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Airbnb user turns squatter: Woman facing legal battle to get vacationer out of her Palm Springs home
UK Daily Mail ^ | July 21, 2014 | Staff

Posted on 07/22/2014 6:49:34 AM PDT by C19fan

A California Airbnb host says a guest is squatting in her 600-square-foot Palm Springs condo and is now threatening to sue her. Cory Tschogl, 39, described the situation as a 'horror story' and says she begged Airbnb for help through scores of emails and phone calls but the accommodation marketplace failed to get the renter out. He now has renters' protection under California law because he's been there longer than 30 days and it'll take three to six months, a lawyer and thousands of dollars to evict him.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; US: California
KEYWORDS: airbnb; squatter
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In states like CA and NY with crazy tenant right laws you are taking a big risk with Airbnb.
1 posted on 07/22/2014 6:49:34 AM PDT by C19fan
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2 posted on 07/22/2014 6:51:39 AM PDT by dfwgator
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What if you show up, threaten her at gunpoint, take her to some other location, drop her off, and then return to your place and change the locks?

And deny it ever happened.

Or something along those lines...


3 posted on 07/22/2014 6:52:54 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: C19fan

What is “Airbnb”


4 posted on 07/22/2014 6:55:57 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: cuban leaf

Tough to do nowadays. Cameras eveywhere. Better to chance it with the woodchipper out back.


5 posted on 07/22/2014 6:56:45 AM PDT by deadrock (I am someone else.)
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To: dfwgator

I’d get a bunch of cats with fleas and let them loose in the house...............................


6 posted on 07/22/2014 6:57:17 AM PDT by Red Badger (If you compromise with evil, you just get more evil..........................)
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To: circlecity

Like ‘Travelocity’ only without William Shatner..................


7 posted on 07/22/2014 6:57:52 AM PDT by Red Badger (If you compromise with evil, you just get more evil..........................)
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To: circlecity
What is “Airbnb”

It is Uber for rooms. You can use the app to rent your residence for vacationers/short term stays.

8 posted on 07/22/2014 6:57:56 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: circlecity

OOPs, that’s Priceline. Travelocity has the Gnome...............


9 posted on 07/22/2014 6:59:09 AM PDT by Red Badger (If you compromise with evil, you just get more evil..........................)
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To: C19fan

What a nightmare —

This is going to do wonders for the real estate rental market.


10 posted on 07/22/2014 6:59:23 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: C19fan
You're taking a risk with AirBnB in general.
11 posted on 07/22/2014 6:59:31 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Red Badger

I’d make that person an offer he couldn’t refuse.


12 posted on 07/22/2014 7:00:21 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: cuban leaf

Maksym is a male.

You’d get arrested for kidnappings and a whole slew of felonies. If you do something like this... You have to be absolute. Get me?


13 posted on 07/22/2014 7:00:44 AM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: C19fan

I really don’t understand the fascination with Airbnb. I certainly have no interest in using it.

Too many whack jobs out there.


14 posted on 07/22/2014 7:00:58 AM PDT by Gamecock (There is room for all of God's animals. Right next to the mashed potatoes and gravy.)
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To: Red Badger

Cut off gas, electric, water

Shine bright lights in windows at night

Play head banging heavy metal 24 /7 until gets message


15 posted on 07/22/2014 7:04:57 AM PDT by njslim (T)
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To: Bogey78O

I’d agree that some problems have permanent solutions. The world doesn’t need more predators or more parasites. I’ve lost patience with both groups, and this squatter is in the second category.


16 posted on 07/22/2014 7:05:14 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Gamecock
I really don’t understand the fascination with Airbnb. I certainly have no interest in using it.

Here's the thing - what sort of guest has "great ratings" on AirBnB?

What kind of person routinely rents other people's homes all over the world?

The set of people who do this and who are not crazy/insolvent/both is too small to build a reliable business model on.

17 posted on 07/22/2014 7:06:29 AM PDT by wideawake
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If she’s not willing to get some muscular friends to persuade him she should sell the place.


18 posted on 07/22/2014 7:09:22 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To win the country back, we need to be as mean as the libs say we are.)
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To: C19fan

turn off power and water... then have the state show up as you’re afraid she is a danger to herself

key words


19 posted on 07/22/2014 7:10:14 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: C19fan

It’s a controversy here in Grand Rapids, where some people want to be able to stick these things anywhere with no oversight.

Simple regulations like alerting people that live around you that you are turning your house into an Airbnb were scoffed at by the supporters. They also don’t want to have to pay the same fees as actual licensed B&Bs.

If you want to be a hotel, then go and be a real hotel. This type of thing is just begging for trouble.


20 posted on 07/22/2014 7:13:34 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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If she’s not willing to get some muscular friends to persuade him she should sell the place.

In theory, all she would really need to do is arm herself, visit her property, and then do what any citizen has a right to if she feels threatened on her own property.

No elaborate schemes required.

And she can't really sell the place: few people are going to buy an apartment at market price when it's occupied by a belligerent criminal in the middle of an eviction proceeding.

21 posted on 07/22/2014 7:13:37 AM PDT by wideawake
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Cut off gas, electric, water
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No this is California...

a few years ago someone from another state went there to check their mother’s house after she died and they wanted to sell it...

the couple of weeks between her death and their trip to CA, some people had broken the locks and moved into the mother’s empty home..

The child/ren arrived to find the house occupied with strangers who were indignant at the suggestion they vacate the premises..

They tried everything legal to get the squatters evicted...including shutting off the utilities..

the thieves then took the new owner to court and sued and the judge made them turn the power etc back on...

so good luck with that..


22 posted on 07/22/2014 7:13:41 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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Have 10 or 12 friends show up like they are going to live there too.Have them eat every scrap of food in the place and have one of them occupy the bathroom at all times.Treat them to all they can eat at Taco Bell before they arrive.


23 posted on 07/22/2014 7:14:01 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: cuban leaf

I have similar thought process. Easier would be to stake out the place and wait for them to leave. Then change locks and throw all of their crap in the trash bin.

When they call the police, just state that you don’t even know anything about the idiot’s claims, and to come back when they can produce a lease.


24 posted on 07/22/2014 7:14:59 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: cuban leaf

I was thinking more along the lines of pepper spray.
Just shutting off the power and water could work too.


25 posted on 07/22/2014 7:16:37 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Gamecock
I really don’t understand the fascination with Airbnb. I certainly have no interest in using it.

It's a lot cheaper than most hotels. Locations vary so it's easier to pick where you want to stay in a city.

I took a recent trip out west & stayed in AirBnB locations the whole time. It worked out great & I saved a few hundred dollars.

26 posted on 07/22/2014 7:18:21 AM PDT by gdani (Every day, your Govt surveils you more than the day before)
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To: SampleMan

In CA, the owner would probably be arrested for doing that. The freeloaders that do this stuff are experts at gaming the system. It could drag out for years.


27 posted on 07/22/2014 7:21:16 AM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: njslim

Neighbors might not like that approach........................


28 posted on 07/22/2014 7:24:09 AM PDT by Red Badger (If you compromise with evil, you just get more evil..........................)
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To: Farmer Dean
Have 10 or 12 friends show up like they are going to live there too

Who has 10 or 12 friends who:

(1) Are willing to relocate upon request

(2) Will take vacation days to hang out in an apartment with a bizarre stranger

(3) Agree to lock themselves in a bathroom for hours to antagonize people?

I can't imagine asking any of my friends to do something like this, while I went about my own life like normal.

29 posted on 07/22/2014 7:24:26 AM PDT by wideawake
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My daughter works for a woman who rents out her condos to people for $5000 a week. She is booked solid thru the end of September.......................


30 posted on 07/22/2014 7:25:53 AM PDT by Red Badger (If you compromise with evil, you just get more evil..........................)
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To: cuban leaf

Guard the place until the squatter leaves. Don’t let anyone else enter the property to bring supplies. When the squatter is gone, make your move. Change locks. Expel any squatter stuff so there is no reason to enter the property. Have the squatter trespassed to make presence on the property a criminal act.


31 posted on 07/22/2014 7:28:00 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Farmer Dean

That would just cause you a whole new set of problems.................


32 posted on 07/22/2014 7:29:29 AM PDT by Red Badger (If you compromise with evil, you just get more evil..........................)
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To: Red Badger

Get really good homeowner insurance and put up a sign in a Biker Bar: “Crash at my place rent free. Free pot and beer.”


33 posted on 07/22/2014 7:32:41 AM PDT by anton
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You may have something there. Have your 10-12 friends move right in with the squatters! It’s the same situation only your friends are now in there.


34 posted on 07/22/2014 7:32:50 AM PDT by SgtHooper (This is not my tag!)
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To: C19fan

what foriegn language is Uber and what does it mean?


35 posted on 07/22/2014 7:33:26 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: Ramius
In CA, the owner would probably be arrested for doing that. The freeloaders that do this stuff are experts at gaming the system. It could drag out for years.

True grifters know and work the system, but they rely on the other party using the system. Forcing them out and then simply not acknowledging that they were ever there changes the game. They are then forced to prove that they were squatting. The squatter is then in the same position as if they had just called the police and demanded entry into a home at random.

Treat them as an insane nut job. If they break in, then treat them as you would an insane nut job breaking in.

36 posted on 07/22/2014 7:33:28 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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I showed that movie every quarter to my Real Estate Law students.

I would like to see the actual contract. Let’s create a scenario. Of course, it will be fraught with potential liability to the owner.

The lowlife does not leave. Owner gives a rental agreement to a new user. That could be a little old lady or perhaps two members of a biker gang. The new user has an agreement and takes possession when the lowlife is not there. When lowlife comes back, he calls the police. What do the police do? One party has a contract that ended. The other party, whether if be little old lady or biker gang members has a contract evidencing the right to occupy on that date. The police say it is a civil matter. Will they share the house or will the lowlife leave decide he should leave?

Since he will be able to find a scumbag attorney, lowlife will sue. But what are the damages? He got the benefit of the bargain for the time he rented the house. Owner had rented it to another party and that new party took possession per the contract, believing the house to be vacant and believing they had the right to possession under the contract.


37 posted on 07/22/2014 7:34:53 AM PDT by doug from upland (Obama and the leftists - destroying our country one day at a time)
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To: anton

Then, how do you get THEM to leave??????????????........................


38 posted on 07/22/2014 7:41:47 AM PDT by Red Badger (If you compromise with evil, you just get more evil..........................)
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To: njslim

It’s a condo - there lots of other people in the building.


39 posted on 07/22/2014 7:43:07 AM PDT by Eva
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And what town are those condos located in?

If I had a condo in a beachfront community or skiing area, where week to week rentals are the norm, AirBnB is just a slight tweak on the usual way of doing business.

40 posted on 07/22/2014 7:49:25 AM PDT by wideawake
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This is going on all over Southern California, evidently. There was a couple in the apt complex where my daughter lives, where the rents are about $3,000/ month, that did this. They used a false identity to get past the credit check, moved in the first day, before the deposit check bounced and never paid one cent. The people had done the same thing at their previous location. Management were able to get them out this time by getting them arrested for the. bad checks.


41 posted on 07/22/2014 7:50:20 AM PDT by Eva
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take him to some other location, drop him off, and then return to your place and change the locks?

And deny it ever happened.

Or something along those lines...

So do you realize how much it would cost to change all
the locks in the White House?


42 posted on 07/22/2014 7:53:36 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: wideawake

Destin, Florida.............................


43 posted on 07/22/2014 8:03:47 AM PDT by Red Badger (If you compromise with evil, you just get more evil..........................)
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To: cuban leaf

Padlock the entry doors. They can not get in (or if they, are inside tell them you are going to padlock inthem except for one exit door. Keep their possessions until they pay what is owed the owner.. Of course Ask anyone from New York knows how to effectively control the situation. Block the garage doors too if there is a garage. Once I sat in the blocking position of the garage doors in order to serve a court order. It works.

Otherwise they will slip out in the middle of the night

People that have rental
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44 posted on 07/22/2014 8:04:03 AM PDT by geologist ("If you love me, keep my commands" .... John 14 :15)
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To: Farmer Dean

Like don’t own anything in state of Californcation. Many problems there and this is rather a small one.


45 posted on 07/22/2014 8:11:32 AM PDT by lostboy61 (Lock and Load and stand your ground!)
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To: Red Badger

And there you go.


46 posted on 07/22/2014 8:24:25 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: sten

“Swat” the squat!


47 posted on 07/22/2014 8:29:42 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: wideawake

I’m already here...................


48 posted on 07/22/2014 8:48:42 AM PDT by Red Badger (If you compromise with evil, you just get more evil..........................)
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To: wideawake

But she has had trouble, many times, with ‘guests’ trashing the condos. There is a $1000 damage deposit, but it must be really bad to enable her to keep it.

The ‘normal’ stuff is food left in the refrigerator, trash all over the place, stuff like that.

But on occasion there are broken dishes, stolen appliances, radio alarmclock and TV or they are damaged. Bed linens soiled beyond use (children pee/crap on bed), animal crap on carpets, toilets stopped up with whatever. Bed frames broken, furniture torn or ripped upholstery, etc. Some people live like animals while on vacation. One of the worst was just a couple of weeks ago, a family from California. The place was a complete mess, AND they would not get out at the appointed time. The next renters had to wait in the parking lot while my daughter had to clean all that mess up before they could go in. I think the owner decided to keep the DD..................

There is a lot of risk involved in this type of business.


49 posted on 07/22/2014 8:57:50 AM PDT by Red Badger (If you compromise with evil, you just get more evil..........................)
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Are the tenants Obamas newest arrivals?

Good luck getting rid of them.


50 posted on 07/22/2014 9:05:51 AM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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