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Hamas Fighters Slip Through Tunnels, Killing 2 Israeli Troops
The New York Times ^ | July 19, 2014 | Anne Barnard and Jodi Rudoren

Posted on 07/19/2014 10:56:26 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: alloysteel

Tear gas is not unfair under the Geneva Conventions; if I recall correctly, it’s permissible.


21 posted on 07/19/2014 12:17:24 PM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: bunkerhill7

They be whipping up on them bad boys.

You can see the arty flashes and missile strikes and flares and you can hear the drones buzzing around.


22 posted on 07/19/2014 12:49:38 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Not suicidal, they have tactical weapons capable of wiping out entire armies with no harm to theselves.


23 posted on 07/19/2014 1:10:23 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Israel probably has 200 fission nuclear weapons. No fusion (thermonuclear) weapons, as they are much more expensive and difficult, and they have no enemies big enough to need one.

This being said, what they need in this case are thermobaric or fuel air explosives. Much like killing gophers in a hole, you spray a lot of propane gas into a tunnel, then toss in a hand grenade. First, there is a massive overpressure, as all the air inside the tunnel is combusted, then the ceiling and walls collapse.

In their place, I would get a heavy vehicle with a large propane tank strongly secured horizontally in the back, with a quick release pressure valve. Spray it down the hole (propane is heavier than air), until about 10 pounds of gas are down there. Then move away from the tunnel entrance and pitch in the grenade. Pop.

If there is equipment or weapons down there that have to be destroyed, you use a thermobaric weapon to raise the tunnel temperature to perhaps 800-1000F for some seconds.


24 posted on 07/19/2014 1:17:10 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There are tools that use sound waves, I think, to detect fault lines over a wide area underground. They might detect tunnels too.


25 posted on 07/19/2014 1:35:59 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

I know for a fact that they have both and in the numbers I stated earlier. Their SLBMs are nuclear but they have the big boys, joining the elite club of only about half a dozen nations.


26 posted on 07/19/2014 3:54:39 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Things change. I don’t suppose I am particularly surprised. At some point Israel probably considered that one of the “power players” in the world would try and blackmail them to surrender their nukes. But that might only work if they had fission weapons. Everybody is intimidated by fusion weapons.


27 posted on 07/19/2014 7:16:13 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: alloysteel

I have no problem suggesting sarin or VX or mustard. None whatsoever.


28 posted on 07/19/2014 7:17:55 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

As you probably already know the “trigger” for an “H-Bomb” is an “A-Bomb” located inside. Two or three more “Tsar Bomba” size tests and we’d all probably be dead.


29 posted on 07/19/2014 7:21:45 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: Lurker; alloysteel

Isn’t “roach spray” just essentially very watered-down VX? How appropriate.


30 posted on 07/19/2014 7:23:12 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: alloysteel

How about carbon monoxide? Odorless, tasteless, deadly...


31 posted on 07/19/2014 7:26:49 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Twists and turn to that one. Tsar Bomba was designed to be 100mt, but was modified to be between 50-58mt. And almost its entire force was from fusion, so it made very little fallout, especially being detonated at about 4km as an air burst.

So, if it was popped at full force in a ground burst, it would be far more dirty and dangerous, but it is still questionable that three of them could wipe out mankind.


32 posted on 07/19/2014 7:56:50 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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