Skip to comments.We're No. 1 (and We're Going to Stay That Way) Why the prophets of American decline are wrong.
Posted on 07/04/2014 12:25:14 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
"The United States cannot afford another decline like that which has characterized the past decade and a half.... [O]nly self-delusion can keep us from admitting our decline to ourselves."
-Henry Kissinger, 1961
For all our optimism, Americans have always worried about our place in the world. It's in our DNA, and it helps drive our renewal. To borrow from the great political scientist Samuel Huntington, "[T]he United States is unlikely to decline so long as its public is periodically convinced that it is about to decline. The declinists play an indispensable role in preventing what they are predicting."
When Kissinger wrote the above words in 1961, he did have some valid concerns. At the time, the U.S. economy was struggling to grow its way out of a recession. The Soviet Union had launched the world's first artificial satellite, known as Sputnik, into orbit. The nation went into a panic, thinking we had fallen behind in technological innovation and would soon be outspent and outmatched by Moscow.
And yet the decade and a half that was the subject of Kissinger's fears -- the period from the end of World War II until John F. Kennedy's administration -- is now seen by most historians as an era of unparalleled American economic growth and power. The decade that followed was even more prosperous, ending with the United States, not the Soviet Union, making the first lunar landing. And a mere 30 years after Kissinger wrote those words, the Soviet Union had ceased to exist entirely.
Every 10 years or so, a new bout of profound pessimism has swept the nation. In his fine book, The Myth of America's Decline, the German journalist and author Josef Joffe documents these periodic waves of declinism....
(Excerpt) Read more at foreignpolicy.com ...
Thank you for the optimistic article. Much needed.
Get rid of Obama and the democrat senate and a few dozen corrupt GOPe RINOS and we can start rebuilding!!
CONSIDER THE SOURCE.
“HOW LITTLE DO MY COUNTRYMEN KNOW WHAT PRECIOUS BLESSINGS THEY ARE IN POSSESSION OF AND WHICH NO OTHER PEOPLE ON EARTH ENJOY” THOMAS JEFFERSON”
“The final asset is America’s unique global leadership role. “
This article quotes Madeline Halfbright and Zbig Brezinski like gods of intellect. No doubt we have much, so did Rome. We both have invading hordes too, and an effeminate Emperor.
America today is unrecognizable from what it was like just twenty years ago. In another twenty years it will be a Third World basket case.
“Thank you for the optimistic article. Much needed.”
I’ve read thousands of articles since the 90’s that China will overtake us in (insert years less than 5) yet here’s the USA still number 1. The problem is we’re letting in useless bastards who don;t deserve to be here.
Time to rebuild and clean-up folks!
I wonder if Rome’s economists said the same?
I think the smart solution is a national divorce, so the Left can have their “best practices” demonstration project on their territory and we can go back to a constitutional republic on our side. Sound good?
National Security Advisor under Obama and his top leaker.
His opinion is therefore NOT objective.
Rome lasted far longer than we have so far and even much more if you count the Eastern Empire/Byzantium.
Henry Kissinger or are you referring to someone else?
LOL. Written by Tom Donilon.
According to Gretchen Morgenson and Joshua Rosner (Morgenson a New York Times reporter) in their bestselling book on the 2008 financial crisis, Reckless Endangerment: How Outsized Ambition, Greed, and Corruption Led to Economic Armageddon, Donilon was a key player at Fannie Mae. The government agency at the center of the crisis. Donilon, note Morgenson and Rosner, was, in his role as Fannies longtime head of government affairs and a key political operative, a key part in the cast of characters that helped create the mess and continued, in the Obama-era, to hold high positions or are holding jobs of even greater power.
CLEAN UP first, then rebuild. God is angry at every nation that legalizes child sacrifice. He will not forgive...
However, the LORD did not turn from the fierceness of His great wrath with which His anger burned against Judah, because of all the provocations with which Manasseh had provoked Him. And the LORD said, I will remove Judah also from My sight, as I have removed Israel. And I will cast off Jerusalem, this city which I have chosen, and the temple (house) of which I said, My name shall be there.
Surely at the command (mouth) of the LORD it came upon Judah, to remove them from His sight because of the sins of Manasseh, according to all that he had done, and also for the innocent blood which he shed, for he filled Jerusalem with innocent blood; AND THE LORD WOULD NOT FORGIVE. (All caps mine) 2 Kings 23: 26 & 27 and 24: 3 & 4
Don’t get Pat Caddell, the Democratic pollster, started on this creep!
Yep. Problem is, that just like Kali and New York, they’ll eventually head for the exits and try to destroy our country all over again — like VT, NH, AZ, MT, NV, ...
Fences and walls, with guard posts.
More importantly, his analysis is unlikely to even accidentally veer close to reality.
Thanks, I didn’t notice that.
Keep drinking yer Kool-Aid. Throw in some pot and LSD.
It's the only way to really be sure.
I just didn’t want people to be mislead, that’s all.
It isn’t remaining as a place to make money and a dominant military that interests me, the things that I cared about, being American, and sustaining “America” are already done, a thing of the past.
What made us special, and America, what we fought for, is already lost.
America holds together during declines because our bedrock traditions are intact and respected. We get our fill of a counter-culture and we then pull back to the things that are tried and true.
Now does anyone think those traditions are still intact today?
No, I didn’t look like I normally do as to the author’s background.
Pretty rediculous quote by Kissinger given the year he made it, since the postwar years though the fifties were America’s peak.
Oh, you made a mistake, did you????? How dare you; we never make mistakes or jump the gun here!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, still #1 in over-the-top frivolous consumerism, enabling all the rest (I'm not impressed). Equally 'impressive' that we have overtaken the former Soviet Union and China in degree of centrally-managed economic stimulus, blowing one world-class bubble after another, with no actual production to show for it, but a lot of artificially-inflated asset classes.
The number of FReepers who NEVER open an article and read the full story before they comment on the thread is scary. It is almost as if they want to be misled.
Isn’t Tom Donilon an Obamabot??
I think the smart solution is a national divorce, so the Left can have their best practices demonstration project on their territory and we can go back to a constitutional republic on our side. Sound good?
Sounds very good to me. I want to separate from them because they would not participate in nor appreciate the sweat, blood and tears necessary to bring us back to a constitutional republic. They can go to hell.
I still think this will be the Chinese century. We are clearly declining for ll of the reasons you read about here everyday.
India doesn’t seem to be aggressive about taking control of international issues.
China has stepped up imperialism making a grab for everything in the north west Pacific. They are building up their military. They can buy whatever they want. They have strong presence on most continents. Now restricted by an EPA.
Short of another massive revolution, they are full speed ahead.
Decline Ha...just wait till the Green River Formation comes on line...3 Trillion barrels of oil and 1 trillion recoverable with today’s technology....according to the USGS
Abundant natural resources mean nothing with a criminal/corrupt government at the helm. Just ask the Republic of Congo.
Sadly, I am probably the Number #1 person to do that.
We have now passed the “tipping point” in this country, and the unproductive element of our population now outnumber the productive. No past civilization has ever survived such a situation as we now find ourselves in, and I don’t see how, at this point, we could ever turn it around.
Charles Darwins Theory of Evolution (often referred to as The Theory of Survival of the Fittest) describes the positive effects resulting from any pressure on an animal species that removes the least fit among the species and allows only the most fit of the species to reproduce. Many of us are well aware of this Survival of the Fittest theory, but few are aware that Darwin also makes mention of the negative effects resulting from unlimited reproduction of a species least fit when the weak, the lazy, and the stupid are left unchecked.
We like to think otherwise, but our species, Homo sapiens, isnt that long out of the trees and the same laws of nature that affect all of Gods creatures apply equally to us. If we were to observe any other species that had been allowed to reproduce without limitations, we would know immediately what the consequences will be.
Whenever the weak; lazy; and stupid of a species are allowed to reproduce unimpeded by predators that feed off the weak; lazy; and stupid, they soon outnumber the strong, productive, and intelligent. When the weak/lazy/stupid dominate the gene pool, the entire population becomes weak/ lazy/stupid, and then the population collapses.
In the past, when these collapses occurred within human populations, they have been referred to as a Malthusian Collapse. Thomas Malthus, a Nineteenth Century Economist, thought these collapses were caused simply because past civilizations had reached a point where human populations could no longer produce sufficient food supplies to feed themselves, but he never pinned down the exact reason for the food shortages.
We now think these collapses of past human civilizations have occurred whenever the unproductive weak/lazy/stupid greatly outnumber the strong/productive/intelligent of the population. In other words, the majority of the population becomes too lazy to perform the work necessary to provide for themselves and whats left of the strong/productive/intelligent refuses to continue to do it for them.
These collapses have occurred at frequent intervals throughout human history, and Western Civilization is, in my humble opinion, currently on the cusp of one of these collapses.
I think maybe “FREE STUFF” signs leading into funnels ending in automatic gunfire would be a good start...maybe that’s a little over the top?
But remember, God DOES forgive, for He is the GREAT DIVINE MERCY, for those who turn to Him to REPENT, He does FORGIVE even those who kill children.
Plus also God forgives because of what Jesus did on the Cross. What is needed is to REPENT and BELIEVE.
CASE is NOW CLOSED.
Yes he does forgive the individual who repents, as did King Manassah who started the practice but God did NOT forgive the nation of Judah. He warned them before they went into the Promised Land. They were given the land because the natives were practicing child sacrifice, not because they were better than the natives. He said if you do this, you will be invaded. Is America being invaded? Did any nations in South America practice human sacrifice? The American natives were said to do so also, but no one talks about it.
even if conservatives decided on the divorce and moved to some remote Arctic Island, you know the Left and it’s military would eventually attack. They couldn’t leave us alone.
The minute you tried to enforce border protection, didn’t worship diversity and the gay lifestyle and strictly enforced laws the Left US would declare a violation of human rights, bring in the UN and invade.
The divorce would only work if the every conservative that joins the new nation has the backbone to absolutely 100% destroy the Left’s Nation if they tried any military or police action.
In 1961 our coinage was made of Silver and our dollar was backed by Gold.
In 1961 we had a president that believed in the goodness of the USA and the superiority of Capitalism. Today we have a president that United States that believes that the US is a purveyor of evil in the world and is dead set on destroying the power and might of this nation.
In 1961 the United States had a Congress that believed in the Constitution of the United States and defended the powers of that body against the incursions of those powers of the President. Today the Congress is almost wholly unwilling to defend the Constitution against an imperialist President that openly states that he will act unilaterally to usurp the legislative power of the Congress.
In 1961 we were an English speaking nation that demanded that immigrants come here in a lawful fashion and learn English and assimilate in to our society. Immigrants also had to support themselves or have a sponsor that guaranteed that the immigrant would not be a burden on society.
In 1961 public employees could not form unions and were generally paid much less than their private sector counterparts.
In 1961 the United States was a net exporting nation of industrial products. In 1961 the United States was the banker for the world not the debtor of the world.
All of the unity, strength and greatness that was the United States in 1961 has been weakened and eliminated by 50+ years of Socialist Liberal reform and social engineer purported to make us all equal.
Well the only way that the socialist liberals can make us all equal is to make us all equally poor and miserable. And by hook or crook thetre are succeeding.
But did not when a nation repents God backs away from the punishment?