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Laura Ingraham: Pro-Amnesty Republicans 'Not Off the Hook' on Border Crisis
breitbart.com ^ | 7/14/14 | Tony Lee

Posted on 07/15/2014 5:05:51 AM PDT by cotton1706

Conservative talk radio host Laura Ingraham said that pro-amnesty Republicans like Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-TN) who voted for the Senate's amnesty bill are also to blame for the current border crisis.

On Fox News Sunday, Ingraham said the message from many pro-amnesty Republicans has been, "you will be able to stay here."

"Republicans are not off the hook," she said. "If John Boehner had taken this comprehensive reform off the table early on, I don't think he probably would have had as many unaccompanied minors coming here now."

Ingraham emphasized that the "the general sense of that is deportation won't happen even if Republicans are in charge" and the illegal immigrant children will "be able to stay here, go to public schools, get Obamacare."

And on Monday, Ingraham, who was instrumental in powering Dave Brat to his shocking upset over House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA), announced that she was "all in for Joe Carr" against Alexander in next month's primary. Carr has closed the gap and trails Alexander by just seven points in a recent poll conducted by a pro-Carr group.

"I'm all in for Joe Carr," Ingraham said on her show. "I think... he's no nonsense, a citizen legislator he'll be and he'll be someone who will actually listen to the people. Politicians at some point do have to listen to the concerns of the people, not just the concerns of one or two, big, fat, interest groups like either LaRaza or the Chamber of Commerce. The people still count, don't they Lamar?"

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1 posted on 07/15/2014 5:05:51 AM PDT by cotton1706
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2 posted on 07/15/2014 5:07:26 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: cotton1706

Actually it looks like this whole illegal thing is blowing up in the Democraps face big time. Blacks are going absolutely nuts over this. I’m seeing more and more videos like this one every day.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9ixOsjut3E

Will Republicans exploit this though? Yeah right.


3 posted on 07/15/2014 5:09:08 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hitlery: Incarnation of evil.)
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To: cotton1706

I support Joe Carr - do not like Lamar Alexander - or Lindsey Graham or John McCain or any of them - but I don’t follow her logic that they are on the hook for this particular thing. They are on the hook for being dumb basses about what immigration reform would do as written for Obama and Reid, etc - but not on the hook for a bill that never became law, and is not impacting this situation.

This is Obama’s Cloward and Piven strategy, period.


4 posted on 07/15/2014 5:09:41 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: cotton1706

> emphasized that the “the general sense of that is deportation won’t happen even if Republicans are in charge” and the illegal immigrant children will “be able to stay here, go to public schools, get Obamacare.”

While we pay for not being able to afford to buy healthcare for ourselves and getting penalized or it in the process. This situation is an atrocity. How can blacks stand by nd ontinue to support this traitor?


5 posted on 07/15/2014 5:10:43 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I find it VERY ironic that the Feds want churches’ charity to feed and shelter the illegals but kick God in the face every chance they get by promoting abortion, homosexuality, destruction of marriage, pedophelia, etc...


6 posted on 07/15/2014 5:14:42 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: C. Edmund Wright

“but not on the hook for a bill that never became law, and is not impacting this situation.”

Well, I disagree there. The constant and continual promise that “comprehensive immigration reform” will be passed has encouraged these people to keep coming, because once they get here, they won’t be sent back.

And ANY politician who supported “comprehensive immigration reform” is culpable.


7 posted on 07/15/2014 5:15:34 AM PDT by cotton1706 (ThisRepublic.net)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
The number one strategy of the progressives is incrementalism. Pushing a little bit harder every day, week, month, year, decade....

The likes of politicians that Ingraham names (and I include Bush) have never come out strongly in support of border security and stopping these invaders. They all skirted the issue and let the progressives, and the Chamber of Commerce, push them a little bit more each time till we're where we are now.

They can't go back and say, "Look at my record, I've always been for stopping this invasion" because it's simply not true. By looking the other way for the last decade and a half the invasion has become part of the fabric of our society. NOT ONE of these "politicians" ever said a firm "Stop". Ever.

8 posted on 07/15/2014 5:16:12 AM PDT by raybbr (Obamacare needs a death panel.)
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To: cotton1706

I think you are over thinking what these illegals know and think….all they know is Obama said come and you’ll be okay. They know nothing of our congress’ debate.

I’m not excusing Lamar - but there’s plenty of legit things to blame him for.


9 posted on 07/15/2014 5:18:51 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: raybbr

True, but this is NOT incremenatlism…that’s my point. Incrementalism failed, so obama threw the bomb


10 posted on 07/15/2014 5:19:22 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: cotton1706

I have long been a fan of Ingraham, but lately she has been obsessed with the Immigration issue and ignores many other major topics. I used to appreciate her advocacy of Conservatism without being directly involved in candidate advocacy. That however has changed recently and I believe she is beginning to take herself and her importance to campaigns and candidates too seriously.


11 posted on 07/15/2014 5:21:44 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: C. Edmund Wright

It’s been in the news since at least the election in 2012, when Obama was reelected and the republicans didn’t take the senate, everybody was saying “well, I guess we’re going to have to do Amnesty” Then the bill got going and it’s been in the news since.

I don’t care what the illegals thought. Word got to them that Amnesty was going to happen, get to America!

And every politician that supported Amnesty in some form, or to defund the border fence, is responsible.


12 posted on 07/15/2014 5:24:39 AM PDT by cotton1706 (ThisRepublic.net)
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To: cotton1706

Well, that’s a stretch. As angry as I am at all the Republicans who ever worked with Obama and Reid on immigration reform - I just can’t say that they are also in favor of a Cloward Piven strategy. They were wrong, and are wrong - but even McCain and Grahamnesty at their worst would ever allow intentionally propogate something like this.

They were trying to make the best out of a bad situation, and were misguided. The libs are trying to make the bad situation even worse. Big difference, but if you insist on being that angry at Lamar, go ahead.


13 posted on 07/15/2014 5:27:30 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

> Actually it looks like this whole illegal thing is blowing up in the Democraps face big time. Blacks are going absolutely nuts over this. I’m seeing more and more videos like this one every day.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9ixOsjut3E

Will Republicans exploit this though? Yeah right.

Obama has shifted his focus away from his own people / race and redirected it to the new soon to be half of the U.S. population. The black people need to realize that even though Barack may look like them he is nothing like them. He was raised as a white child in a private school for a large part of his life and lived abroad as an Indonesian Muslim for a significant part of hs life. He CANNOT relate to the black experience in the U.S. because he never lived it. Even when he bacame a young man mysterious money paid for him to go to the most prestigious (typically white) universities. Someone was white gloving and grooming him the whole way. He grew up living a life of privilege and never suffered. He cannot relate to them. Even though he claims he attended a black church and was a Christian it turns out that was a sham too so he could get elected. Jeremiah Wright has said that he only rarely attended and that church was not his thing. We now know why. It was to give the false pretense that he was Christian because he needed it to get elected. Had he said he was a Muslim in 2008 he would not be sitting on the throne now.

Black people, you were sold a lie. He doesn’t care about your plight because you only make up 12 % of the population.


14 posted on 07/15/2014 5:32:35 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

This whole massive invasion could boil us down and destroy the country. If it does, I hope to God that every single one of those Pro-Amnesty Hispanics get their homes burned to ashes and bank accounts cleaned as a due reward.

They deserve every little bit of suffering for promoting this lawlessness. Ditto for the libs who opened up our borders in the 1960’s to 3rd worlders as well.

We get exactly what we deserve for being “tolerant” to people who have no business being in the civilized world.


15 posted on 07/15/2014 5:35:39 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Bible Summary in a few verses: John 14:6, John 6:29, Romans 10:9-10)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I think many of the funds he keeps allocating to pay for this and that program are actually being divertec and used to pay off Republicans to turn them into RINOs. It would be a great strategy but very conniving, evil, and treasonous if discovered. Sure it might be difficult to prove without auditing the books but I think that is hat’s happening nonetheless. It’s the only thing that really makes sense that would explain the GOP’s continued failure to act on issue after issue.


16 posted on 07/15/2014 5:39:06 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: jsanders2001

interesting analysis, but I do not think it’s correct. Someone like Alexander is just not conservative any more, not connected to life outside Wasington anymore - and thus is a non factor as a member of the “loyal opposition.” But he’s not a Cloward Piven strategist. Degree of evil matters….A LOT.


17 posted on 07/15/2014 5:41:15 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

“They were wrong, and are wrong - but even McCain and Grahamnesty at their worst would ever allow intentionally propogate something like this.”

Nonsense. They’ve done everything possible to keep the flow going so that pressure builds for their beloved “comprehensive immigration reform.” They rejected any amendment to the bill they cobbled together in secret committee, including a border fence.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/18/senate-rejects-amendment-to-build-border-fence/

They also all voted to defund and gut the Border Fence Act in 2007 when they didn’t get Amnesty on top of it.

Whether they are in on some Cloward/Piven plan or strategy is irrelevant. They are still responsible for causing more of a problem with their “virtual fence,” “we can’t deport 11 million people,” and “we must be humanitarian” talk.


18 posted on 07/15/2014 5:41:20 AM PDT by cotton1706 (ThisRepublic.net)
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To: cotton1706

By the way, Laura Ingraham and Ann Coulter ALWAYS agree with the “can’t deport 11 million” - in fact, they say that no one serious is even suggesting that.

Which is funny, because almost all of those who glom onto the “full Ingraham” on immigration support just that.


19 posted on 07/15/2014 5:44:29 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: cotton1706

And dude, get your facts straight. Only 53 Senators voted against the fence….that means probably no Republicans….1 or 2 at most…..


20 posted on 07/15/2014 5:45:45 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: Travis McGee

Mere “children.”


21 posted on 07/15/2014 5:53:29 AM PDT by kabar
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To: C. Edmund Wright

“And dude, get your facts straight.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/18/border-fence-amendment_n_3461456.html

“The border amendment proposed by Sen. John Thune (R-S.D.) failed 39-54, with “nay” votes coming from the entire “gang of eight” — which includes Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), who famously said in a 2010 ad that the government should “complete the danged fence,” and Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), who has called for more border protections in his own bill.”

McCain, Graham, Flake and Rubio. And this doesn’t even include the vote in 2007 to defund and gut the Border Fence Act.


22 posted on 07/15/2014 5:54:24 AM PDT by cotton1706 (ThisRepublic.net)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
They are on the hook for being dumb basses about what immigration reform would do as written for Obama and Reid, etc - but not on the hook for a bill that never became law, and is not impacting this situation.

The bill was written by the Gang of 8 (acutally by immigration lawyers and La Raza), which included four Republicans--Rubio, McCain, Flake, and Graham .

Of course it is impacting the current situation. The Senate approved amnesty and the pressure is on the House to do something similar. It increases expectations that an amnesty is on the horizon. Boehner and the principles on immigration that came out on January 30 from their three day retreat provides for amnesty.

The principles say "undocumented immigrants" can legally live and work in the country if they register with the federal government and are "willing to admit their culpability." They must pass a "rigorous" criminal background check, pay "significant" fines and back taxes, learn English and civics and prove they can support themselves without government assistance. This is amnesty.

Boehner and a number of GOP congressmen, mainly from California and FL, have been pushing for amnesty thru statements and deed. Jeff Denham, supported by Cantor, introduced the ENLIST bill to allow illegal aliens to join the military and receive citizenship. GOP donors sent a letter to the House requesting amnesty.

And the big fear now is that the Gang of 8 bill could be attached to the Obama request for funds when it goes to conference. And McCaul has already suggested that the bad border bill that came out of his committee should be voted on in the House. The GOPe wants amnesty as bad as the Dems. They view it as a bargaining chip to double the guest worker programs, something included in the Gang of 8 bill.

Anyone who suggests that the Gang of 8 bill is not playing a role in the border crisis is ignorant on the issue. Obama's June 2012 backdoor amnesty for Dreamers is the most influential action that started the migration of unaccompanied minors rolling. Many of these illegal aliens are joining their illegal alien parents and relatives in the US in anticipation of a Gang of 8 bill amnesty. What many people may not know is that if an amnesty passes, tens of millions of family members will be joining their parents and spouses thru chain migration, i.e., family reunification. There are no limits on children and spouses who will be allowed to join their US sponsor almost immediately.

23 posted on 07/15/2014 6:15:29 AM PDT by kabar
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To: jsanders2001

The churches have been contracted by the Federal government and are being paid huge amounts of money for these services. They have been co-opted, which is why most of the large church organizations support amnesty. They see this as a way to get more folks in the pews.


24 posted on 07/15/2014 6:18:06 AM PDT by kabar
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To: cotton1706

Okay, so four Repubs, not 2. Big deal.


25 posted on 07/15/2014 6:32:58 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
Immigration, legal and illegal, has had and will continue to have a major and far-reaching impact across a broad spectrum of existential challenges that confront this nation, e.g., national security, the economy/global competitiveness, jobs, health care, taxes, energy independence, education, entitlement reform, law enforcement, social welfare programs, physical infrastructure, the environment, civil liberties, and a continued sense of national identity/shared sense of endeavor. Immigration is the defining issue of our time with enormous implications for the future of this nation and the preservation of our patrimony. Yet, seldom will you hear immigration mentioned by our political and intellectual elites in connection with solutions to these challenges.

I used to appreciate her advocacy of Conservatism without being directly involved in candidate advocacy.

There is too much at stake not to get involved. Alexander was one of fourteen GOP Senators who voted for the Gang of 8 bill, which will triple legal immigration to 33 million over the next decade and double guest worker programs to 1.4 million a year--all at a time when 21 million Americans are underemployed or unemployed. He needs to be defeated. I suggest you read the following study from the Eagle Forum:

How Mass (Legal) Immigration Dooms a Conservative Republican Party

26 posted on 07/15/2014 6:34:02 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

“The churches have been contracted by the Federal government and are being paid huge amounts of money for these services. They have been co-opted, which is why most of the large church organizations support amnesty. They see this as a way to get more folks in the pews.”

Fools; they can come to my town and see the storefront churches set up by these people. They have no use for the church, unless it will educate their children. We’re closing churches now, and this is happening in an area that is more “Catholic” than it was fifty years ago.


27 posted on 07/15/2014 6:34:06 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

Immigration is the WHOLE ball of wax! Forget everything else! Amnesty at any level will sink this country for generations.


28 posted on 07/15/2014 6:34:29 AM PDT by SgtHooper (This is not my tag!)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
By the way, Laura Ingraham and Ann Coulter ALWAYS agree with the “can’t deport 11 million” - in fact, they say that no one serious is even suggesting that. Which is funny, because almost all of those who glom onto the “full Ingraham” on immigration support just that.

The proponents of amnesty are wont to create the false choice between a blanket amnesty and mass deportation of 12 to 20 million illegal aliens. In reality, we have other choices and alternatives that don’t reward people who have broken our laws with the right to stay and work here and an eventual path to citizenship. The 12 to 20 million illegal aliens did not enter this country overnight and they will not leave overnight. Attrition through enforcement works. We have empirical data from Georgia, Oklahoma, Alabama, and Arizona proving that it does.

29 posted on 07/15/2014 6:37:58 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
The proponents of amnesty are wont to create the false choice between a blanket amnesty and mass deportation of 12 to 20 million illegal aliens.

That I agree with, that proponents will create a false choice. I also think on the other side, there is an element of "deport them all now" folks who fail to recognize the logistical impossibilty of that, not to mention the fact that once this started happening - which it won't - people now in favor of deport would recoil when they realized how many members of their church, little league, PTA, etc, are impacted. My only point is that many who jump in with Laura on this, do not actually agree with Laura on much of this.

30 posted on 07/15/2014 6:43:15 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: C. Edmund Wright; cotton1706
The 2006 Secure Fence Act was introduced on Sep. 13, 2006 by Peter T. King (R-NY). In the House of Representatives, the Fence Act passed 283 -138 on September 14, 2006. On September 29, 2006 – the Fence Act passed in the Senate 80 -19.

Even Hillary and Obama voted for the bill, which was just before the 2006 midterms The elections resulted in the loss of Congress for the GOP. It was Kay Bailey Hutchinson who helped amend the law a year later that effectively neutered it. The Secure Fence Act was was passed for the optics it provided before the midterms. There is no real support for actually securing the border. It is just obligatory, meaningless political rhetoric.

31 posted on 07/15/2014 6:51:19 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Understood….but I think we can all agree that there is much more focus and much more information on these issues now than in 2006. That’s a long time ago on this issue, which really started bubbling around 2005 I think.

Having said that, nothing good ever comes from Peter King. He’s even worse now than he was in 06.

And again, my narrow point here was that Ingraham is wrong in her equivalency, not her main philsophy. Dante indicated that hell has strata based on severity of crime. I think our scorn should too…..that’s all I’m saying.


32 posted on 07/15/2014 6:56:43 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
I also think on the other side, there is an element of "deport them all now" folks who fail to recognize the logistical impossibilty of that, not to mention the fact that once this started happening - which it won't - people now in favor of deport would recoil when they realized how many members of their church, little league, PTA, etc, are impacted.

The "deport them all now folks" are small in number and certainly no one in Congress is saying that. Attrition thru enforcement or as Romney less than artfully said, self-deportation, should be the response. Otherwise, if you conclude like you do that the logistics and politics are too difficult to overcome, you are left with only one choice--a blanket amnesty like we had in 1986.

Any legislation that allows the lawbreakers to stay and work here, the object of their crimes, is amnesty. So what would you do with the 12 to 20 million who are here "in the shadows" or "members of their church, little league, PTA, etc.?"

33 posted on 07/15/2014 7:00:59 AM PDT by kabar
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To: C. Edmund Wright
I also think on the other side, there is an element of "deport them all now" folks who fail to recognize the logistical impossibilty of that, not to mention the fact that once this started happening - which it won't - people now in favor of deport would recoil when they realized how many members of their church, little league, PTA, etc, are impacted.

The "deport them all now folks" are small in number and certainly no one in Congress is saying that. Attrition thru enforcement or as Romney less than artfully said, self-deportation, should be the response. Otherwise, if you conclude like you do that the logistics and politics are too difficult to overcome, you are left with only one choice--a blanket amnesty like we had in 1986.

Any legislation that allows the lawbreakers to stay and work here, the object of their crimes, is amnesty. So what would you do with the 12 to 20 million who are here "in the shadows" or "members of their church, little league, PTA, etc.?"

34 posted on 07/15/2014 7:02:13 AM PDT by kabar
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To: jsanders2001
How can blacks stand by nd ontinue to support this traitor?

Blacks support him 98 percent and always will. And he's no "traitor", but a hero in their eyes. Like when Bob Dole spoke of "Democrat wars" and later tried in vain to declare FDR was one of his "heroes."

35 posted on 07/15/2014 7:08:30 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Liberals keep winning; so the American people must now be all-liberal all the time.)
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To: cotton1706

Why doesn’t Congress use the following to solve the border problem? This is from the Constitution.

Congress shall:
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;


36 posted on 07/15/2014 7:10:09 AM PDT by JayAr36 (OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER WHEN THIS A FREE COUNTRY)
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To: JayAr36

“Why doesn’t Congress use the following to solve the border problem? This is from the Constitution.”

1. because the Congress likes this happening
2. If the House passed something, the Senate wouldn’t
3. If the House and Senate came together and did something, the president would veto it.


37 posted on 07/15/2014 7:46:47 AM PDT by cotton1706 (ThisRepublic.net)
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To: cotton1706

It is a Congressional power!


38 posted on 07/15/2014 7:54:28 AM PDT by JayAr36 (OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER WHEN THIS A FREE COUNTRY)
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To: JayAr36

“It is a Congressional power!”

Yes, but the Congress does not work in a vacuum. And they must do things BY LAW.

The Congress can “provide for a militia,” they can create a militia, and they can create an army, but only by law.

The Congress has absolutely no authority to send troops or people of any type on it’s own. That function is vested in the Executive, as it should be.

During the Cleveland Administration, the Congress was going to declare war on Spain. Cleveland said, go ahead, but I won’t send the Army or Navy.

Yes, the Congress has power but it only has the power to make law on its own if it has the numbers to override the executive, and even then, the president cannot be compelled to act.


39 posted on 07/15/2014 8:04:34 AM PDT by cotton1706 (ThisRepublic.net)
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To: cotton1706

bump


40 posted on 07/15/2014 8:05:45 AM PDT by GOPJ (A ship once out of port is hard to capture:know this now before it is too late. - Solon)
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To: kabar

My solution is this: secure the border for real, stop government hand outs and benefits to non citizens, deport felons as arrested. If we did that, and just that, this situation would unravel itself in 2-3-4 years to a large degree. It would not be perfect, but there would be a vast improvement.

This situation evolved over 60 years of a porous border. There is absolutely nothing that will make it go away quickly. There just isn’t.


41 posted on 07/15/2014 8:16:21 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
40% of illegals got here legally and overstayed their visas. We need to implement fully the US-VISIT program passed in 1996 to track and deport visa overstays.

That said, what you are advocating is attrition thru enforcement. I agree with that. No legalization period and enforce our laws. We should also make e-verify mandatory--not voluntary as it is now and then really crack down on employers who knowingly hire illegals. Shut off the job magnet.

42 posted on 07/15/2014 8:24:02 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Yes, e verify would be a good addition - but to me, not quite as important as cutting the bennies. This flood now has zip zero nada to do with jobs…this has all to do with freebies, period.


43 posted on 07/15/2014 8:26:03 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: Travis McGee

Oh, those poor children!


44 posted on 07/15/2014 8:29:04 AM PDT by MileHi
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To: kabar

We also need to enact laws for all the greedy biz owners who hire millions of these people, over and over, as they count their profits on the backs of tax payers.

And end public assistance for anyone here illegally.

The evil corrupt have attempted to stop measures such as these at every turn. We need to force these businesses into mandatory verification of citizenship for every single employee. Like a mandatory E-verify with teeth..

Otherwise thousands of these criminal biz owners will continue to bait millions of these illegals to enter.

If caught hiring illegals, they need major fines, 2nd violations we seize their businesses and jail their butts.


45 posted on 07/15/2014 8:30:09 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: kabar

A mandatory E-Verify with teeth has everything to do with this, as this epic government sponsored elimination of the American middle class has been underway and been ramping up for 30+ years.

Fine them, and then seize their f***ing businesses and jail them if they fail to get the message.

This is a must!


46 posted on 07/15/2014 8:38:40 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Yes, e verify would be a good addition - but to me, not quite as important as cutting the bennies.

According to federal law, illegals are not entitled to any federal welfare benefits. In most cases the adult illegals get such benefits thru their American born children (aka anchor babies.) The estimated number of anchor babies born annually ranges from 300,000 to 400,000. And even legal immigrants must wait five years before becoming eligible. Legal immigrants use welfare programs to a significantly greater extent than the native born.

The job magnet is the greatest attraction for both legal immigrants and illegal aliens. The fact is that over $120 billion a year is sent from the US to other countries. Mexico tops the list with $22.8 billion a year. Most of the money for the remittances is earned by working immigrants.

The top eleven countries receiving remittances from the US in 2012 are Mexico ($22.8 billion), China ($13 billion), India ($12 billion), Philippines ($10.6 billion), Nigeria ($6 billion), Vietnam ($5.7 billion), South Korea ($5.7 billion), Guatemala ($4.4 billion), El Salvador ($3.6 billion); Dominican Republic ($2.7 billion), and Honduras ($2.3 billion).

The remittances are from both legal immigrants and illegal aliens. $120 billion is being sent out of the US economy to other countries. It dwarfs foreign aid.

$123,273,000,000 in remittances were sent from United States to other countries in 2012.

This flood now has zip zero nada to do with jobs…this has all to do with freebies, period.

Nonsense. First, where do you think the families came up with the money to finance this migration? And close to half of them are joining relatives in the US who presumably have jobs. If you cut off the jobs, you will prevent most illegal immigration.

In a trafficking situation, the child is a victim and an involuntary commodity being moved across the border for an illegal purpose such as servitude or prostitution. But a leaked Immigration and Customs Enforcement intelligence report confirms that most of the children who arrive unaccompanied are smuggled, not trafficked: “Unaccompanied children are typically smuggled to the United States by human smuggling networks through established routes . . . the fees for which are most likely paid for by [their] family members residing in the United States.” The smuggling is a deplorable scenario, but it is not the same thing as trafficking.

The same ICE report reveals that about 43 percent of the unaccompanied minors are reunited with a parent soon after arriving in the United States. Under the law, an unaccompanied child is defined as one who is under the age of 18 and without a parent or legal guardian in the United States to care for him. It can reasonably be argued that upon reunification, the child should again be considered part of a family unit. That means if the custodial parents were to be deported, it would be in the best interests of the child to accompany them back to their homeland.

What we are really seeing is a reuniting of children and spouses with illegal aliens in the US in anticipation of an amnesty, de facto or by law. Obama is getting ready to use "prosecutorial discretion" to provide legal status to more than 7 million using the same rationale he did for DACA. Such a legalization would provide work permits and SSNs, just like for the estimated 560,000 DACA recipients approved to date.

We need to cut off the jobs more than the benefits, which are prohibited in most cases anyway.

47 posted on 07/15/2014 12:49:51 PM PDT by kabar
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Now the various kinds of welfare are the greater attraction. None of these kids, these 80 thousand kids or whatever, are coming for jobs. Many jobs have been lost since 2007 too. I doubt jobs have been greatest attraction since California started doling out the benefits bigtime, though it was for a long time.

Besides, the welfare cases are the most devastating to the economy.


48 posted on 07/15/2014 1:10:33 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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Now the various kinds of welfare are the greater attraction. None of these kids, these 80 thousand kids or whatever, are coming for jobs.

The attraction for the "children," many of whom are teenagers, is that they are being reunited with their parent. There has been a large number of what they call family units, mothers with their children. If the 43% number is true, i.e., 43% of those coming across are joining their relatives, then this is the motivation. And there is no doubt that the signal sent by Obama's DACA amnesty in 2012 was that all you needed to do was to get here while under 16 and you can stay. In fact, that is a correct perception.

Historical ICE deportation records show a steady decline in the number of youths (under age 18) removed from 2008 to 2013. The number of Central American minors deported declined despite the increased number of minors arriving over the last several years. Ninety-four percent of the Central American minors deported in 2013 were originally arrested by the Border Patrol (not by ICE in the interior). The number of deported youths here refers to any alien aged 17 or younger at the time of deportation.

So specifically, what welfare benefits are the "children" seeking? Why are we not being flooded by Mexican children? Why the surge since 2012?

Many jobs have been lost since 2007 too. I doubt jobs have been greatest attraction since California started doling out the benefits bigtime, though it was for a long time.

Jobs with higher pay are THE attraction for adult legal immigrants and illegal aliens. Yes, both use welfare to a greater extent than the native born, but immigrants are getting the jobs and the native born are not getting the jobs. You can work and still receive welfare.

77 percent of immigrants from El Salvador (ages 25 to 54) have a job, as do 74 percent of Guatemalan immigrants and 73 percent of Honduran immigrants. The corresponding figure for natives is 76 percent.

Besides, the welfare cases are the most devastating to the economy.

Our legal immigration policies import poverty. 20% of the adult legal immigrants lack a high school diploma. We have been bringing in 1.1 million legal immigrants for almost 25 years. And when you increase the supply of labor, you put more native born on welfare because the immigrants are taking their jobs and depressing wages.


49 posted on 07/15/2014 3:43:45 PM PDT by kabar
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SHOCK VIDEO>>> Illegals Arrive in Bus and Shop at Walmart With EBT Cards--North Carolina

Sylvia Locklear was on her lunch break Sunday afternoon around 1:30 p.m. when she noticed something strange happening in the parking lot of Walmart in Concord, NC – there was busloads of what appeared to be adult illegal immigrants being dropped off to shop for everything from food to pillows and blankets. Angered by her discovery, Sylvia decided she was going to investigate a little further, and what she found should outrage every American citizen.

In the video above, Sylvia can be heard talking to another person who presumably was curious about what was going on, so she explained to them that prior to taking the video she had tried to talk to the people on the bus. Not only could they barely speak English, but one of them had said they had just arrived in America.

We all know that this has been happening, however, the sheriff of her town had said that they weren’t allowing any illegals to be shipped in, so it would appear as if the Obama regime is once again placing undue burdens on the states and not even letting them know what’s going on. What’s worse is that in the comments under the video she posted to Facebook, Sylvia said that when she was in line behind them that they were using government-issued EBT cards to pay for their purchases.

50 posted on 07/15/2014 4:14:31 PM PDT by kabar
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