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Gaza Underground, the threat Israel chose to ignore [Israel and Hamas]
The Times of Israel ^ | Friday, July 25, 2014 | Avi Issacharoff

Posted on 07/25/2014 2:08:48 AM PDT by Star Traveler

Hamas’s attack tunnels are now recognized as a major danger, but Israel would have to reconquer Gaza to make sure they aren’t rebuilt, and that would cause untenable losses.

The tunnels inside Gaza and under the Israeli border are not a secret project Hamas ran under the noses of Israel and the Palestinian public. Every child in Gaza, like every junior officer in IDF Military Intelligence, knew that, beneath Gaza City and beyond, a network of tunnels was being dug over the past five years, with an investment of millions of dollars. In other words, Gaza Underground

Yet the Israeli public was still surprised by the scope of the tunnels when the danger became clear in the past week or two. The Israeli press had reported on the phenomenon, but it appears that Israel’s political leadership — and, to some extent, its security leadership — had preferred to play down the threat. Today, on Day 18 of Operation Protective Edge, the public recognizes the strategic danger.

Hamas’s strategic underground industry didn’t bloom overnight. In order to build 40 “attack tunnels” snaking out from Gaza and under the border (and the number could be slightly higher), Hamas needed significant help, from a large organization or state entity. And not just monetary help, but also professional guidance. Hamas could have used experts from the tunnels dug at Rafah under the Gaza-Egypt border, but those were simpler, and did not demand any extraordinary investment or effort.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesofisrael.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cement; gaza; gazatunnels; hamas; hamastunnels; israel; israelgroundop
Amazing ... and what a significant danger these are ... much more so than the rockets!
1 posted on 07/25/2014 2:08:49 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Star Traveler

Paid for by the U.S. taxpayer.


2 posted on 07/25/2014 2:14:37 AM PDT by Hans
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To: Hans

Israel singles out Qatar as key Hamas terror sponsor
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3184241/posts

http://www.timesofisrael.com/as-it-battles-hamas-israel-singles-out-its-sponsor-qatar/

Gulf emirate is branded the villain behind Hamas belligerence, with PM’s former security adviser saying it funds tunnel diggers and rocket launchers.

President Shimon Peres accused Qatar on Wednesday of becoming “the world’s largest funder of terror” due to its financial support for Hamas in Gaza.

“Qatar does not have the right to send money for rockets and tunnels which are fired at innocent civilians,” the outgoing statesman told UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon in Jerusalem. “Their funding of terror must stop. If they want to build then they should, but they must not be allowed to destroy.”

Qatar’s recently attempted to transfer funds for the salaries of Hamas civil servants in Gaza, following the formation of a Palestinian unity government, but was blocked by the United States, which pressured the Arab Bank not to process them. But former national security adviser Maj. Gen. (res) Yaakov Amidror told The Times of Israel that the emirate’s funding for the organization’s terror apparatus, including tunnel diggers and rocket launchers, has continued unabated.


3 posted on 07/25/2014 2:19:17 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Hans

In Qatari-Backed Trip, UN ‘s Ban Ki-moon Laid Low by Israel’s Peres
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3184274/posts

http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/23/in-qatari-backed-trip-un-s-ban-ki-moon-laid-low-by-israels-peres-mr-secretary-general-they-even-use-your-unrwa-schools-to-store-their-rockets/

Israeli President Shimon Peres on Wednesday told United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon that Israel would not stand by while Qatar, which paid for the UN official’s private flight to the Middle East, continued to finance Hamas militants, and took Ban to task for the two UN-run schools found to be housing Hamas rockets in Gaza.

In his last full day in office, Peres, a historically dovish leader, struck a defiant tone in a statement delivered to the media after meeting Ban at the President’s Residence, in Jerusalem.

“Qatar does not have the right to send money for rockets and tunnels which are fired at innocent civilians,” Peres said. “Their funding of terror the must stop.”

Newsweek‘s Benny Avni reported on Monday that the Qatari government paid for the UN Secretary General’s flight through the Middle East, where his first stop on Sunday was Doha, where he denounced Israel’s Operation Protective Edge’s battle in Shuja’iya, a border city that had been overrun by competing Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad fighters, and where rockets were hidden in mosques, hospitals, playgrounds and cemeteries connected by tunnels used to infiltrate the Israeli border and attack Kibbutz Nahal Oz a mile away.


4 posted on 07/25/2014 2:20:54 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Hans

http://www.timesofisrael.com/us-blocked-qatari-funds-intended-for-hamas-employees/

The United States has blocked the transfer of Qatari funds earmarked for the salaries of civil servants hired by Hamas in Gaza, The Times of Israel has learned.

A diplomatic source in the Gulf state, speaking on condition of anonymity, said that Qatar had transferred hundreds of millions of dollars to Arab Bank for the salaries of some 44,000 Hamas civil servants. Those civil servants — employed by Hamas in Gaza since its takeover of the Strip in 2007 – were rendered jobless by the unity agreement with Fatah last month.

But the money was never processed by Arab Bank and delivered to Hamas, the source told The Times of Israel, due to pressure from the Americans, who consider Hamas a terror organization.

“This is strange, since funds from Qatar have never been blocked in the past,” the source said, referring to the $400 million aid package pledged by Qatari ruler Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa during his visit to Gaza in October 2012.

Hamas’s deputy political bureau chief Moussa Abu Marzouk lambasted Arab Bank for neglecting to process the funds in comments posted on his Facebook page June 28.


5 posted on 07/25/2014 2:21:41 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

These tunnels sound as if they’re much larger than 40”, 40 inches ? Fourty inches is enough to convieniently crawl through. These sound like you can drive through some of them. Like to see some pix on how big these things are.

What the IDF should be doing and hope are, is disabling the equipment used to construct them and sinking every ship load of concrete or construction equipment use to build them comming in there.


6 posted on 07/25/2014 2:47:16 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: Star Traveler

Nope, there is technology sufficient to overcome that task. Tunnels stick out like a sore thumb when performing Harmonic resonance measurements.


7 posted on 07/25/2014 2:50:39 AM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: mosesdapoet

Not 40 inches but 40 tunnels ... :-) ...


8 posted on 07/25/2014 2:53:57 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Usagi_yo

Perhaps you need to contract with the IDF ... :-) ...


9 posted on 07/25/2014 2:54:51 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler; Candor7

from the comments:

Todd Warnick · Top Commenter · Jerusalem, Israel

There are some assumptions that Avi makes in this article that aren’t entirely clear. Would we lose hundreds of soldiers in uprooting Hamas? Why does he think that? We are starting to get to their commanders and their best forces went down in Sajaiyah and now are being defeated/killed/surrendering left and right. As to not taking over Gaza again - at least temporarily until we destroy all the tunnels - it’s not clear that this isn’t on the agenda. See: repeated Lapid and Livni statements. The only thing that might stop us is more incomprehensible pressure from the US - after all, President Obama was the one that twisted our arm and forced us to transfer to Gaza from the Nesher Cement Company 600 tons of cement - dual-use materials that in the end were used solely for building tunnels and terrorist infrastructure. Thank you Mr. President!


10 posted on 07/25/2014 2:58:04 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum...)
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To: Fred Nerks

Thats great intel. Fred.

Obama had the cement imported, a sign that Obama is micromanaging Hamas agression, and that includes getting Gadaffi’s arsenal of hand held surface to air missiles into Gaza from where Obama had them distributed in Benghazi, the devils own work.

Now the world knows.


11 posted on 07/25/2014 3:03:07 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Fred Nerks

To that end, the US is sending $47 mil to Hamas for “humanitarian aid”.

There are many suicidal Israelis who still want to give peace a chance, thus, the assumption.

The assumption does not take into account the reality on the ground where Hamas is suffering one defeat after another as they fall back to the central command city under Gaza city.

A pause or ceasefire would be just to Hamas’ liking when things get too hot. Iran will then rebuild the entire tunnel infrastructure, a new supply of rockets, and possibility a defense against the Merkava 4’s Windbreaker missile defense systems.

Then Hamas, and if Hezbollah is not still tied up in Syria, launch a two pronged attack. Maybe Iran will be able then to step in with a nuke for Tel Aviv.

Hamas must be totally defeated and Gaza occupied by Israeli mil to give peace a chance.


12 posted on 07/25/2014 3:35:01 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Star Traveler

One of Obamas first actions as President was to write a check to Hamas for 900 million dollars,now you know who financed the building of the tunnels


13 posted on 07/25/2014 3:35:02 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: ballplayer

The USA can’t do that with Hamas, as they are listed officially as a foreign terrorist organization. What you’re referring to is humanitarian aid that goes through agencies, like UNRWA for example.

And humanitarian aid is something that Israel lets through and into Gaza (Israel has a blockade around Gaza) and thus Israel has no problem with that.

Just a day or so ago, the Israeli Ambassador was speaking at the UN Human Rights Council and he said that Israel has no fight with the Palestinian civilians in Gaza, but only with Hamas.

Also, see Post #5 for what the USA does with money coming in to Hamas from other countries.


14 posted on 07/25/2014 3:41:00 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

Everyone knows that the Obama administration is one of the key backers of Hamas, since it gave that terrorist organization $900 million in 2009. Just last week Kerry committed another $47 million in taxpayer money, in flagrant violation of US law that forbids funding a Hamas affiliate.

The Wall Street Journal and others have reviled the Obama administration’s support for Hamas, but of course to no avail.


15 posted on 07/25/2014 4:07:49 AM PDT by Piranha (Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have - Saul Alinsky)
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To: Star Traveler
USA does with money coming in to Hamas from other countries...

That might be what the USA does. On the other hand, there is what the Ø regime does.

Like the "diplomatic pouch", the Ø regime uses its power in lots of small ways to aid Hamas and hurt Israel. Based on what I've read and heard, UNRWA is a hotbed of terrorists, like the State dept is a hotbed of spies.

16 posted on 07/25/2014 4:08:02 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: C210N

Israel should fill those tunnels with a propellant and light them off all at the same time. (Ever see the movie “Caddy Shack”?)

Might break a lot of windows in GAZA but would certainly cause a lot of excitement.


17 posted on 07/25/2014 4:11:11 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: PIF

There are fewer and fewer Israelis who want to “give peace a chance”. Netanyahu’s approval is at about 85% as he expands the campaign against Hamas, and even lefties like Lapid and Livni are rejecting calls for a cease-fire and indicating that they could support occupation of Gaza, which of course would entail destruction of Hamas.

Thanks for the reminder about Obama forcing Israel to supply the concrete to Hamas that it used to build its tunnels. I had forgotten about that.


18 posted on 07/25/2014 4:11:59 AM PDT by Piranha (Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have - Saul Alinsky)
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To: Star Traveler

As was posted above the United States has been twisting Israel’s arm to force it to give aid and support to the Hamas terrorist organization. Perhaps the most egregious example is the requirement that Israel supply concrete to Hamas. I have no doubt that both the US and Israel knew that it was being used to build the tunnels, since they both could see what above-ground infrastructure projects were being completed.

Code Pink and Bernadine Dohrn among others have gone to Gaza and met with Hamas during the Obama regime.

Finally a consensus seems to be emerging in Israel that this may be an opportune time to obliterate Hamas, now that the Obama regime is weakened and Egypt and Saudi Arabia are giving their tacit approval.


19 posted on 07/25/2014 4:16:37 AM PDT by Piranha (Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have - Saul Alinsky)
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To: Piranha

The USA doesn’t give money or arms to Hamas, but the USA does give humanitarian aid to the People there in Gaza through agencies, such as UNRWA who administers the programs.

And Israel, who controls the good that go into Gaza (they have a blockade around Gaza) does let the goods that the USA sends in through UNRWA go through their checkpoints, as Israel has no problem with that.

What Israel doesn’t let go through their checkpoints or past their blockade are arms and war material going to Hamas.


20 posted on 07/25/2014 4:36:02 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Piranha

You’re getting your facts mixed up ... LOL ...

Obama supported the Muslim Brotherhood in Egyot, but not Hamas in Gaza. And subsequently the Muslim Brotherhood has been “tossed out” of Egypt (as much as they can) and their leaders arrested. And the Muslim Brotherhood President of Egypt was deposed and replaced by a military man from Egypt’s military (who is President now) ... and Obama opposed that.

Hamas in Gaza did back the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, which is why Egypt right now is coming down hard on Hamas. But Obama never backed or funded Hamas in Gaza. He did back the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.

In addition to the above ... the money you’re referring to is for humanitarian aid to Palestinian civilians, which the Israeli Ambassador to the UN said just a couple of days ago ... that Israel has no fight against the people who live in Gaza, but only Hamas.

The USA doesn’t give money or arms to Hamas, but the USA does give humanitarian aid to the People there in Gaza through agencies, such as UNRWA who administers the programs.

And Israel, who controls the good that go into Gaza (they have a blockade around Gaza) does let the goods that the USA sends in through UNRWA go through their checkpoints, as Israel has no problem with that.

What Israel doesn’t let go through their checkpoints or past their blockade are arms and war material going to Hamas.

I hope that clears it up for you now ... :-) ...


21 posted on 07/25/2014 4:41:57 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

Hamas’s attack tunnels are now recognized as a major danger, but Israel would have to reconquer Gaza to make sure they aren’t rebuilt, and that would cause untenable losses. 

“Yeah, like national suicide is the acceptable option


22 posted on 07/25/2014 5:08:38 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Vendome

Actually, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is working on a long-term solution, that he mentioned in the last few days. He’s calling for the disarmament of Gaza and asking the world community for help in doing this (and enforcing it long-term). Right after that, and only a couple of days ago, the EU Ministers voted to disarm Gaza.

This are just the beginning steps, so you’re not going to see anything immediate, and Israel does have its short-term goals for Hamas, right now.

The ultimate solution that Israel sees, however, according to Prime Minister Netanyahu is the disarmament of Gaza. No Second Amendment there ... :-) ...


23 posted on 07/25/2014 5:20:47 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

US law forbids the aid to Hamas that the US has been funneling into Gaza. Obama doesn’t care about the law.

ObM has strong-armed Israel into allowing hundreds of millions of tons of concrete into Gaza from Israel’s own Nesher Industries.

It is no accident that the tunnel enterprize really took off 5 years ago, when the US gave Hamas $900 million.


24 posted on 07/25/2014 5:23:56 AM PDT by Piranha (Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have - Saul Alinsky)
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To: Piranha
How the U.S. Aids Hamas Through the Palestinian Authority

Obama Approves Direct Funding For Hamas

US sends $50M to Gaza

Kerry, Obama, and the WEF’s $4 Billion Bailout Plan for PLO/Hamas

VERY IMPORTANT.. Obama’s Brother Funds Hamas (Proof Below)

Hamas 'happy' with Obama's $900 million pledge [2009 Flashback: Never Forget!!]

U.S. Selling $11B in Weaponry to Gulf State That Supports Hamas, Syrian Jihadists

Why would Hamas negotiate with John Kerry after getting $47 million from him?

Ninth Lesson From the Gaza War: Hamas Will Use Humanitarian Aid for Evil

Will Obama Snatch Defeat from the Jaws of Victory Over Hamas?

Obama to the rescue – of Hamas

The Southern Poverty Law Center Stands Up for Hamas

State Dept: U.S. Supports Palestinian Unity Government (Hamas)

Report: US Holding Backroom Talks with Hamas ‘For Months’

U.S. held secret meeting with Hamas, Terrorist regime still won't recognize Israel's right to exist

Former FBI Agent Says Leading Muslim Group a ‘Hamas Front’ (CAIR)

Pictured: Obama’s half-brother wearing Hamas scarf that boasts ‘Jerusalem is ours—WE ARE COMING’

Obama’s Brother Joins Hamas, Wears Scarf Saying ‘Jerusalem Is Ours; We Are Coming’

Barack Obama’s Brother Malik Joins Hamas Terrorist Group

Obama appoints Hamas supporter who called Israelis Nazis to commission on religious freedom

CIA finds 1 in 5 flagged job applicants hail from Hamas, Hezbollah, al Qaeda

Al-Qaeda, Hamas operatives applied for CIA jobs, say new Snowden files

Obama Officials Met with Hamas, Discussed Removing it from Terror List

Summer Camp: Hamas Teaches Children to Kill and Kidnap Israelis

U.S. Muslim Brotherhood/Hamas Support Leader Chosen By Syrian Opposition

25 posted on 07/25/2014 5:40:17 AM PDT by Diogenesis (The EXEMPT Congress is complicit in the absence of impeachment)
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To: Diogenesis

Nice collection. I will post it every time. I see Star Traveler lie that the US is not funding Hamas.

As we know, it is a violation of US law for the government to fund entities with which Hamas is affiliated, so the $900 million given to them in 2009 and the $47 million committed this week by John Kerry are but two examples of Obama’s flagrant violation of US law to fund the Hamas terror organization.

In addition, as we have seen since Obama told the investment banking community, “I am the only thing standing between you and the pitchforks,” he tends to direct others to do his bidding when he doesn’t want to be seem doing it himself. To that end he has used the IRS to destroy conservative groups and the FAA to pressure Israel, to name two examples.

When he pressured Israel to allow 900 million (or whatever the correct number is) tons of cement into Gaza to be used by Hamas to bud the timnels that Israel is obliterating so assiduously, he was using this strategy to give himself plausible deniability.

Once Israel occupies the Gaza Strip and wipes out Hamas’s military capability, the political entity will collapse as well.

On the down side, Obama and his minions around the world will push for Israel to re-embrace the two-state solution with an intensity not seem for years. On the up side, now that Israel has seen what happens when it abandons control of a territory, as it did with Gaza, and how vulnerable it is to isolation, as the FAA’s political banning of US airlines from landkng at Ben-Gurion Airport demonstrated, the. Israelis are more likely to take advantage of the US’a weakened state and tell Obama (politely and in a politically astute manner) to stuff it.


26 posted on 07/25/2014 6:17:34 AM PDT by Piranha (Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have - Saul Alinsky)
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27 posted on 07/25/2014 7:09:50 AM PDT by SJackson (government tampers with a freedom so fundamental, one shudders to think what lies ahead. Card Dolan)
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To: SJackson

I am on my phone and unable to post the following as a new thread. I think it is critically important in explaining why Israel has to keep fighting, and what damage would be caused by a cease fire now: http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2014/07/hamas-new-year-surprise-and-john-kerrys.html?m=1


28 posted on 07/25/2014 7:41:33 AM PDT by Piranha (Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have - Saul Alinsky)
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To: Diogenesis

I can see you still confuse both humanitarian aid or aid to the Palestinian Authority, which Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has lobbied and urged Congress to continue supporting (because Israel doesn’t want it’s soldiers administering the PA territories).

And I see you’re also confusing the “unity pact” which is nothing but a “paper document” for foreign consumption ... with Hamas ... when it is the Palestinian Authority” and Abbas who are fully in control of Judea and Samaria.

The problem you have is that you can’t see the details and distinguish what is going on. And you confuse criminals and criminal actions of terrorists with support that the USA is giving to Palestinians, versus the terror groups.

You ignore that Prime Minister Netanyahu has no problem with humanitarian aid for Palestinian civilians and he also wants support for the Palestinian Authority to continue so Israel won’t have to administer the territories.

What neither the USA or Israel wants is any money or arms to the terrorist organization and neither one of them is doing that.


29 posted on 07/25/2014 7:42:20 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

We can see you are untruthful, and undeterred by facts
such as the copious threads listed above.

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30 posted on 07/25/2014 7:51:31 AM PDT by Diogenesis (The EXEMPT Congress is complicit in the absence of impeachment)
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To: Piranha

You’re talking about humanitarian aid, which Israel fully allows and let’s through their checkpoints ... where they screen stuff to make sure no arms and military parts gets through to Hamas. An agency, such as UNRWA, administers humanitarian aid to the Palestinians in Gaza. Israel doesn’t have the least problem with humanitarian aid, as the Israeli Ambassador at the UN, said in the UN Human Rights Council that Israel is not against the Palestinians in Gaza, bit against Hamas. He said that JUST NOW, in the middle if all that fighting ... a couple of days ago!


31 posted on 07/25/2014 7:54:18 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Diogenesis

Well, I can’t help it if you can’t distinguish between what Israel itself allows for humanitarian aid, versus sending arms and money to Hamas, which neither the USA or Israel does or allows ... LOL ...


32 posted on 07/25/2014 7:56:37 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Diogenesis

Yes he is. He is a leftist troll spamming Free Republic with his lies.


33 posted on 07/25/2014 8:06:34 AM PDT by Piranha (Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have - Saul Alinsky)
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To: Star Traveler

Yeah, I sure hope so.

Frickin roaches.

They need to pour kerosene down those tunnels and smoke a big fat cigar while they torch the holes.


34 posted on 07/25/2014 8:41:43 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Piranha

As I said, if it’s LEFTIST (as you put it) ... to support Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and Israel and keep it safe and secure as the “homeland for the Jews” amd support the current policies of the government of Israel, with Netanyahu as leader, along with supporting the IDF in its own stated goals — then we should all be LEFTIST like that ... LOL ...

You’re the one who said it was LEFTIST to do that, since I’ve been supporting Prime Mimister Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel, the IDF and the policies that they’ve all stated! ... :-) ...


35 posted on 07/25/2014 10:56:25 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler; Diogenesis; Piranha

From the outside looking in, I think that you guys are really natural allies on opposing Hamas (and the Islamist terrorist agenda generally), but that you disagree over the motivation of Obama and the US Government.

I would urge you share info, and try to persuade gradually, rather than quickly get frustrated and write other people off as “liars” or leftists. It is a big leap for the unsuspecting to believe that the President of the USA is working at cross-purposes to what they expect.

The relations between Obama and the Muslim Brotherhood (which Hamas declares itself to be part of in its charter) are long and deep, and they explain elements of Obamas foreign policy that otherwise seem strange. The picture that Diogenesis posted of Obama’s half brother Malik (who works for the Islamist government of Sudan), with his arm around Hamas leaders and wearing a scarf that declares “Palestine: from the river to the sea” says a lot.

I have followed Star Travelers posts, and they strike me as posting everything available to closely monitor the situation, from a Pro-Israel position. To convince him (or any fair minded person, not yet aware of it) of covert motivations on Obama’s part, will require a gradual back and forth to make the case and overcome objections and questions. Please be patient and respectful.

I was so opposed to Obama’s re-election, that I went to work for Romney, and was called a liar by some folks on Free Republic. I was not lying (I was mistaken on one point), but that accusation by folks that I turned to as allies really hurt. Please be understanding and kind among our team.


36 posted on 07/25/2014 12:17:13 PM PDT by BeauBo
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