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As Iraq burns, Rick Perry condemns "isolationist" Rand Paul
CBSNews ^ | 7/12/2014 | JAKE MILLER

Posted on 07/13/2014 10:12:41 PM PDT by South40

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1 posted on 07/13/2014 10:12:41 PM PDT by South40
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To: South40

Islam is an example of how war will come looking for us even if we don’t go looking for it.


2 posted on 07/13/2014 10:16:03 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: South40

Rand Paul is not blind to the reality of terrorism. However Republicans must do a careful reflective assessment on how best to deal with it. Clearly in retrospect our long involvements in Iraq and Afghanistan have been costly failures that have done almost nothing to enhance the long term security of the American people. Ron Paul to his credit courageously stood up and opposed our invasion of Iraq. Even more remarkable he spelled out in chapter and verse just what the eventual actual outcome would be. This intervention and the consequences Paul predicted and came to pass more than anything else made the disastrous election of Obama possible. Let’s admit mistakes were made and there are better ways to deal with terrorism and the chronic chaos and crisis in Islamic culture.


3 posted on 07/13/2014 10:23:06 PM PDT by allendale
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To: allendale

So what is the better way to fight terrorism?


4 posted on 07/13/2014 10:29:19 PM PDT by reefdiver (Be the Best you can be Whatever you Dream to be)
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To: allendale
There are hundreds of thousands of dead Muslims who cannot kill again. And you say?
5 posted on 07/13/2014 10:36:09 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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There are thousands of dead Americans because of the invasion of Iraq. What did they die for? Prior to the invasion, Iraq was the arch-enemy of Iran. After the invasion, Shias took control of Iraq, and Iraq became Iran’s closest ally in the whole world.

Before the invasion, Saddam ruled over a secular government. After the invasion, Iraq adopted a constitution that begins with saying the Koran is the fount of all law.

Before the invasion, Saddam had his boot on the necks of the jihadists. After the invasion, that boot was removed, and a civil war between shias and sunnis has been raging ever since.

Before the invasion, Christians worshipped safely in Iraq. After the invasion, it’s been a continuous war on Christianity, and the religion has almost been wiped from the country.

You say all this was worth 4500 AMerican lives - and more than a trillion dollars in additional American debt (most of it borrowed from China)?


6 posted on 07/13/2014 10:44:57 PM PDT by WilliamIII
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To: South40
Before we deal with any situation anywhere on the globe, we need to deal with our own problems. First of all, SHUT DOWN THE BORDER, YESTERDAY. Second, get Obama and his regime out of office. They are destroying our country, one step at a time, and most Americans are more informed about the World Cup, the morons in Hollyweird, Big Brother, the Whores of LA, NJ, NY and everywhere else. The American people need to wake up to what's going on here. As far as Iraq burning, if we don't correct our own problems, Iraq won't matter.
7 posted on 07/13/2014 10:45:20 PM PDT by Nitehawk0325 (Close the borders and Obama's mouth.)
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So Rick Perry wants to send US ground forces back to Iraq? Geeze, that’s dumb. In fact, even with those “smart man’s” glasses that he’s taken to wearing, he still doesn’t come across as very bright.


8 posted on 07/13/2014 10:47:41 PM PDT by WilliamIII
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The only things we did wrong in Afghanistan and Iraq were a) not turning Afghanistan into a sheet of glass and, b) not turning Iraq into a sheet of glass.

Total war is the only answer. Otherwise, it ain’t worth the blood and treasure. The Stone Age ain’t good enough for them.


9 posted on 07/13/2014 10:47:53 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: Nitehawk0325

Your rant is spot on! However, I believe Gov. Perry is testing the waters for another presidential run. I have some issues with him, but he’d sure be a heck of a lot better than the marxist-in-chief who currently squats in our WH.


10 posted on 07/13/2014 10:49:06 PM PDT by Catsrus (A)
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To: WilliamIII

Governor Mumbles is not known for making wise choices. In fact, just the opposite is true.


11 posted on 07/13/2014 10:52:15 PM PDT by South40 (Hillary Clinton was a "great secretary of state". - Texas Governor Rick Perry)
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To: reefdiver; Mad Max

Unfortunately there are millions more willing to take their place. Our leaders must come to the realization that Islamic culture is simply not compatible with the institutions, values and practices of the West that emanated from the enlightenment. When confronted with this modernity, Muslim countries descend into chaos and violence. The US when it involves itself in their affairs then becomes the focus of their bitter resentments. Our leaders have to realize they are not “just like us”. There can be no “multiculturalism” domestically.It should not be confused with tolerance. Hostile elements must be excluded and removed from America. American must deal with increasingly chaotic Muslim countries in a realistic manner that actually serves the security concerns of the American people. It also means that the capabilities of the CIA and other services must be restored.


12 posted on 07/13/2014 10:57:11 PM PDT by allendale
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To: WilliamIII

“What did they die for? “

Easy. They died because Republicans didn’t have the guts to fight a war and let Democrats run it by committee.


13 posted on 07/13/2014 11:05:14 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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Wrong. The GOP - Bush - succeeded in what they aimed for: deposing Saddam. They toppled the guy who was Iran’s enemy, and established a Shia gov’t that is Iran’s friend.

That’s what we accomplished. Utter stupidity.

Oh, and it also led to the election of Obama, because the American people turned against Bush and the Iraq disaster.


14 posted on 07/13/2014 11:09:48 PM PDT by WilliamIII
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To: South40
We can't fix the world's problems, and until the late middle of the 20th century, conservatives seemed to understand this.

We can't force democracy on other countries, because they don't have enough invested in it when it starts to go South.

No more American blood for people who won't give their own to defend their own country.No more nation-building for those unwilling to do their own heavy lifting.

15 posted on 07/13/2014 11:10:24 PM PDT by mountainbunny (Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens ~ J.R.R. Tolkien)
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To: WilliamIII
It will be much worse than that in the future. War always spreads culture, and religion. Always and without fail. Bank on it.

We're going to see, to one degree or another, people bringing parts of Middle astern culture and religion back to the US and incorporating it into their lives, and the lives of those around them.

16 posted on 07/13/2014 11:14:02 PM PDT by mountainbunny (Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens ~ J.R.R. Tolkien)
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To: BereanBrain; fieldmarshaldj; TADSLOS; Pelham; F15Eagle; bobby.223; Norm Lenhart; Liz; ...

Does Rick Perry want our troops back in Iraq?


17 posted on 07/13/2014 11:14:11 PM PDT by South40 (Hillary Clinton was a "great secretary of state". - Texas Governor Rick Perry)
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To: WilliamIII

I’m not wrong. The GOP allowed the Dems to run a war and set ROEs. Then soldiers died because of them. Look it up. Ask their families and other surviving soldiers.

Had Bush done what he said, Iraq would be a different place. He caved as always to Dem whining about proportional response and casualties and The Holy Mother Sheehan.


18 posted on 07/13/2014 11:14:46 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Bush got the government he wanted in Iraq. The current president was Bush’s choice. He’s a Shia. He was living in IRan, as guest of the Iranian gov’t, when Saddam was ruling Iraq.

Saddam was Iran’s arch-foe. And Bush decided that we needed to borrow $1 trillion and shed the blood of thousands of American soldiers, to topple him, Bush was a disastrous president - which is why the GOP wouldn’t even show Bush in prime time during the last two Republican Conventions. They know Americans can’t stand him.


19 posted on 07/13/2014 11:17:48 PM PDT by WilliamIII
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Sadly, both Perry and Randy Paul have terrible records on the border, our biggest foreign policy problem.
20 posted on 07/13/2014 11:20:38 PM PDT by iowamark (I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
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