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Brady Campaign Sues to Prevent Kansas from Nullifying Federal Gun Laws
breitbart.com ^ | 7/12/2014 | AWR Hawkins

Posted on 07/13/2014 7:19:33 AM PDT by rktman

On July 9, the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence filed suit against Kansas Governor Sam Brownback (R) and Kansas Attorney General Derek Schmidt over a state law--the Second Amendment Protection Act--that "makes it a felony to attempt to enforce federal gun laws in Kansas."

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: 2a; banglist; guncontrolnazis; kansasalert
Uh, sarah, STFU. Stay in DC and leave us alone. (or VA or MD wherever you dwell) LUTFA!
1 posted on 07/13/2014 7:19:33 AM PDT by rktman
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To: rktman

Now that’s funny!

The lawsuit says that a state law enforcing the Constitution is unconstitutional because it might conflict with unconstitutional federal laws.


2 posted on 07/13/2014 7:21:58 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Sherman Logan

How do they have any standing.
As we have seen the courts spout that many times in pro gun cases.


3 posted on 07/13/2014 7:23:29 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: rktman

Kansas law is just as unconstitutional as the 10th amendment says it is.

Suck eggs, BITCH!


4 posted on 07/13/2014 7:27:12 AM PDT by Delta 21 (Its my freedom. YES. I will be keeping it.)
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To: riverrunner

Commies always have standing.


5 posted on 07/13/2014 7:38:49 AM PDT by Crazieman (Are you naive enough to think VOTING will fix this entrenched system?)
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To: Sherman Logan

I haven’t read the law,but from what I can understand,this sounds like a perfect short summary of it. Never have understood how anyone could rule against something that is clearly stated in the Constitution. The Constitution covers each state in the Union doesn’t it,or have they found exceptions to that? Must be right in there where it says something about Obamacare.


6 posted on 07/13/2014 8:09:17 AM PDT by oldtech
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To: rktman

While Obama acts to nullify Federal immigration laws, among many others...


7 posted on 07/13/2014 8:14:06 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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8 posted on 07/13/2014 8:14:06 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: oldtech
Wait, I know what their argument will be, there was no state of Kansas when the founding fathers wrote the Constitution so it can't possibly pertain to present day Kansas. Come on now doesn't that idea fit with their logic?
9 posted on 07/13/2014 8:25:55 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: oldtech

Here’s the text of the bill.

http://www.kslegislature.org/li/b2013_14/measures/documents/hb2199_00_0000.pdf

It claims that guns manufactured and used in KS are not subject to federal law, because they aren’t involved in interstate commerce.

I sympathize with this POV, but it must be noted that it violates closing on 100 years of precedent.

I a guy growing wheat to eat himself can be classified as engaged in interstate commerce and therefore subjecto federal regulation, then so can somebody building and selling guns in KS.

Sine it doesn’t seem likely this nearly 100 years of precedent is going to be overturned, this law is in all likelihood unconstitutional, given present interpretation.


10 posted on 07/13/2014 8:30:38 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Sherman Logan
Of course, that's assuming that the 100 years of precedent is itself constitutional. And in this case it most definitely is not. The original test case you mentioned was a gross miscarriage of justice. If I grow tomatoes in my own backyard for my own consumption, then why should the government have any say in the matter. I may not be spending money at the store to purchase tomatoes (thus in some tiny way affecting interstate commerce), but last time I checked The Constitution doesn't actually require me to spend money! Maybe someone needs to send 0 and the Bradys a copy of the Constitution; I don't think they've ever actually read it.

I'm pretty sure our state Attorney General knows the Constitution better than Sarah Brady. They're going down, and I really hope Kansas recoups attorneys' fees from the Brady Bunch to keep them from coming back to our state again!

11 posted on 07/13/2014 9:23:28 AM PDT by lcms rev
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To: Sherman Logan

Wickard v. Filburn should be overturned.


12 posted on 07/13/2014 9:25:46 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: rktman

In order to enforce a law such as this then the state of Kansas has to be willing to tell any and every judge to stuff it when such judges rule against it.


13 posted on 07/13/2014 9:30:38 AM PDT by Revel
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To: rktman
The Brady Campaign points out that U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder has already written a letter to Governor Brownback claiming the law is unconstitutional. In the letter, Holder compares the nullification of federal gun laws to the fight against the "integration of black students into all-white schools in the 1950s."

Do these people even listen to themselves talk? How is a state saying that it's going to force the federal government to abide by its own rules (the Constitution) the same thing as opposing integration? Brown v. Topeka Board of Education--the case to which Holder is referring in a sad and pathetic attempt to attack the state of Kansas for once again being on the wrong side--was a case which revolved around the Fourteenth Amendment Equal Protection clause. By having segregated schools, Chief Justice Warren argued that the Board of Education was violating this clause because separate schools are inherently unequal.

So how does the Fourteenth Amendment apply to this case? In this instance, Kansas passed a law which makes federal firearms-related laws unenforceable within its borders. Does this violate the Fourteenth Amendment? I'm no Constitutional scholar (which may be a good thing, considering what the Constitutional-Scholar-in-Chief's been doing with the Constitution!) but I would argue that the Fourteenth Amendment only applies insofar as a law would "abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States" (Sec. 1, Amendment XIV).

So, is there a "privilege or immunity" which is being taken away by this law? Absolutely not; there is only a "privilege or immunity" which is being protected--and not just for some citizens (a la segregation), but for all citizens. Whatever sad liberals the Brady Campaign is drumming up from the People's Republik of Lawrence to use in this case are not having any "privileges or immunities" taken away by this law! In fact, their "privilege or immunity" of having the Second Amendment apply to them is being protected.

Of course, calling the Second Amendment a "privilege or immunity" protected by the Fourteenth Amendment really does the Second Amendment a disservice. "The right of the people to keep and bear arms" is not a "privilege"; it is a "right." So if the Fourteenth Amendment applies to this case at all, it is only in defending the right of the state to safeguard the rights of its people from laws which would "deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law" (Sec. 1, Amendment XIV). That those laws are passed by the Federal, rather than State, Government is irrelevant; the Ninth and Tenth Amendments still protect the people and states from laws that deprive us of our rights.

Long story short, the case simply put revolves around the Second Amendment. And in this case, the State of Kansas is on the side of the Constitution. Mr. Holder would be better served to read the Constitution and enforce it himself instead of trying to bully states into joining him in violating it.

14 posted on 07/13/2014 9:52:56 AM PDT by lcms rev
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To: lcms rev

Maybe the asshats want the 2nd to read (as it probably does to them), “the privilege of possessing firearms MAY be immune from interference from the govt or other busybodies unless it’s for the safety of the children being raised by the village.”.


15 posted on 07/13/2014 10:00:43 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: Sherman Logan; All
"It claims that guns manufactured and used in KS are not subject to federal law, because they aren’t involved in interstate commerce."

As a consequence of parents not making sure that their children were being taught the federal government's constitutionally limited powers, voters were clueless to major corruption on the Supreme Court when FDR's actvist judges decided Wickard v. Filburn in Congress's favor in 1942.

More specifically, pro-big federal government justices wrongly ignored that Thomas Jefferson, using terms like "does not extend" and "exclusively," had officially clarified that Congress has no business sticking its big nose into intrastate commerce.

“For the power given to Congress by the Constitution does not extend to the internal regulation of the commerce of a State, (that is to say of the commerce between citizen and citizen,) which remain exclusively [emphases added] with its own legislature; but to its external commerce only, that is to say, its commerce with another State, or with foreign nations, or with the Indian tribes.” –Thomas Jefferson, Jefferson’s Opinion on the Constitutionality of a National Bank : 1791.

But who cares what Thomas Jefferson said about the Commerce Clause? After all, Thomas Jefferson was not a Supreme Court justice.

It turns out that FDR's crony justices had also wrongly ignored that a previous generation of justices, contemporaries of Jefferson, had officially clarified the scope of Congress's Commerce Clause powers, essentially reflecting what Jefferson had written about that clause.

”State inspection laws, health laws, and laws for regulating the internal commerce of a State, and those which respect turnpike roads, ferries, &c. are not within the power granted to Congress [emphases added].” —Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.

In fact, Article I, Section 8 delegations of power by the states to Congress to regulate the armed forces aside, and noting that the 2nd Amendment is clearly not a delegation of power to limit the use of personal firearms, the states have never delegated to the feds, expressly via the Constitution, the specific power to regulate civilian / intrastate firearms. And it is disturbing that federal regulations for civilian firearms seem to have first appeared in the books during the FDR administration, an administration infamous for its complete disregard for constitutional limits on federal government powers.

Franklin Roosevelt: The Father of Gun Control

As a side note concerning the federal government's constitutionally limited powers, please consider the following. The states would sure be a dull, boring place to grow up and live in if parents were to make sure that their children were taught about the federal government's constitutionally limited powers as the Founding States had intended for those powers to be understood. /sarc

Thomas Jefferson had put it this way:

“Cherish, therefore, the spirit of our people, and keep alive their attention. If once they become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, judges and governors, shall all become wolves. It seems to be the law of our general nature.” - Thomas Jefferson (Letter to Edward Carrington January 16, 1787)

16 posted on 07/13/2014 10:21:16 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Sherman Logan
The on-point cite is the Stewart case.

US v. Stewart 9th Circuit (2003)

We reverse Stewart's conviction for machinegun possession under section 922(o) as an unlawful extension of Congress's commerce power ...
Reversed by SCOTUS, citing to Gonzales v. Raich.
17 posted on 07/13/2014 10:28:19 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Lurker

Wickard was reinforced by the much more recent (2005) Raich decision.


18 posted on 07/13/2014 10:30:03 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Sherman Logan

Guess where the Federal employees in black robes will side? With themselves of course.

This is the sort of law you enforce in-spite of Washington not in consent with Washington. If Washington were inclined ever uphold their own constitution we wouldn’t need laws like this.


19 posted on 07/13/2014 10:52:12 AM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Amendment10

To be fair, Jefferson isn’t the best source for interpreting the Bill of Rights, since he was serving in France at the time they were written. What he says is still relevant, but a better source would be Madison, the author of the Bill of Rights.


20 posted on 07/13/2014 11:17:12 AM PDT by lcms rev
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To: lcms rev; All
"To be fair, Jefferson isn’t the best source for interpreting the Bill of Rights,"

Indeed, who cares what Jefferson said? That's why I also included the excerpt concerning the Supreme Court's interpretation of the limited scope of Congress's Commerce Clause powers.

21 posted on 07/13/2014 12:09:00 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Amendment10

Jefferson’s views on the meaning of the Constitution are of themselves no more valid than those of anybody else. He was not present at the Constitutional Convention, and was less than enthusiastic initially about the new form of government.


22 posted on 07/13/2014 12:20:21 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

You might be interested that your Washington quote is (largely) spurious.

http://www.mountvernon.org/educational-resources/encyclopedia/spurious-quotations


23 posted on 07/13/2014 12:24:14 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Sherman Logan; FReepers
Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance;
they are the peoples' liberty's teeth.
George Washington


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24 posted on 07/13/2014 12:34:53 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Also spurious. Same reference.

Do you have any genuine Washington quotes?

The guy was no Thomas Jefferson, but he did say some memorable things.


25 posted on 07/13/2014 12:39:24 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Sherman Logan; onyx; Jim Robinson

Bite me.


26 posted on 07/13/2014 12:49:27 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Sherman Logan; All

I’m sure that James Madison had gotten Jefferson up to speed with many of the discussions that had taken place at the first Constituitonal Convention.


27 posted on 07/13/2014 12:54:11 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: DJ MacWoW

Is there some reason you object to having inaccuracies pointed out?

Most people of good will want to be accurate in what they say.


28 posted on 07/13/2014 1:15:28 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Sherman Logan

I object to know-it-alls harassing the FReepathon team when they work hours trying to get deadbeats to donate.


29 posted on 07/13/2014 1:22:18 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Well, I object to people saying the Father of our Country said things he never said. It’s always seemed to me that truth is inherently conservative.

Only liberals, at least to my mind, believe in “fake but accurate.”


30 posted on 07/13/2014 1:26:55 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Why don’t you work 10 to 14 hours a day on the FReepathon and then we’ll see just how pious you are when someone criticizes your posts.


31 posted on 07/13/2014 1:32:25 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: DJ MacWoW
I note that you seem to have attracted the attention of a DemocraticRearOrafice type personality.

I also note that said person does not show on any of the donor lists. Not that that is inclusive, but said person could be one of those FReeploaders with a superiority complex...

32 posted on 07/13/2014 1:54:37 PM PDT by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: Sherman Logan; Jim Robinson
know-it-alls harassing the FReepathon team when they work hours trying to get deadbeats to donate.

If the shoe fits...

Now, it is of note that your name does not appear on the list of Dollar-a-Day donors. It is absent from the 300 club. There is also no mention of your ID in the list of Monthly Donors. While recognizing that these lists are non-inclusive and opt-in only, your absence might be an indication that you are just a FReeploader.

It is highly recommended that you redeem yourself by performing the following TWO acts.

First CLICK HERE and follow the prompts. A sizable donation will be most appreciated. You might choose to make that monthly. And when you do so, opt to have your name on the monthly donor's list so no one can call you a FReeploader again.

Second, contact the FReepathon Team (or even Jim Rob - he'll give you the info) and volunteer your time and expertise (which you seem to so willingly share elsewhere) to the effort to get the 95% of FR users who are non-donors (you know - FReeploaders, possibly, due to lack of evidence to the contrary, just like you) to donate to the support of this unique Conservative Forum that you are using.

Again, if the shoe fits...

33 posted on 07/13/2014 2:11:38 PM PDT by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: NoCmpromiz
There are those who give helpful info. Others just harass. Actually this is something new. Some posters now seem to feel the need to discuss FReepathon ads and it's becoming more frequent. As I said, some are helpful and some are just downright bossy.

Oh well.

34 posted on 07/13/2014 2:17:24 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Well, I'm waiting to see if this one's name miraculously appears on a donor list. But I think my initial assessment is correct.

A FReeploader.

35 posted on 07/13/2014 2:22:56 PM PDT by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: rktman

Saying that it “makes it a felony to attempt to enforce federal gun laws in Kansas” is a bit misleading. The act applies only to firearms manufactured in Kansas, sold in Kansas, and owned in Kansas.


36 posted on 07/13/2014 2:32:27 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

Didn’t Wyoming or Montana do something similar?


37 posted on 07/13/2014 4:36:09 PM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: Sherman Logan

The commerce clause says congress can regulate “commerce” between the States. It says nothing about the giving congress the ability to regulate the products used in that commerce, and it says nothing about congress having the power to regulate commerce between the “People”. The black robed terrorists, our Supreme Court, has totally misread this clause, and they know it, thats why they should be called terrorists.


38 posted on 07/13/2014 8:27:17 PM PDT by government is the beast (In the last century, an estimated 262 million people have been murderd by their own government)
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