Posted on 07/13/2014 2:10:02 PM PDT by robowombat
One commentator had this to say:
Yet another act of mind-boggling incompetence from Baghdad and its military. M1A1 should be more than capable of dealing with ISIS, but of course we all know this was another in a long, long list of ill thought out strategies and plans by the leaders of the Iraqi regime.
You really can't blame anyone in our government for not wanting to support these clowns running Iraq. They are ridiculously bad at what they do. The Kurds are now claiming they warned Maliki about an ISIS advance on Mosul 5 days beforehand. Maliki ignored the warning and demanded the Kurds stay out of Mosul. When ISIS did come, Maliki changed his mind and ordered the Kurds in.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/11/kurds-isis-frontier-destiny-beckons
There isn't any hope of reason or logic entering into this with Maliki in charge. Supporting Maliki is supporting the guaranteed fragmentation and all out civil war in Iraq, which is exactly what every Western government does not want to happen.
And finally, I feel sorry for those 4,000 militia being flown into Ramadi because the road there is too dangerous. Judging by the previous performance of Baghdad's forces, that just doesn't sound good.
It’s now IS? So what is going to happen to all those T-shirts that people bought with ISIS on it? Or the coffee mugs or ....
inshallah!
If you can’t win with a bunch of M1A1’s, you can’t win. There is either a huge people problem or some 3rd party with some serious weapons tech is involved.
The situation in Ramadi has become so dire that the Iraqi government is deploying 4,000 members of the newly raised militias, who are primarily Shias, to an area that is overwhelmingly Sunni. The militia members are being “ferried out to Ramadi from Baghdad by helicopter,” ABC News reported, demonstrating how thoroughly the Islamic State controls the road from Baghdad to Ramadi.
Head will roll!
3rd world leaders, tend to think that 1st world countries are powerful simply because of their stuff. So they think their power is in having some of that stuff. That you have to know how to use it and have the will to use it escapes them.
Uncle Sam alone has the ability to support (resupply and provide arty fire and CAS) units in the middle of Indian country. At Dien Bien Phu, it became clear that the French did not, and even elite troops could not hold out without adequate resupply. As recently as WWII, no one had this ability. The elite German airborne invasion of Crete was redeemed only as the result of mistakes by British commanders defending the island. Maliki's militia rabble will be massacred to the last man.
Well, that is just wonderful.... jeesh
Who trained them to drive and use those M1A1’s? America?
Not a good grade for teacher.
That depends entirely on what the meaning of IS is...
Actually, they don't have enough stuff, because it's very expensive and they can't afford it. Having round the clock intel from drones and satellites, on-call artillery fire and on-call CAS were essential for getting ground troops out of trouble while coalition forces were in Iraq. Without these elements, coalition casualties would have been far higher. Most of the equipment the Iraqis have, they acquired at cut-rate prices from the US. The problem is the gaps in their inventory - stuff we weren't prepared to sell for pennies on the dollar to them.
Iraq's mil budget is $6b - which, for a country fighting a major insurgency, is peanuts and pretty much just covers the cost of maintenance, salaries, ammo and fuel, and maintenance is probably being shortchanged. To make headway, they need drones, combat aircraft and significant amounts of training, which will cost tens of billions, especially if they plan to acquire modern jet fighters which cost $100m apiece (with spares and maintenance packages).
Bottom line is they dragged their feet on mil expenditures and are now paying the price. Iraq produces 1/3 as much oil as Saudi Arabia but has less than 1/10 the defense budget. And it's fighting a major insurgency. My guess, based on the region's traditions, is that Iraq's leaders are too busy depositing the profits from oil exports in numbered private Singaporean bank accounts to worry about defense. If things go south, they're going to Singapore.
‘There is either a huge people problem ‘
There is a huge problem. The ISIS people really believe in the their vile convictions. This is a young man’s revolt and the ISIS fighters are happy to die for their cause but, and this is the big but, would rather their hated opponents are made to die instead. In Iraq ISIS forces numbering in the hundreds defeat or route government or government supporter forces numbering in the thousands. ISIS seems to me to have an even money chance of taking Baghdad.
Hagel is quickly making sure that our military soon has neither equipment, nor training, nor the will to use it.
We will have some trannies, though.
we really SHOULD have put self destructive devices on all that equipment we left behind to the Iraqis. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to deduce that they weren’t going to hold onto it! How much resistance did the US military encounter when we invaded Iraq? About as much as the thugs in ISIS had.
The problem with that statement is the facts on the ground, of who is kicking their butt and with what.
I guarantee that M1 Abrams was superior to anything that ISIS had, yet, the M1 is burning.
Easy solution:
1. Allow the Kurds to control the northern choke points on both the northeast and northwest part of Iraq.
2. When ISIS begins moving troops to combat this, nail them with air support.
3. Send your Shia boys up the road and retake Mosul.
4. Squash all remaining opposition.
It shouldn’t be hard - ISIS destroyed a SUNNI town for not cooperating fully. Kill them all now before they DO become a Saudi/Turk caliphate.
The real question is who trained ISIL?
They don’t need jets, CAS props would do the job nicely. Heck a squadron of Wart Hogs would do the job nicely. Bet they could pick them up fairly cheap.
Thanks robowombat.
> The leadership of the 7th Division crumbled in later December 2013 after an Islamic State suicide team killed the division commander and 17 members of his staff in an ambush in Rutbah.
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