses of past human civilizations have occurred whenever the unproductive weak/lazy/stupid greatly outnumber the strong/productive/intelligent of the population. In other words, the majority of the population becomes too lazy to perform the work necessary to provide for themselves and what’s left of the strong/productive/intelligent refuses to continue to do it for them.

These collapses have occurred at frequent intervals throughout human history, and Western Civilization is, in my humble opinion, currently on the cusp of one of these collapses.


42 posted on 07/04/2014 1:27:29 PM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war,and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: FredZarguna

I think maybe “FREE STUFF” signs leading into funnels ending in automatic gunfire would be a good start...maybe that’s a little over the top?


43 posted on 07/04/2014 1:31:21 PM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (There's only one reason for authorities to take the arms of good people.)
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To: huldah1776

But remember, God DOES forgive, for He is the GREAT DIVINE MERCY, for those who turn to Him to REPENT, He does FORGIVE even those who kill children.


44 posted on 07/04/2014 1:34:03 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: huldah1776

Plus also God forgives because of what Jesus did on the Cross. What is needed is to REPENT and BELIEVE.

CASE is NOW CLOSED.


45 posted on 07/04/2014 1:38:28 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

Yes he does forgive the individual who repents, as did King Manassah who started the practice but God did NOT forgive the nation of Judah. He warned them before they went into the Promised Land. They were given the land because the natives were practicing child sacrifice, not because they were better than the natives. He said if you do this, you will be invaded. Is America being invaded? Did any nations in South America practice human sacrifice? The American natives were said to do so also, but no one talks about it.


46 posted on 07/04/2014 1:42:40 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

even if conservatives decided on the divorce and moved to some remote Arctic Island, you know the Left and it’s military would eventually attack. They couldn’t leave us alone.

The minute you tried to enforce border protection, didn’t worship diversity and the gay lifestyle and strictly enforced laws the Left US would declare a violation of human rights, bring in the UN and invade.

The divorce would only work if the every conservative that joins the new nation has the backbone to absolutely 100% destroy the Left’s Nation if they tried any military or police action.


47 posted on 07/04/2014 1:43:12 PM PDT by roofgoat
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To: roofgoat
The United States is the United Nations. It's not a coincidence that it was founded in San Francisco and resides in New York City. If we were to split in two, roughly half (or more) of America's military power would go with us. But I understand what you're saying. The only thing that keeps me from moving to Singapore or the Philippines is the knowledge that they wouldn't let me alone.
48 posted on 07/04/2014 1:52:21 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
When Kissinger wrote the above words in 1961, he did have some valid concerns. At the time, the U.S. economy was struggling to grow its way out of a recession. The Soviet Union had launched the world's first artificial satellite, known as Sputnik, into orbit. The nation went into a panic, thinking we had fallen behind in technological innovation and would soon be outspent and outmatched by Moscow.

In 1961 our coinage was made of Silver and our dollar was backed by Gold.

In 1961 we had a president that believed in the goodness of the USA and the superiority of Capitalism. Today we have a president that United States that believes that the US is a purveyor of evil in the world and is dead set on destroying the power and might of this nation.

In 1961 the United States had a Congress that believed in the Constitution of the United States and defended the powers of that body against the incursions of those powers of the President. Today the Congress is almost wholly unwilling to defend the Constitution against an imperialist President that openly states that he will act unilaterally to usurp the legislative power of the Congress.

In 1961 we were an English speaking nation that demanded that immigrants come here in a lawful fashion and learn English and assimilate in to our society. Immigrants also had to support themselves or have a sponsor that guaranteed that the immigrant would not be a burden on society.

In 1961 public employees could not form unions and were generally paid much less than their private sector counterparts.

In 1961 the United States was a net exporting nation of industrial products. In 1961 the United States was the banker for the world not the debtor of the world.

All of the unity, strength and greatness that was the United States in 1961 has been weakened and eliminated by 50+ years of Socialist Liberal reform and social engineer purported to make us all equal.

Well the only way that the socialist liberals can make us all equal is to make us all equally poor and miserable. And by hook or crook thet’re are succeeding.

49 posted on 07/04/2014 1:54:28 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: huldah1776

But did not when a nation repents God backs away from the punishment?


50 posted on 07/04/2014 1:56:02 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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