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The Vindication of Barry Goldwater
spectator.org ^ | 7/24/14 | Jeffrey Lord

Posted on 07/24/2014 11:05:46 AM PDT by cotton1706

July, 1964. Fifty years ago this month. The Republican Party nominates Arizona Senator Barry Goldwater for president. The resulting uproar was somewhere north of hysteria. And that was just from the GOP establishment of the day. Followed famously by a November landslide Goldwater “defeat” in which the Arizonan carried a mere five states in his race against Democratic President Lyndon Johnson.

Goldwater was the first conservative Republican to win nomination since the 1924 selection of Calvin Coolidge (the vice president who had succeeded Warren Harding after his death). From 1928 all the way through 1960, every GOP nominee from Hoover to Nixon was drawn from the progressive/moderate wing of the party.

In the battle for the 1964 nomination Goldwater was pilloried by prominent members of his own party — including liberal GOP governors Nelson Rockefeller (N.Y.), William Scranton (Pa.), and George Romney (Mich.). Goldwater accused liberal Republicans of supporting a “dime store New Deal” — liberalism on the cheap. Goldwater in turn was accused of being an extremist, anti-Social Security, anti-federal aid to education, and anti-civil rights — the latter charge a particular slur against a founder of the Arizona NAACP who had helped integrate Phoenix schools. When it came to foreign policy he was said to be flat-out dangerous, a man who believed the United States shouldn’t co-exist peacefully with the Soviet Union, but rather win the Cold War outright. And this was before he faced off with LBJ, whose campaign simply picked up the themes of Goldwater’s intra-party rivals and drove them home.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: goldwater; greatsociety; lbj; waronpoverty
"I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution, or that have failed their purpose, or that impose on the people an unwarranted financial burden. I will not attempt to discover whether legislation is “needed” before I have first determined whether it is constitutionally permissible. And if I should later be attacked for neglecting my constituents’ “interests,” I shall reply that I was informed that their main interest is liberty and that in that cause I am doing the very best I can." - The Conscience of a Conservative
1 posted on 07/24/2014 11:05:46 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706

My first vote!


2 posted on 07/24/2014 11:15:02 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: cotton1706

I’m not old enough to have voted for him, but I can’t help but think on what a different world we would live in today had he been elected instead of LBJ.

Although I suspect, for many reasons, that there would be millions more people alive today...


3 posted on 07/24/2014 11:20:31 AM PDT by chrisser (Senseless legislation does nothing to solve senseless violence.)
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To: cotton1706

Barry Goldwater got 800+ votes at the GOP convention..

George Romney got 41 votes..

Romney stomped out of the building in rage followed by his impressionable teenaged son Willard..

and worked for Johnson and against his own party nominee Goldwater to make sure his enemies Goldwater and Ronald Reagan didn’t win...

Romney gave money and aid to the Democrat Johnson..

and then in 1968 Romney again did not win...

Willard the son is just copying Big Daddy George and what he was taught when he stabs our Conservative candidates..


4 posted on 07/24/2014 11:21:32 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: chrisser

I was serving in and out of Vietnam in those days and remember vividly the anti-Goldwater campaigning that was being done on military facilities in Japan, Okinawa and the Philippines. Even then the lefties were at their tricks.


5 posted on 07/24/2014 11:33:54 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Tennessee Nana

“and then in 1968 Romney again did not win...”

He famously said he’d been “brainwashed” on Vietnam, to which George Wallace said he’d just needed a light rinse! Haha


6 posted on 07/24/2014 11:38:20 AM PDT by cotton1706 (ThisRepublic.net)
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To: cotton1706

The Romney’s..... KNOWN collaborators with democrats..
The Vichy GOP... One Worlder GOP.. The GOP Trojan Horse..

Abject republican Traitors.. conniving the defeat of ALL CONSERVATIVE candidates in 2012.. at the republican convention.. and selecting the “collaborator”.

We don’t need a Third Party...... we need a SECOND PARTY..


7 posted on 07/24/2014 11:49:29 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: RIghtwardHo

I am 47 years old and have never had the chance to vote for a Conservative in any general Election for President. My first chance to vote left me to vote for either George H.W. Bush or Michael Dukakis. Have yet to have the pleasure to vote for a conservative.


8 posted on 07/24/2014 11:53:11 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: chrisser

Almost finished reading the article but I have to ask why there have not been any movies/plays about Goldwater’s life? What a great inspiration that would be for conservatives, especially young conservatives. And also a great way to educate people about conservatism.

It might even change a few minds.


9 posted on 07/24/2014 11:53:40 AM PDT by joshua c (Please dont feed the liberals)
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To: Don Corleone

Barry Goldwater used his ham radio station K7UGA and MARS to provide radio link and phone patches between servicemen and their families in the states.

Big defender of Hams in the Senate.

RIP and THANK YOU!!


10 posted on 07/24/2014 11:56:37 AM PDT by Leo Carpathian (FReeeeepeesssssed)
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To: RIghtwardHo; Allegra; big'ol_freeper; Lil'freeper; shove_it; TrueKnightGalahad; Cincinatus' Wife; ..
Gadzooks! I put this up on eBay:


and they haven't made me take it off... yet!
11 posted on 07/24/2014 12:10:10 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: cotton1706

Goldwater was railroaded by the media and probably the millitary industrial complex in them wanting to keep a “slow war in vietnam” going so they could maximise their profits.

I wish I had a “What if” machine to see what would happen if Goldwater had won, (probably would had if JFK hadn’t been martyred).


12 posted on 07/24/2014 12:31:51 PM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: RIghtwardHo

Mine too. In your heart you know he is right.


13 posted on 07/24/2014 12:32:04 PM PDT by magua
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To: Bender2

Railroaded by the MSM and LBJ...

14 posted on 07/24/2014 12:34:30 PM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: joshua c
I had the pleasure of attending a performance of the stage play, "Goldwater: Mr. Conservative" a couple of years ago. The play was written by Tempe schoolteacher Ben Tyler. Besides being entertaining and informative, it definitely stimulates the "what if" part of the brain.
15 posted on 07/24/2014 12:35:31 PM PDT by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: RIghtwardHo

Mine, too. I still have my elephant pin with Goldwater glasses.


16 posted on 07/24/2014 12:36:09 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Leo Carpathian

Yes he did. I had the chance to talk to him and Gen. Curtis Lemay back in 1960 I think it was. I was running the MARS station at LSU back then. We were running a BC 610 at that time. Gen. Lemay had our first ssb rig sent to us so we could use sideband.


17 posted on 07/24/2014 12:39:05 PM PDT by nanook (Thomas Jefferson had it right.)
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To: cotton1706

My virgin political effort when I was 16 and in high school in New Jersey.


18 posted on 07/24/2014 12:39:24 PM PDT by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: cotton1706

the easiest way to insure your party wins an election... is for all candidates be members of your party

the progressive party has members in both the democrat and republican parties. if either loses their primary, the effort is then on to split the vote and drive down participation to insure the other progressive wins

the progressive party is hydra in marvel comic books


19 posted on 07/24/2014 12:40:49 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Tennessee Nana
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While the democrats obviously deserve most of the credit for what happened to Detroit, it was George Romney who invited the communists in to begin with by calling on Saul Alinsky to help.
20 posted on 07/24/2014 12:41:32 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: cripplecreek

Good catch. Goldwater was being stabbed from the front and back.


21 posted on 07/24/2014 12:46:37 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: cotton1706
Goldwater in turn was accused of being an extremist

"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."

Barry Goldwater

22 posted on 07/24/2014 12:50:17 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Tennessee Nana
"Romney stomped out of the building in rage followed by his impressionable teenaged son Willard.."

And Rockefeller TRASHED Goldwater at his own convention, leading to fist fights in the aisles of the Cow Palace...and in the lobby...and the street out front.

Saw some of it on the news as a kid...very brief local coverage.

Conservatives had to fight (literally) for the soul of the GOP.

Sadly now they have ceded it without little more than a whimper.

23 posted on 07/24/2014 1:07:09 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: cotton1706
After the defeat of Nixon in 1960, I wrote to then-Senator Goldwater urging him to run for President. I'm sure I was only one of many, but I was pleased when he did run. Agreed, the GOP-e stabbed him in the back. He faced a two-front war: attacked by both the Democrats and the RINOs.
24 posted on 07/24/2014 1:11:50 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney (Book: Resistance to Tyranny. Buy from Amazon.)
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To: Bender2

Leave it there I want see how much you get that Bender go for it


25 posted on 07/24/2014 2:47:52 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Romney & Alinsky partnership continues with Willard.


26 posted on 07/24/2014 2:53:51 PM PDT by newfreep (at)
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To: cotton1706

It was Eugene McCarthy who replied it must’ve been a light rinse.


27 posted on 07/24/2014 4:04:11 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: lonestar

” I still have my elephant pin with Goldwater glasses.”

I still have my pin, too, my buttons and my big red sign that my little kids and I carried around the precinct in Texas. The “In your heart you know he’s right” sign. I worked for that man all year - January when he announced to Nov. when we had the wake. Watched the whole 4 day convention on TV (it was 106 outside the whole week, and I kept plopping all my little kids into a bathtub of cold water while I watched the pure evil of Rockefeller, Scranton and Romney, but also Goldwater’s legendary speech. It was an exciting year, with a horrible finish. Goldwater was my first vote (too young by a few months in 1960) and Reagan was my daughter’s first vote. So we at least had good beginnings (and disgusting follow-ups).

Oh, that we all might have that kind of beginning just once more.


28 posted on 07/24/2014 4:10:53 PM PDT by CatDancer (tagline expired)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Romney gave money and aid to the Democrat Johnson..

No. He didn't endorse or support either candidate.

He also didn't walk out of the convention.

29 posted on 07/24/2014 4:18:21 PM PDT by x
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To: Bender2

Wow he really DOES look like Ted Knight!


30 posted on 07/24/2014 5:49:01 PM PDT by boop (I just wanted a President. But I got a rock.)
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To: GraceG

Wasn’t the Daisy ad produced by Bill Moyers?


31 posted on 07/24/2014 5:50:08 PM PDT by boop (I just wanted a President. But I got a rock.)
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To: chrisser
I’m not old enough to have voted for him, but I can’t help but think on what a different world we would live in today had he been elected instead of LBJ.

Nowadays, we speak of every election as a "watershed" election.

But the 1964 election really was a "watershed" election.

Where we could've gotten a reversal of direction, toward more limited government, we got "The Great Society" and the "War on Poverty".

Where we could've gotten a privatized social security, we got a merger of the General Fund and the Social Security Trust Fund.

Where we could've gotten a national security policy based on a strong defense and a commitment to winning wars that we chose to fight, we got Viet Nam. <

The differences between a Goldwater administration that never was and a Johnson administration that was all too real were legitimately immense.

32 posted on 07/24/2014 6:15:21 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance on parade.)
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Re: Wow he really DOES look like Ted Knight!

boop, not only do you show a complete lack of respect to a very great man... but you show you really are a schmuck I would like to meet in a dark alley!

33 posted on 07/24/2014 6:21:13 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: x

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9YA76sALk0


34 posted on 07/24/2014 6:46:35 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: Bender2

I remember billboards with that picture of the great Barry AuH2O a couple years after loosing to LBJ with the words “Now you know he was right”. Johnson’s campaign ran that famous attack ad of the little girl in the field of daises with the mushroom cloud in the background nonstop on TV. As I recall, they added the snarky comment “in your gut you know he’s nuts” just for good measure. MFers.


35 posted on 07/24/2014 7:13:12 PM PDT by shove_it (Directive 10-289 lives)
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To: cotton1706

Gold ol Barry!


36 posted on 07/24/2014 7:53:40 PM PDT by Perdogg (I'm on a no Carb diet- NO Christie Ayotte Romney or Bush)
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To: Bender2
LOL! Didn't you watch "Too Close for Comfort"?

There was an episode that featured that joke.

Don't hate me because I'm beautiful! :)

37 posted on 07/24/2014 8:08:30 PM PDT by boop (I just wanted a President. But I got a rock.)
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To: TADSLOS
If today's young conservatives think the conservative Republicans of today are mercilessly pilloried by the media, they should have been around to see what Goldwater had to endure. He was basically depicted as a wild-eyed, reckless troglodyte who wanted to start a war with the Soviet Union and blow up Earth.

I was only fourteen at the time, but it seem every time his name was mentioned, it was either insinuated or publicly uttered that he was crazy and irresponsible. They especially ridiculed his famous statement from the convention about extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice. In the wake of Kennedy's assassination and all the vile media coverage, he never stood a chance. But how much better off we'd be he were elected.

38 posted on 07/24/2014 8:19:56 PM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: CatDancer

At the time one of my sisters was a Goldwater girl, and I was a loyal Dem sheep just like my parents. Now that sister is a fanatic lib while I’m the conservative black sheep of the family.


39 posted on 07/24/2014 8:22:12 PM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: shove_it

They claim they only ran the daisy ad one day before it was taken off the air due to protests, but it seems like I saw it more than one day. Nevertheless, it made a huge impression on a gullible public. But even if it ran only one day, there was so much other anti-Goldwater propaganda spewing out from the usual sources that one ad was just a tiny pct. of all the negative, hateful propaganda Goldwater received.


40 posted on 07/24/2014 8:28:33 PM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: driftless2
They claim they only ran the daisy ad one day before it was taken off the air due to protests, but it seems like I saw it more than one day.

They did. And you did.

The "Daisy" ad was aired only once...as a paid ad. On September 7, 1964 (NBC Monday Night at the Movies, David & Bathsheba).

A great hue and cry followed and the DNC cancelled any further exposure of the ad.

However, the networks decided that the ad -- and the response to it -- was newsworthy in and of itself. As a consequence, they ran it interminably on news & analysis shows for the next month.

By the end of September, over 95% of America had seen the ad an average of 4.2 times. It is not known, for sure, whether this process had been pre-agreed to by the DNC and the networks -- but nobody would be shocked if it had.

41 posted on 07/24/2014 8:51:12 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance on parade.)
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To: CatDancer
My friends and I knocked on doors in Houston. It was my first time to vote and be interested in politics.

We really thought he would beat LBJ!

Those were the good old days for sure!

42 posted on 07/24/2014 9:39:11 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: okie01
The media fifty years ago was just as strongly pro-Dem as it is now. That might seem shocking to young conservatives, but libs ran the media and the entertainment industry in those days as well as today. The general public wasn't nearly as accepting of socialist ideas as it is now, and views on social issues were more commonly shared.

But when the prospect of the election of a candidate like Goldwater who would try to shake the politicians out of their love for increasingly, large government, the libs all banded together to destroy him, Goldwater.

43 posted on 07/25/2014 2:54:31 AM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Was it Gene McCarthy who said that? Thanks!


44 posted on 07/25/2014 3:13:28 AM PDT by cotton1706 (ThisRepublic.net)
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To: cotton1706

Barry Goldwater never needed vindication, IMHO.


45 posted on 07/25/2014 3:16:14 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Bender2

Kick his ass Bendy!


46 posted on 07/25/2014 6:15:28 AM PDT by Impy (Think for yourself)
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To: driftless2; okie01; Bender2

Do you remember the follow-up billboard ads from the GOP in ~1966 with the photo of Goldwater and the words “now you know he was right”? I saw them north of Chicago from the bus on my way to Army reserve summer training camp at Fort McCoy, WI. I do not recall the media picking up on those bulletin board ads while LBJ was losing his war in VN.


47 posted on 07/25/2014 7:09:05 AM PDT by shove_it (Directive 10-289 lives)
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To: shove_it
Do you remember the follow-up billboard ads from the GOP in ~1966 with the photo of Goldwater and the words “now you know he was right”?

Yes. That...and the line "They said if I voted for Goldwater, we'd end up in a full-blown war in Viet Nam inside of six months. Sure enough, I did and we were."

48 posted on 07/25/2014 10:13:48 AM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance on parade.)
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To: okie01; driftless2; moonshot925; cotton1706

I knew this thread sounded familiar ...

Barry Goldwater Against Big Government (1964) - Classic Campaign Ad: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2905627/posts


49 posted on 07/25/2014 11:19:06 AM PDT by shove_it (Directive 10-289 lives)
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