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The Russian Public Has a Totally Different Understanding of What Happened to MH17
TNR ^ | 07/21/2014 | Julia Ioffe

Posted on 07/21/2014 7:45:35 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Did you know Malaysia Air Flight 17 was full of corpses when it took off from Amsterdam? Did you know that, for some darkly inexplicable reason, on July 17, MH17 moved off the standard flight path that it had taken every time before, and moved north, toward rebel-held areas outside Donetsk? Or that the dispatchers summoned the plane lower just before the crash? Or that the plane had been recently reinsured? Or that the Ukrainian army has air defense systems in the area? Or that it was the result of the Ukrainian military mistaking MH17 for Putin’s presidential plane, which looks strangely similar?

Did you know that the crash of MH17 was all part of an American conspiracy to provoke a big war with Russia?

Well, it’s all trueat least if you live in Russia, because this is the Malaysia Airlines crash story that you’d be seeing.

As the crisis surrounding the plane crash deepens and as calls for Vladimir Putin to act grow louder, it’s worth noting that they’re not really getting through to Putin’s subjects. The picture of the catastrophe that the Russian people are seeing on their television screens is very different from that on screens in much of the rest of the world, and the discrepancy does not bode well for a sane resolution to this stand-off.

Western media has been vacillating for days between calling Putin a murderer and peppering their coverage with allegedlys, telling the heart-rending tales of the victims, scrounging for anonymous leaks to link the Russians to the downed jet, and punditizing about exit ramps.

But in Russia, television—most of it owned or controlled by the Kremlin—is trying to muddy the water with various experts


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: malaysiaairlines; mh17; russia; ukraine

1 posted on 07/21/2014 7:45:35 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The plane full of dead people was taken right from the plot of one of the recent Sherlock Holmes remakes. It was part of Mycroft’s elaborate anti-terrorist plan.


2 posted on 07/21/2014 7:54:20 AM PDT by DManA
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To: SeekAndFind

Is Russia getting their news from infotards.com?

Probably...


3 posted on 07/21/2014 7:56:29 AM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: SeekAndFind

So pretty soon the “truthers” will figure out how to blame Americans, Bush, Chaney and Rumsfeld too.


4 posted on 07/21/2014 7:56:37 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: pfflier

Yep. Truthers/Newthers have a strange resemblance to their Soviet counterparts.


5 posted on 07/21/2014 7:59:08 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: SeekAndFind

Soon the MH17 Truthers will arise to deny that there ever was an MH17 —


6 posted on 07/21/2014 8:01:18 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: SeekAndFind
The commie lame stream press lies, whether in Russia or the USofA.
It's who they are.
It's what they do.
7 posted on 07/21/2014 8:11:07 AM PDT by Amagi (Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.")
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To: Uncle Chip

What happened with early reports that 23 Americans were on board?


8 posted on 07/21/2014 8:12:54 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, now we know where Casey Kasem’s body disappeared to. Blah, this is nothing but journalistic hogwash.


9 posted on 07/21/2014 8:13:23 AM PDT by bgill
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To: SeekAndFind

Russia may be flying propaganda, but I’ll contend that so is the eneMedia of the USA.

I’m still not convinced that it was a surface-to-air missile that destroyed the plane. But that’s the only explanation being spewed by our information “betters.” Am I the only one who has realized that these people are now pathological liars?


10 posted on 07/21/2014 8:14:28 AM PDT by fwdude (The last time the GOP ran an "extremist," Reagan won 44 states.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

That was to get the anger ramped up for 24 hours before the truth came out.

How it goes from 23 to one guy with dual citizenship is mystifying, but then we are talking about Malaysian Airlines. Cluster fluke is very possible.

One thing for certain, people should not get on one of their planes.


11 posted on 07/21/2014 8:19:10 AM PDT by dforest
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To: fwdude

I dunno.

Obummer is currently (11:20am eastern) indoctrinating us via the TV mind control system.


12 posted on 07/21/2014 8:20:22 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Turned out to be untrue —

There was only one American — and he was really a Dutch citizen with dual Dutch/American citizenship.


13 posted on 07/21/2014 8:20:51 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: fwdude

No, it isn’t just you. Amazing how people who know our media are liars and WH shills believe them now. It is also the reason that many are skeptical. Not that it matters.

Kerry is on it, the truth will out.


14 posted on 07/21/2014 8:21:15 AM PDT by dforest
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To: SeekAndFind
So...the Rooskie media is corrupt, too ?
15 posted on 07/21/2014 8:22:18 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: fwdude

The available public info has rebels claiming a strike minutes after. The details are arguable but that to me indicates they hit it. Only a Buk or similar could hit it. The corpse thing is a hearsay claim.

There’s little chance it was anything other than pro Russian rebels.


16 posted on 07/21/2014 8:23:11 AM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: PieterCasparzen
He just finished speaking from the Whitehouse..AGAIN! Regarding Ukraine and Russia.

Summary: Obama ‘chit-chats’ with the public.

17 posted on 07/21/2014 8:28:47 AM PDT by caww
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To: DManA

You’re right.


18 posted on 07/21/2014 8:34:46 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Bogey78O
The available public information has been filtered through the filthy media (again, the liars.) Sorry, but at the present we effectively have a total media blackout of the true facts about anything not directly witnessed by objective citizens.
19 posted on 07/21/2014 8:34:55 AM PDT by fwdude (The last time the GOP ran an "extremist," Reagan won 44 states.)
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To: dforest

Our media are liars, but so is Russia’s


20 posted on 07/21/2014 8:39:01 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: ilovesarah2012

They weren’t. Some of those passengers might have begun their trips in the US, I guess and that was probably where the information came from.


21 posted on 07/21/2014 8:40:11 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL

Absolutely.


22 posted on 07/21/2014 8:40:19 AM PDT by dforest
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To: dforest

These are the first questions that goes through the mind of the Leftist media before they utter one word on a story:

- How will the truth of this information advance our Leftist agenda?
- If not, now can we modify this into “truth” that will?


23 posted on 07/21/2014 8:41:14 AM PDT by fwdude (The last time the GOP ran an "extremist," Reagan won 44 states.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

yes.

The Russian media is almost totally controlled from the Kremlin these days.


24 posted on 07/21/2014 8:41:19 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
So...the Rooskie media is corrupt, too ?

"Our" media revered and emulated the Soviet state propaganda model with predictable results.

25 posted on 07/21/2014 8:46:52 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: ilovesarah2012

There were never such reports in European press. As far as I remember it was just ABC News that wrote Americans instead of Australians.


26 posted on 07/21/2014 8:49:04 AM PDT by Krosan
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To: fwdude

And the narrative is laid out between all sources that will be used to shape public opinion to buy their horsecrap.

I am always skeptical when all the ducks in a row are laid out and decided on instantaneously.

There is a truth out there, but I doubt we will ever really get the facts. This will blow over when the next crisis hits. Probably won’t be long. It is nonstop.

CNN will speculate for weeks in order to bypass the other news. LOL Pretty soon they will have a space ship probably done it.


27 posted on 07/21/2014 8:50:23 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Krosan

FOX also reported 23 dead Americans. Unconfirmed though.


28 posted on 07/21/2014 8:51:22 AM PDT by dforest
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To: DManA

I’d forgotten about that.
I’m wondering if the baggage had Kuala Lumper to Beijing tags?


29 posted on 07/21/2014 9:15:21 AM PDT by jim999
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

RE: So...the Rooskie media is corrupt, too ?

PRAVDA has always been LOZH’ in reality.


30 posted on 07/21/2014 9:15:41 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: GeronL; Eric in the Ozarks; dforest

RE: The Russian media is almost totally controlled from the Kremlin these days.

Any Russian reporter who tries to report the truth suddenly finds himself or herself DEAD.

The list is so long that I can’t even post it here.

But click on this link to see their names and under what circumstances they died:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia


31 posted on 07/21/2014 9:19:57 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: SeekAndFind

One Putin opponent was poisoned with radiation until he turned blue!


32 posted on 07/21/2014 9:22:19 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: SeekAndFind

You mean like Andrew Breibart and that other journalist in the car crash in California? Our media is almost all run out of the WH anymore.

I am fully aware of all the propaganda news media from almost all countries. You don’t look to them for the truth.

The truth is somewhere between all the lines.


33 posted on 07/21/2014 9:23:54 AM PDT by dforest
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To: SeekAndFind

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_media#Ownership_structure

The top TV networks and news services are state-owned


34 posted on 07/21/2014 9:48:01 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: AppyPappy
Apparently ron paul is working very hard to make that association.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ron-paul-defends-russia-malaysian-151731466.html

35 posted on 07/21/2014 9:55:51 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: fwdude

It really wasn’t the media that reported that. The guy bragged about it online before the flight was reported gone.


36 posted on 07/21/2014 10:09:01 AM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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