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US: No Link to Russian Gov't in Plane Downing
The Associated Press ^ | Tuesday, July 22, 2014 | Ken Dilanian

Posted on 07/22/2014 2:32:53 PM PDT by kristinn

Senior U.S. intelligence officials said Tuesday that Russia was responsible for "creating the conditions" that led to the shooting down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, but they offered no evidence of direct Russian government involvement.

The intelligence officials were cautious in their assessment, noting that while the Russians have been arming separatists in eastern Ukraine, the U.S. had no direct evidence that the missile used to shoot down the passenger jet came from Russia.

The officials briefed reporters Tuesday under ground rules that their names not be used in discussing intelligence related to last week's air disaster, which killed 298 people.

(Excerpt) Read more at bigstory.ap.org ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: mh17; russia; ukraine
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1 posted on 07/22/2014 2:32:53 PM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn

Well, I’m satisfied. /s


2 posted on 07/22/2014 2:34:23 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: kristinn

Believable? Or just the Bamster sucking up to Putin? Showing his flexibility.


3 posted on 07/22/2014 2:35:35 PM PDT by originalbuckeye (Moderation in temper is always a virtue; moderation in principle is always a vice. Paine)
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To: kristinn

Pretty sure it was the surface to air missile fairy that shot the plane down. The Russians had nothing to do with it.

And you can trust Bammy on this one. He’s the authority on fairies.


4 posted on 07/22/2014 2:35:37 PM PDT by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: kristinn

...and it was not related to terrorism in any way.


5 posted on 07/22/2014 2:35:47 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: kristinn

This administration and its sycophantt press lost all credibility with me years ago.


6 posted on 07/22/2014 2:36:41 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (Even the compassion of the wicked is cruel.)
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To: kristinn

I’m surprised they’re not blaming it on an offensive You Tube video.


7 posted on 07/22/2014 2:37:33 PM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: All

It’s obvious that Putin didn’t push the button but his people did and it was an accident.. why can’t they just admit it and move on?

What is the world supposed to believe, the guy that ordered a polonium enema on his opposition or their lying eyes. Yea, everyone has one of these launchers, just ask moose and squirrel.


8 posted on 07/22/2014 2:37:56 PM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: kristinn
the U.S. had no direct evidence that the missile used to shoot down the passenger jet came from Russia.

Have we examined the launcher? Checked serial numbers on the missiles they have with it versus shipping manifests to see if any are missing? Found the wreckage of the detonated missile? Tracked it back to its manufacturing plant?

This is like saying that I have no direct evidence that O.J. Simpson killed Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman because I didn't do any of the investigation.

9 posted on 07/22/2014 2:39:13 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (The IRS: either criminally irresponsible in backup procedures or criminally responsible of coverup.)
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To: kristinn
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10 posted on 07/22/2014 2:41:18 PM PDT by keat
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Obama admin self-inflicted debacle. Obama's Deputy National Security Advisor Ben Rhodes now saying, “I wouldn’t absolve Russia of responsibility at all“.
11 posted on 07/22/2014 2:44:06 PM PDT by kristinn (Welcome to the Soviet States of Obama)
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To: kristinn

Is it true that AP stands for all propaganda?

5.56mm


12 posted on 07/22/2014 2:45:38 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: kristinn

They have something on Obama and he is trying to save face.

The point is, why report this and then back off unless you are stupid?

Oh, I answered my own question.


13 posted on 07/22/2014 2:45:57 PM PDT by dforest
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To: kristinn

And if there was, we’d cover it up because we’re currently being led by cowards.


14 posted on 07/22/2014 2:46:36 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: kristinn

AP has chosen a quite misleading title. If someone just reads the title and skips the article then they’ll get a totally different idea from what the text actually says.


15 posted on 07/22/2014 2:47:52 PM PDT by Krosan
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To: Krosan

by design


16 posted on 07/22/2014 2:50:27 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: kristinn

Well, if our government says so, I believe it.

/sarc


17 posted on 07/22/2014 2:54:04 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: Krosan
AP has chosen a quite misleading title.

Not sure I agree, body of article seems to track pretty well with headline.

...offered no evidence of direct Russian government involvement.

...the U.S. had no direct evidence that the missile used to shoot down the passenger jet came from Russia.

But the officials said they did not know who fired the missile or whether any Russian operatives were present at the missile launch.

In terms of who fired the missile, "we don't know a name, we don't know a rank and we're not even 100 percent sure of a nationality,"

The officials said the most likely explanation for why the plane was shot down is that the rebels made a mistake.

18 posted on 07/22/2014 2:54:43 PM PDT by keat
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To: Krosan

Some outlets led with that, others have taken a different approach. The problem is the Obama administration messed up with this briefing, giving Putin a PR boost, such that Ben Rhodes is now out doing damage control.


19 posted on 07/22/2014 2:56:46 PM PDT by kristinn (Welcome to the Soviet States of Obama)
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To: kristinn

One thing is for damn sure, this isn’t going to help pressure Europe to heed Obama’s call to raise sanctions on Putin. But, of course, that’s how the cretin-in-chief wanted it all along.


20 posted on 07/22/2014 2:57:14 PM PDT by keat
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To: keat

Some get confused. Nobody is saying that the rebels didn’t do it. They are saying they can find no link that Russia was behind it.


21 posted on 07/22/2014 2:59:00 PM PDT by dforest
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To: kristinn

I guess Russian rebels, with Russian equipment, answering to Moscow is “not a link”??


22 posted on 07/22/2014 3:01:44 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: kristinn

BS. 0bama is covering for Putin on this one.


23 posted on 07/22/2014 3:02:16 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: kristinn

Gee wonder if Obama will learn about this on the news...........since he almost down right accused Russia of being involved


24 posted on 07/22/2014 3:04:30 PM PDT by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: kristinn

USA created the conditions going on in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Israel, Gaza, Egypt and Libya. So what does the UN/World do about that? It’s a wonder the world doesn’t impose sanctions on the US


25 posted on 07/22/2014 3:05:07 PM PDT by realcleanguy
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To: kristinn

Might take an Obama speech to clear this one up,(groan).

“Let me be clear...”

“Created the conditions...”

“Choices to make...”

There will be costs...”

“International community....”


26 posted on 07/22/2014 3:06:02 PM PDT by keat
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To: kristinn

Obama takes 4 positions on every issue. He is a 100 % political animal.


27 posted on 07/22/2014 3:08:01 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: kristinn

There is no daylight between Mr. Rhode’s comments and those of the intelligence officials. /sarc


28 posted on 07/22/2014 3:08:20 PM PDT by keat
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To: kristinn
Meanwhile .............Reporter at press meeting tries to get State Dep. Spokesman ‘Harf’ to pin down their sources.....she says Whitehouse using “social media” and “common sense” to make their assesments......When asked what “intelligence’ and satellite data” they have and would it be released...she stumbled yet again....uh ‘Maybe’.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQRvINebeok&app=desktop

29 posted on 07/22/2014 3:08:31 PM PDT by caww
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

> said Tuesday that Russia was responsible for “creating the conditions” that led to the shooting down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17... noting that while the Russians have been arming separatists in eastern Ukraine, the U.S. had no direct evidence that the missile used to shoot down the passenger jet came from Russia.

If the Zero-in-Chief didn’t get anything from the mass-murderer Putin for that whopping lie, impeachment should be the least of his worries.


30 posted on 07/22/2014 3:11:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: kristinn

Well, that isn’t going to make a bunch of people happy (Especially at CNN).

The Russians made another request today for the US Launch Satelite info, the spy satellite tapes of the time, and the Radar tapes that Kiev has impounded.

The conflicting info is fueling all kinds of theories.


31 posted on 07/22/2014 3:13:39 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: caww

When the Korean airliner was shot down by the Soviets, the USA released intelligence information to prove it.

But that divulged sources and methods.

And they were able to figure out we got the information from Japan, changed codes, etc... It was estimated that the release dropped our future intelligence gathering by 2/3

So learning from history there is reason to be careful about exactly what is released


32 posted on 07/22/2014 3:13:51 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: kristinn

Well, that must be that then. Thank you anonymous senior U.S. intelligence officials!


33 posted on 07/22/2014 3:14:42 PM PDT by PistolPaknMama
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To: dforest
see link at post 29....”Harf” gets pressured to reveal sources....if any other than social media ...she stumbles and later on gets testy......am not surprised at the total incompetency of this administration and it's consistency in hidding or denying information...Obama wants someone else to lead...and it ain't him. Further...the least he as to do with this the better for him...he's hidding IMO.... wants nothing to by chance point the finger at him.
34 posted on 07/22/2014 3:14:55 PM PDT by caww
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One has to wonder who was responsible for either allowing or directing Flight 17 into that "kill zone" when all previous air traffic were advised to avoid that area of the country ..........

Strangely enough, there is no mention of the air traffic control records that could share some light on to who was responsible........

35 posted on 07/22/2014 3:15:55 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (By now, everyone should know that you shoot a zombie in the head. Don't try to reason with them...)
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To: Resettozero
Of course not.

Perhaps some "low level employees" who had just seen a hurtful video?

36 posted on 07/22/2014 3:15:56 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: Mount Athos

Ordinarily I would agree to some extent...but this administration does everything with the idea of protecting Obama...which includes information ...and I’m not convinced his hand is free from responsibility.


37 posted on 07/22/2014 3:18:29 PM PDT by caww
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To: GreenHornet
I’m surprised they’re not blaming it on an offensive You Tube video.

Obviously, they just didn't get it finished in time to upload.
38 posted on 07/22/2014 3:20:02 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Hot Tabasco

Would be best to find out also why the plane “disappeared” off radar.....with better answers then what’s been said to date.


39 posted on 07/22/2014 3:20:28 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww
Supposedly the US has 24 hour satellite coverage of every surface of the planet. Anytime a Ballistic missile is launched anywhere, we know about it. They however do not want anyone to know the exact resolution capabilities. Or how small of a missile they can spot. That is classified and not any of the Russians business apparently.

Air Force general: U.S. isn't bluffing.

So we have a strong hand, we are not bluffing, but we are gonna have to fold.

40 posted on 07/22/2014 3:21:36 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: GeronL

“I guess Russian rebels, with Russian equipment, answering to Moscow is “not a link”??”

Pro-Russian rebels, with Captured UKRAINIAN equipment, likely did it.

Remember, it was just a few days ago that Kiev was denying that the rebels had captured a Buk, despite all of the video and photo evidence on Twitter and Youtube.

The video of the transporter “going across the border” is most likely fake, as well, according to the Russians. When the “Convenient” crop of the photo taken from a youtube vid is taken out, it shows a billboard for a car dealer. In a city Kiev has had undisputed control of since May 11th.
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/741664

Lots of folks have an agenda on this, and it is blocking any real attempt to learn the truth.


41 posted on 07/22/2014 3:23:32 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: SunkenCiv
If the Zero-in-Chief didn’t get anything from the mass-murderer Putin for that whopping lie,

Presumably he got Putin to take only south-eastern Ukraine to buffer/protect Crimea. That's a tidy little deal.

42 posted on 07/22/2014 3:25:13 PM PDT by keat
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“Strangely enough, there is no mention of the air traffic control records that could share some light on to who was responsible........ “

Those were “Seized/impounded” by Kiev shortly after the accident. They could tell a lot.


43 posted on 07/22/2014 3:26:33 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: originalbuckeye

‘Yesterday’ Russia sent Obama and, ‘ALL’ nation leaders, their Official Assessment from the evidence they had....with that questions they wanted answers to...and there were definately ones needing answers.

It was posted on youtube in full...( a half hour long)...so I listened to the entire presentation given by a top Officer..... Now there are only segments here and there on youtube that I could find...and these certainly didn’t tell the whole picture which was presented.

So today Obama goes hush and state dept spokesman stumbles answering reporters question....

This is going pretty much now as I suspected it will...regardless of who is to blame it won’t be Russia, Ukraine or any party that would be liable ..who has revenues.

Further Putin has said in the past he has information about Obama that could do him harm...he may have pulled that card and Obama sat down.


44 posted on 07/22/2014 3:30:33 PM PDT by caww
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To: tcrlaf

Led by a Russian national from some reports, in constant contact with Moscow and likely funded and supplied by Moscow


45 posted on 07/22/2014 3:31:13 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: tcrlaf

High stakes poker going on now between Russia and US.....this is going to die on the vine I think.


46 posted on 07/22/2014 3:31:39 PM PDT by caww
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To: kristinn

The fact is that if Putin hadn’t been stirring up sh*t there then the plane wouldn’t have been shot down.


47 posted on 07/22/2014 3:33:06 PM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, deport all illegal aliens, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: kristinn

ROFLMAO.


48 posted on 07/22/2014 3:34:48 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: caww

He made a rare visit to Camp David this weekend. I wonder who was there and I wonder if they were handling a situation with some info not in their favor?

This comes out today. Very odd.

Shame this administration is so corrupt and rotten to the core.

I have always hoped a day would come when they get caught with their pants down. So far, they get away with their treachery.


49 posted on 07/22/2014 3:34:55 PM PDT by dforest
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To: caww

It is going down the rabbit hole because there is a whole lot of responsibility to go around.


50 posted on 07/22/2014 3:36:21 PM PDT by dforest
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