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Sen. Chuck Schumerís religious test
nypost.com ^ | 7/12/14

Posted on 07/12/2014 5:26:18 AM PDT by cotton1706

Chuck Schumer has an odd view of the First Amendment.

If on the basis of religious conviction you refuse to pay for something Schumer wants you to pay for, he believes you forfeit your right to have a business.

Never mind that the Supreme Court just ruled the opposite in the Hobby Lobby case. At a press conference announcing a new bill designed to change the law that was the basis of that ruling, he put it this way:

“We wouldn’t tell the owners of Hobby Lobby to convert to a different religion or disobey their religion,” said Schumer. “But we don’t say that they have to open a company and go sell toys or hobby kits.” Businesses have no religious freedom, he said, because their “purpose is to profit from the open market.”

Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand was blunter still: “Congress must make it clear that businesses aren’t people and do not have the same rights people have.”

By that twisted logic, a family-owned kosher or halal butcher shop would have no religious grounds to challenge a law — similar to ones already enacted in Europe — that bars kosher slaughter.

Nor could those same butchers forbid an employee or customer from bringing non-kosher or non-halal food into their stores, because that would constitute imposing their beliefs.

The Constitution forbids a religious test for public office. Surely the men who drafted these protections would be aghast to see a United States senator suggesting the federal government impose one for running a business.

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Contraception and abortion are sacraments of the left and ALL must partake or be destroyed...in the name of liberty of course.
1 posted on 07/12/2014 5:26:18 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706
Atlas Shrug 2.0


2 posted on 07/12/2014 5:30:18 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Forgive but don't forget)
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To: cotton1706

Chuck Schumer is the best argument for term limits.


3 posted on 07/12/2014 5:30:52 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: cotton1706

It is a puzzlement why his eyes were never seared from his skull had he EVER looked on the pages of a Bible.


4 posted on 07/12/2014 5:33:05 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: cotton1706
Contraception and abortion are sacraments of the left ...

Their god is DEATH.

5 posted on 07/12/2014 5:33:43 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Gaffer

A red diaper doper baby who went straight from Harvard Law into politics and has never made an honest dollar of his own, living off our taxes and telling us how we should live our lives.


6 posted on 07/12/2014 5:35:49 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: cotton1706

And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.


7 posted on 07/12/2014 5:36:03 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: Rummyfan

Chuck Schumer’s the best argument for post birth abortion!


8 posted on 07/12/2014 5:37:44 AM PDT by HenpeckedCon (What pi$$es me off the most is that POS commie will get a State Funeral!)
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To: cotton1706
Isaiah 5:20

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

הוֹי הָאֹמְרִים לָרַע טוֹב וְלַטּוֹב רָע שָׂמִים חֹשֶׁךְ לְאוֹר וְאוֹר לְחֹשֶׁךְ שָׂמִים מַר לְמָתוֹק וּמָתוֹק לְמָר
9 posted on 07/12/2014 5:38:39 AM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: cotton1706

This bill will NOT pass. I believe they are attempting to reassure their evil/misguided base and promote the “war on women” foolishness. You can be sure the “war on women” will be the heavy theme pushed in the election of 2016.

Dumb....and dumber.


10 posted on 07/12/2014 5:42:10 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: cotton1706

“Businesses have no religious freedom, he said, because their “purpose is to profit from the open market.”

Note he said “open market” instead of “free market”. The word “free” isnt in his vocabulary.


11 posted on 07/12/2014 5:45:29 AM PDT by lowbridge
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To: cotton1706

This asshat is a Jew who worships at the altar of the Demmycrats who, by their very beliefs and actions, hate Jews.


12 posted on 07/12/2014 5:48:22 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: cotton1706
Chuck Schumer has an odd view of the First Amendment.

No, he doesn't...

His view supersedes the Constitution, after all he's Chuck Schumer senior Senator from New York State...

13 posted on 07/12/2014 5:50:43 AM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: cotton1706
“We wouldn’t tell the owners of Hobby Lobby to convert to a different religion or disobey their religion,” said Schumer.

"AT THIS TIME!"

He didn't say this but you got to know that he is thinking this!

14 posted on 07/12/2014 5:50:57 AM PDT by SES1066 (Quality, Speed or Economical - Any 2 of 3 except in government - 1 at best but never #3!)
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To: laweeks

Obama hates Jews. Jews, as evidenced by their vote[s] love Obama. In fact, I would go as far as to say they worship him.


15 posted on 07/12/2014 5:51:11 AM PDT by sport
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To: cotton1706

So you cannot have faith in God nor can you follow God’s law anymore in the US. Schumer wants religion outlawed in the US. Maybe believers should take all their wealth, and businesses and move to Mexico. Take billions out of this economy and give it to another country


16 posted on 07/12/2014 5:56:32 AM PDT by realcleanguy
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To: cotton1706
Businesses have no religious freedom, he said, because their “purpose is to profit from the open market.”

So Chuckie... You toothless faggot.!! You now have the right to decree WHO and WHAT has the right to religious freedom do you....

Hey Chuck... Do you realize how many people in this country despise you.? Doesn't that frighten you just a little bit..? I hope and pray the someday justice catches up with you, and I'm there to see it..!

17 posted on 07/12/2014 5:57:57 AM PDT by unread (Rescind the 17th. Amendment...bring the power BACK to the states...!)
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To: laweeks
Isaiah, 5:25

Therefore is the anger of the LORD kindled against his people, and he hath stretched forth his hand against them, and hath smitten them: and the hills did tremble, and their carcases were torn in the midst of the streets. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.

עַל כֵּן חָרָה אַף יְהֹוָה בְּעַמּוֹ וַיֵּט יָדוֹ עָלָיו וַיַּכֵּהוּ וַיִּרְגְּזוּ הֶהָרִים וַתְּהִי נִבְלָתָם כַּסּוּחָה בְּקֶרֶב חוּצוֹת בְּכָל זֹאת לֹא שָׁב אַפּוֹ וְעוֹד יָדוֹ נְטוּיָה
18 posted on 07/12/2014 5:58:32 AM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: cotton1706; Carry_Okie

Isn’t owning a business the same thing as owning any other type of property?
Isn’t Congress infringing on the owners’ property rights?


19 posted on 07/12/2014 5:59:36 AM PDT by sauropod (Fat Bottomed Girl: "What difference, at this point, does it make?")
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To: cotton1706
Interesting... several days ago, I had posted on this forum that this was their goal- to strip the freedoms of observant christians and jews to start/run a business without discarding their faith principles.

Looks like they have openly and boldly come out declaring this as their objective.

What is startling is that we have a population that does not give back a resounding NO for an answer. The defense of freedom is very tepid and lukewarm. Hence the democrats march on.

20 posted on 07/12/2014 6:02:37 AM PDT by Moorings
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To: cotton1706

What if the name of the business was Jihaddi Lobbi?


21 posted on 07/12/2014 6:02:50 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: laweeks

the ultimate contradiction.


22 posted on 07/12/2014 6:09:40 AM PDT by brivette
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To: cotton1706

Opening July 18, 2014. This is on the must watch list.

23 posted on 07/12/2014 6:12:06 AM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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To: cotton1706

You left out the latest one: Homosexuality

To be followed soon by paedophilia, incest, bestiality . . .


24 posted on 07/12/2014 6:13:11 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (Rope. Tree. Politician. Some assembly required.)
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To: cotton1706
Gillibrand thinks a business does not have the same rights, because it is not a person.

OK then if she is correct on that front, then how should those who own a business file their taxes? Oh that's right, small business owners file taxes as individuals!

Wait, aren't individuals PERSONS??

Can't have it both ways.

25 posted on 07/12/2014 6:15:06 AM PDT by Florida native
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To: ealgeone

If I watch the little white square, will it open up into a picture on July 18?


26 posted on 07/12/2014 6:15:07 AM PDT by BykrBayb (World Lung Cancer Day {WLCD} Aug 1 https://facebook.com/events/309580722464921 ~ √ě)
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To: unread

When I go into the “open market” to sell my labor to the highest bidder, I’m doing essentially what every business is doing, according to Schumer. Do I thus forfeit my rights?


27 posted on 07/12/2014 6:17:32 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Moorings

The courts have held, again and again, that a corporation functions under the law as a person. Schumer is wrong as a matter of established law.
The goal of this bit of kubuki theater is not to pass legislation. It is to insure the anticapitalist base of the DP that they are still loved.


28 posted on 07/12/2014 6:17:52 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Don’t be surprised if Schumer - and American courts - answer ‘yes’ in the very near future. Who’s going to stop them?


29 posted on 07/12/2014 6:20:49 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: cotton1706

So by this logic a Kosher restaurant can be forced to serve pork chops because,after all,it was set up to make a profit in the open market.


30 posted on 07/12/2014 6:22:03 AM PDT by SayNoToDems (Will the dancing Hitlers please wait in the wings? We're only seeing singing Hitlers.)
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To: cotton1706
“But we don’t say that they have to open a company and go sell toys or hobby kits.”

Chucky conveniently leaves out the fact that Hobby Lobby has been in business for years and only since Obamacare did government try to specify every detail of what sort of health insurance employers had to provide.

31 posted on 07/12/2014 6:24:31 AM PDT by Will88
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To: laweeks
This asshat is a Jew....

Ten bucks says that he's an atheist Jew,a Jew who sees the word as being an ethnic,rather than a religious,identifier.Check it out....many,many,*many* of the people in this country who identify themselves as a "Jew" or "Jewish" will freely tell you that they're atheist if you ask them.

32 posted on 07/12/2014 6:25:33 AM PDT by SayNoToDems (Will the dancing Hitlers please wait in the wings? We're only seeing singing Hitlers.)
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To: cotton1706

Schmuckie is a fascist. Get a rope.


33 posted on 07/12/2014 6:26:43 AM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: Rummyfan

How does UpChuckie feel about “No shirt, no shoes, no sale.”


34 posted on 07/12/2014 6:27:51 AM PDT by depressed in 06 (America conceived in liberty, dies in slavery.)
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To: realcleanguy

No. No. No. You don’t understand. The Democrats don’t mind if you have religion. You just can’t practice it in any meaningful way outside of your church or your private residence. If you open a business, for example, that’s the public sphere, and the constitution clearly states Congress can make laws regulating and/or prohibiting religion in public. It’s right there in the US Constitution. Look it up!

ESA (EXTREME Sarcasm Alert!)


35 posted on 07/12/2014 6:29:06 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Proverbs 14:34 Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people.)
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To: cotton1706

What part of “Congress shall make no law” do you not understand, Chuckie?


36 posted on 07/12/2014 6:29:25 AM PDT by magellan
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To: cotton1706
National Socialism by any other name is still National Socialism. NAZI

Ironic thin is Schumer is Jewish (I think)

37 posted on 07/12/2014 6:29:28 AM PDT by Tupelo
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To: cotton1706
. . . because their “purpose is to profit from the open market.”

The concept of "open market", by its nature, involves a "willing buyer" and a "willing seller". There are multitudes of reasons a normally "willing seller" chooses to become "unwilling". A bunch of commies have no standing to define the term "open market". That is one of the fundamental reasons our economy is, and has been, in the crapper for so long . . . their economic theory is destructive garbage.

38 posted on 07/12/2014 6:29:57 AM PDT by RatRipper (No need to rob others; democRATS will steal and share a tiny bit with you.)
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To: sauropod

“Isn’t Congress infringing on the owners’ property rights?”

Don’t try appealing to reason. With Democrats, up is down and down is up. I seriously mean it. They seem to speak the same language as real Americans, but the words have entirely different meanings. For example, freedom means government gets to control everything you do if you dare open a business.


39 posted on 07/12/2014 6:31:33 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Proverbs 14:34 Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people.)
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To: SayNoToDems

Schmuckie is well-known as a member of New York City’s largest Reform Synagogue, and regularly attends.

I have never heard of him claiming to be atheist or even agnostic.

He certainly seems to represent the views of his voters. There’s no deception there.


40 posted on 07/12/2014 6:35:45 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: CitizenUSA

Except when it means free stuff.


41 posted on 07/12/2014 6:39:32 AM PDT by BykrBayb (World Lung Cancer Day {WLCD} Aug 1 https://facebook.com/events/309580722464921 ~ √ě)
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To: Rummyfan

How old is Chuckie now?Nature will take it’s course with him soon,he should try legislating against THAT.


42 posted on 07/12/2014 6:42:50 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Louis Foxwell

The US Constitution cannot be amended by law. It’s really as simple as that. In other words, corporate law can’t be used by Congress to circumvent constitutionally protected rights, like the freedom of religion. It doesn’t even matter if a particular business owner is willing to give up their religious liberty in order to do business.

1st Amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

What do the words, “no law” mean if not NO law? It’s not like laws governing incorporation aren’t, in fact, laws.


43 posted on 07/12/2014 6:43:28 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Proverbs 14:34 Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people.)
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To: cotton1706

This reads like satire.


44 posted on 07/12/2014 6:46:33 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (No King but Jesus.)
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To: Arm_Bears

“To be followed soon by pedophilia, incest, bestiality . . “

That’s exactly how it’s going to be played put!


45 posted on 07/12/2014 6:51:05 AM PDT by jimmyo57
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To: cotton1706

Oddly enough, there is an underlying constitutional problem that needs to be addressed. Since the time of Lincoln, “corporate civil rights” have come to dominate business law.

However, human civil rights are unalienable, and endowed by the creator, so are neither given, nor can be legitimately taken away by government. Corporate civil rights are *entirely* issued by government, and can be modified, or even eliminated at their whim.

The major problem exists in confusing human civil rights with corporate civil rights. It is a dangerous enough problem that there needs to be a constitutional amendment to address it, because as things now stand, it permits corporations to do things they should absolutely not do; and it suggests to government that human civil rights are theirs to whimsically tamper with as well.

Importantly, corporations *do* need rights, issued by the federal government, to protect them against abuses by the states, foreign governments, non-governmental organizations, and each other. But these are *not* human civil rights.

Which brings us up to the current situation with Hobby Lobby. Were it to be a “public company”, issuing shares to stockholders, and controlled by the majority shareholder, it is a “public” corporation. So its corporate civil rights can be and should be wholly in the realm of government.

This has legitimacy, and as a sword it cuts both ways. For example, such a corporation could be forced to offer abortions as part of a health plan; but at the same time, the corporation could be forbidden from direct involvement in politics, or even funding of charities, NGOs and foundations, the vast majority of which are liberal-leftist.

However, Hobby Lobby and many others exist as “privately held corporations”. This means that because they do not have a fiduciary responsibility to shareholders, they have far greater rights to assert the human civil rights of its owners. Conversely, government should have far less ability to require performances from it, as it would if the private corporation was an individual.

In practical terms, this should also mean that Hobby Lobby should have almost *all* the same corporate rights as there are human civil rights.


46 posted on 07/12/2014 7:03:03 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: Moorings
Interesting... several days ago, I had posted on this forum that this was their goal- to strip the freedoms of observant christians and jews to start/run a business without discarding their faith principles. Looks like they have openly and boldly come out declaring this as their objective.

Just recall the democrat convention, when they booed the living God.

47 posted on 07/12/2014 7:06:06 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom. Luke 12;32)
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To: Graybeard58

In the past, they were kind of subtle and indirect, not too open about their intentions. But lately, they are not too cautious, as they feel that they don’t need to be.


48 posted on 07/12/2014 7:18:15 AM PDT by Moorings
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To: CitizenUSA
In other words, corporate law can’t be used by Congress to circumvent constitutionally protected rights...

Stated simply and to the point.

But still over Kristen Gillibrand's head.

49 posted on 07/12/2014 7:58:32 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
In practical terms, this should also mean that Hobby Lobby should have almost *all* the same corporate rights as there are human civil rights.

Almost all?

All.

50 posted on 07/12/2014 8:01:01 AM PDT by FreeReign
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