Skip to comments.Ron Paul: If MH17 Missile Was Russian, So What? ISIS Has U.S. Weapons
Posted on 07/18/2014 7:27:12 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
While both the Ukrainian and Russian governments continue to point fingers at one another for the MH17 crash, former Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX) urged caution Friday against jumping to any conclusions about where blame lies.
Some American pundits accuse Vladimir Putin of having blood on his hands since the missile that took down the Malaysia Airlines flight may have been a Russian weapon given to pro-Russian separatists in Ukraine.
Speaking with Newsmax TVs John Bachman earlier today, Paul said Putin is a little bit smarter than that. I dont think he would ever come close to participating in an act like this.
At the same time, there have been these new sanctions from the White House, Bachman replied. And there have been a lot of fingers pointed in Putins direction for not directly being involved but being complicit with the fact that some of these weapons he might turn his back to it but theyre Russian weapons.
Pauls response: That may well be true, but guess what? ISIS has a lot of American weapons. We send weapons into Syria to help the rebels and if al Qaeda ends up getting it, it doesnt mean our American government and Obama deliberately wanted ISIS to get American weapons.
Putin does arm terrorists in Ukraine.
We arm terrorists all the time and anybody who thinks we don’t is a freakin moron.
What was that CIA compound all about in Benghazi?
The person who owns the BEST knowledge of the full depth of covert transfer of US weapons to the crazies is OBAMA, right?
Put your thinking caps on, people:
He’s treacherous, sure, but was that the ONLY reason his first reaction to the MH17 shoot-down was soooo muted ?
Isn’t it more likely that his current behavior is LOGICAL, given something SECRET..?
4 Americans died at Benghazi, but the terrorist Kadaffy murdered dozens of innocent American civilians.
Putin arms America’s enemies all the time and anybody who thinks he doesn’t is a dupe and a useful idiot.
Is Mr. Delusional still around?
Rare, but Ron Paul NAILS IT here.
If Russia fired the weapon, they should be blamed. If Ukrainians (of either side) fired the weapon, then THEY should be blamed, not Russia.
But the REAL BLAME belongs with the airline, for flying over an ACTIVE COMBAT ZONE where planes had just recently been shot down.
In other words, if I’m a 25 year old woman that decides to walk to downtown Baltimore from a few miles out, at 2 in the morning, and I get raped - yes, technically, it is the fault of the rapist. But I am still raped and have to live with it, for the rest of my life.
“4 Americans died at Benghazi, but the terrorist Kadaffy murdered dozens of innocent American civilians.”
Kadaffy got punished, ultimately...any word on our people that caused and then covered up Benghazi?
Nobody here said he didn’t you moron.
Who is the worst, Obama or Putin?
I would never have guessed that I would rate a U.S. President as more evil than a Russian leader but I do.
We don’t arm the Syrians. That’s why Assad is still in power.
Putin is a mass murderer. Obama is nothing but a faggot punk.
Have to agree.
Let us suppose for a moment that a plane full of Americans was shot down in Iraq during a landing, by one of the MANPADS we provided to Islamists.
What would the reaction be?
Obviously we would be rightly outrage at McShame and Obama for allowing those weapons to be given to terrorists, but the bigger question would be WHY any plane with Americans was in Iraq.
These separatists in Ukraine committed a disgusting and atrocious act, murdering men women and children. The fact that Putin is now trying to cover it up to some degree is a disgrace and he should be held to account.
But I also want to know WHY Ukrainian air traffic control signed off on diverting that plane over rebel territory when they KNEW that this weaponry was in the hands of the separatists. The separatists are the murderers here, but Ukrainian air traffic control signed these people’s death warrant.
Let me know when your imaginary scenario actually happens. Meanwhile, Putin’s atrocities are the reality we have to deal with now.
Obviously the Russian trained terrorists stole the BAM from Russia and then when they were caught using it they kindly retuned it to Russia with their apologies and a full tank of gas.
Where do these idiots come from? Is it the fluoride in the water?
Pretty sure American weapons were used in the attack on Benghazi. No weapons should be given to Muslims under any circumstances.
You’re pretty sure, huh? Where did you hear that, infowars.com?
Obama has set a raging fire from Pakistan to Tunisia and we’re supposed to worry about a domestic dispute by two marginally different brands of Russians.
Meanwhile our borders are wide open and both Russians and Iranians are turning up all over south and central America.
Our problems are a lot closer to home and anybody who wants to district us with the red on red violence of eastern Europe is willfully helping Obama or too damn stupid to know better.
Suppose there was a black box with a red button on it. If that button could be pushed and all White Christians would immediately die, I would rather have Putin holding it than Obama.
The more I hear about this guy the less I like him-
Putin would push the button on all Americans, black or white, Christian or not.
“Citizens Committee on Benghazi claims the US government allowed arms to flow to al-Qaeda-linked militants who opposed Muammar Gaddafi. Their rise to power, the group says, led to the Benghazi attack in 2012. The group claims the strongman Gaddafi offered to abdicate his presidency, but the US refused to broker his peaceful exit. The commission, part of the center-right Accuracy In Media group, concluded that the Benghazi attack was a failed kidnapping plot. US Ambassador Chris Stevens was to be captured and traded for blind sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman, who hatched the 1993 WTC bombing plot.
The Citizens Commission on Benghazi, a self-selected group of former top military officers, CIA insiders and think-tankers, declared Tuesday in Washington that a seven-month review of the deadly 2012 terrorist attack has determined that it could have been prevented if the U.S. hadnt been helping to arm al-Qaeda militias throughout Libya a year earlier.
The United States switched sides in the war on terror with what we did in Libya, knowingly facilitating the provision of weapons to known al-Qaeda militias and figures, Clare Lopez, a member of the commission and a former CIA officer, told MailOnline.”
Notice how every minute there is a new crisis that eclipses the old crisis? Obama presidency in action
Putin can wipe out our entire civilization in minutes with nuclear weapons, but some drooling imbeciles would rather shiver in fear of stupid cave-dwelling haji ragheads.
Obama’s first reaction was muted because HE KNOWS something just like this is in store for the USA, right here at home.
HE knows what he gave the enemy.
Hell, he probably even knows the person who will give the order, he might even know the attack timing, etc.
Sarah said it best —WE are his “battered wife” and we have been BAD.
There is a ***REASON*** for his “Post-MH17 Jokey Speech”.
THINK ABOUT IT.
I’m thinking some of that ‘missing’ Mexican nuclear material has found a way across the border along with those headlice.
Detonation + martial law = King Obama
How many were taken in the Benghazi attack?
Yeah, that Kadaffy guy who killed dozens of innocent American civilians, he was on our side. He was one of the “good muslims.”
“But I also want to know WHY Ukrainian air traffic control signed off on diverting that plane over rebel territory when they KNEW that this weaponry was in the hands of the separatists. The separatists are the murderers here, but Ukrainian air traffic control signed these peoples death warrant.”
If this were Gaza and Israel shot down the plane, the answer would be simple - they died martyrs in the cause of making Israel look bad. Maybe something like that is at work here - but we’ll likely never know.
And that justifies arming Al Qaeda, why? We could have just... not armed them.
Nobody should be giving weapons to crazy terror groups anywhere in the world for whatever purpose.
He really does have a point, doesn’t he?
Too soon to assert that, but I demand an explanation by Ukraine as to why this plane was sent over an area where their military planes had been shot down just days before.
I really, really wish I could call you nuts, I really do.
But after F&F, Bengazi, IRS, ChildGate ?
The man is capable of ANYTHING and I think you and many others now have been thinking the same thing.
Nothing is impossible with this Very Angry Man.
He’s a puppet of powers bigger than himself. Remember how Soros makes his millions.
We didn’t arm al-qaeda. We didn’t have to because we bombed Libya to bits.
If he said Libya it might make some sense. Ron is proof that mood altering drugs have their drawbacks.
On Syria Obama went for his buddy Putin's help.
Putin can wipe out our entire civilization in minutes with nuclear weapons.
So why hasn’t he done so?
400 Libyan MANPADS were taken at Benghazi, confirmed.
But then also some really top-shelf US *recent* manufacture Stingers also trickled their way to the baddies via Qatar (they found a complete serial # tab lodged in the engine nacelle of a US CH-47 that crash-landed in Afghanistan).
The wild card is the other 15,000+ older WTO-bloc MANPADS that had been floating around Libya.
ALL these missiles are outside the USA .?
That would surprise me.
The Turks were also sending Stingers to the “moderate” terrorists in Syria. Turkey makes them under contract with us. In fact there are some 30 nations that are known to use Stinger missiles.
The Turks are a terror government. They should never have been admitted into NATO.
Ron Paul is an idiot, ISIS isn’t trying to conquer Canada for us and being led by us.
On THAT, we agree. It's amazing how easily Americans are terrified.
Have you heard of the Cold War, and how the assurance that we could make Russia cease to exist, deterred them from Nuking us, which led them to focus on conventional warfare to conquer Europe and the world?
“Ron Paul is an idiot, ISIS isnt trying to conquer Canada for us and being led by us.”
Definitely an idiot, but right on this one. His point is that there is NO UPSIDE to Putin shooting down a passenger jet. The world already knows that Putin (or us, and probably a few dozen other countries) can bring civil aviation to its knees if he wants to...so why do it?