Skip to comments.Putin facing multi-million pound legal action over alleged role in MH17 crash
Posted on 07/27/2014 7:41:57 AM PDT by elhombrelibre
Vladimir Putin is facing a multi-million-pound legal action for his alleged role in the shooting down of a Malaysia Airlines passenger jet over eastern Ukraine, The Sunday Telegraph can disclose.
British lawyers are preparing a class action against the Russian president through the American courts. Senior Russian military commanders and politicians close to Mr Putin are also likely to become embroiled in the legal claim.
The case would further damage relations between Mr Putin and the West, but politicians would be powerless to prevent it.
Last week, lawyers from McCue & Partners, the London law firm, flew to Ukraine for discussions about how to bring the case and where it should be filed. Victims families will be invited to join the action. The case will inevitably highlight the role allegedly played by Russia in stoking conflict in eastern Ukraine.
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Why don’t they do through their own courts?
Putin is an evil man, yet how does a plane crash in the Ukraine involving either Ukrainian and/or Russian militaries wind up in the US courts?
If you want an international court of justice, I think there is one in the Hague.
A Russia refusal to defend against the class action could lead to a claim against Russian assets in the US.
And then the British court said I had to pay 875 trillion rubles....
They need to sue Malaysian Airlines for fying onver a WAR ZONE where 4 aircraft had beed shot down including one troop carrier at 22,000 feet. If the Russians supplied a SA11 to the Ukranians ( which they did) and it was captured by the East Ukranian after ther duely elected Government was over thrown? How do you sue Russians? I’m lost on the comnnection.
That’s true, and unless they get a few Putinistas on the jury an American civil jury is more likely to realize that ultimately the dictator Putin pulled the trigger when he gave his proxies these types of weapons. The money for the families won’t bring back the dead, but Putin’s looted money should be given to the victims. Russians apparently don’t mind if their president for life steals from them, but why should the victims of putin’s ultra-nationalist violence not be compensated for his idiotic melodrama?
Wonder how much of Putin’s billions are invested worldwide?
Squeeze the war criminal and then squeeze some more.
This is a good question. Some say he is the richest man in the world now. I’m wondering why the press doesn’t pursue this subject more. I know they cannot if they’re in Russia. They’d be killed, like other people in the press who have exposed corruption in Putin’s police state. Still, there are reporters outside of Russia who presumably could get close to figuring out how much he has stolen.
The BBC reported a few days ago that several major airlines,including Lufthansa (one of the most highly respected airlines of today) were flying that very same route.Assuming that's true (and the claim is surely easily verified...or refuted) that takes the airline completely off the hook,IMO.Also,I think Europe has something resembling our FAA.If I'm correct did that body issue anything resembling a warning about flying over that area at 33,000 feet? If not that fact *too* takes the airline off the hook.
This is Vald Putin's savagery.Nobody but him deserves blame.
There will be plenty of Putin fans wanting to blame the victims, but what they have to ask themselves is this. If Putin didn’t start all of this trouble and provide these weapons to his proxy henchmen, if Putin were willing to allow peace and freedom in Ukraine, would these Putinistas on FReerepublic be able to blame the victims. The answer is no because there would be no victims.
Why do the Ukrainian army and its mercenary outfits have AA in the war zone in the first place, to take down kites flown by “terrorist Putinistas?” So I’ll assume they have proof of previous incursions of Russian planes and were set up to take them on, so is it possible that a plane like the airliner could be mistaken for a warplane? I’m still betting on the Ukes having botched this job.
Does this really belong in an American court room? Why not a European court? It wasn’t an American airliner, citizens that died were not Americans, it wasn’t shot out of the sky over America, ok the plane was built here but it was sold over 10 years ago. I don’t get it, and I really don’t want to hear about it on the news day after day like the OJ trial.
Does ANYONE with a bit of common sense REALLY believe Putin or any other ex-KGB Russian is shaking in their boots over a potential lawsuit???
Do lawyers ever read or understand Russian history as well as culture??
Ukraine is a free and independent country; it’s allowed to protect itself under international law even if it’s in defiance of Putin. He does not own Ukraine, but like his hero Stalin he intends to inflict pain and suffering on that country for his own vainglory. It seems you’re a supporter of his, and will no doubt be on the upcoming prayer thread that Putinistas are going to establish for their hero on FreeRepublic.
The Russkies never captured a Buk from Ukraine. NATO saw them 2 weeks prior to the shootdown with Buks on the Russian side of the border, conducting training. The Russkies then claimed they captured one (Ukraine denies) and then sent them across the border, along the same route everything coming from Russia drives through. Typically, whenever the Russkies send something over the border, they claim they captured it first, to maintain plausible deniability. But there is no evidence for it except for claims from Russian state controlled media, with no other independent sources.
As for the whole "duely elected government was over thrown." The Interim government all along was the Ukrainian Rada elected in 2012. Only Yanukovych was "overthrown," and this was done by him fleeing the country to a foreign enemy, not by anyone forcing him out. This is like Obama fleeing from Washington DC to Iran. Or Bibi fleeing to Hamas, after turning into a liberal. Yanukovych could have fled anywhere in Ukraine, even to the East, but chose Russia. The Ukrainian SBU says they think it was Russia that forced him to flee to their country.
One American died, though he had duel citizenship with the Dutch.
Because they're in a war with Russia, although not official, with the Russkies occasionally sending helicopters and jets across the border. One Ukrainian Jet, according to Ukrainians, was shot down by a Russkie Jet. These aircraft and Russkie drones also pinpoint Ukrainian positions so the Russkies can shoot missile sat them from Russian soil, which has been going on for awhile now.
So Ill assume they have proof of previous incursions of Russian planes and were set up to take them on, so is it possible that a plane like the airliner could be mistaken for a warplane?
No, because the airline was flying at 33,000 feet and had flown all across Ukraine before flying over Russkie controlled territory. Furthermore, if the missile was Ukranian from where the Russkies claimed their SAMS were, then that means the missile would have had to travel over Russian controlled territory, all loud and bright, and yet not be noticed.
It is confirmed that the separatists had Buks in the immediate area. That they fled back to Russia. And the separatists were the first to know that something had been shot down, and took credit for it, before they removed their postings and started claiming they never even had Buks.
Im still betting on the Ukes having botched this job.
Maybe you have an undiagnosed mental problem.
Because this guy says so and you will know why.
Arrange to Shoot down a plane and get sued? If that’s all it will cost him, expect more.
It might not be so cute to him and his fans when the cost comes straight out of his overseas investments. Putin’s no ascetic; he loves money, especially other people’s money. He’s taken so much that it’s hard to say if he is the world’s richest man. Nonetheless, the victims of Putin’s mass murder deserve compensation from the sponsor and patron of Putin’s proxy army in his illegal, undeclared war against Ukraine.
If Putin chose to file a libel and defamation lawsuit in British courts, he could be laughing all the way to the bank.
Oh really. Do you suppose it’s just because he is such a nice guy that he doesn’t do it? Do you think he’d testify in a court and provide evidence? Have another margarita and think this theory of yours through a bit more. I’m sure Putin won’t be following up on your suggestion. I never say this but “LOL.”
Suspicion for the apparent shooting down of a Malaysia Airlines flight immediately fell on pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine who two weeks ago boasted of capturing powerful surface-to-air missiles.
Anton Gerashenko, a senior aide to Ukraine’s interior minister, said the aircraft carrying 295 passengers was brought down with a missile fired from a Buk anti-aircraft missile battery.
Fighters from the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) overran a Ukrainian army garrison on June 29 and claimed to have captured at least one such weapon. “ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10974821/Ukrainian-separatists-suspected-of-bringing-down-Malaysia-Airlines-flight-on-Russian-border.html
Now where is your source? Nato?
"Typically, whenever the Russkies send something over the border, they claim they captured it first,"
There is no evidence that this is true, however, except from Russian media.
Now where is your source? Nato?
Yes, it is NATO, as well as photographs seen of the Buk traveling through Ukraine and then later fleeing back to Russia, thus implying that is where it came from.
The pitfalls of FINT (facebook intelligence). The photograph of Buk was taken in Krasnoarmeysk, town under Kiev control.
FINT forgot to edit the photograph and it shows the billboard ad for the Krasnoarmeysk car dealership, along with the dealership address.
Perhaps it is the time for the T shirt reading something like this - "My tax dollars fund NSA and all I got is this crappy photograph from Facebook"
This was the lie told by the Russkies. The dealership address was never visible to begin with, and it has been confirmed that the video is accurate from journalists who visited the area.
From the Interpreter:
The vehicle in question, according to Ukraine, passed through Krasnadon on its way back across the border as is reflected on our map. Claims that this video was taken in Ukrainian occupied territory in Krasnoarmeysk, have been debunked. Furthermore, The Interpreter contacted the owners of the billboard locations and were provided with a complete list of billboard locations as well as images of many of the sites. After a careful investigation we can definitively conclude that this video was recorded in Lugansk, on a road between the MH17 crash site and the border crossing near Krasnadon.
Those are the real pitfalls of being a stupid gullible Putinista who reports stuff from Russian media on this forum like fact.
The press is too busy polishing Obama’s golf shoes to investigate Putin.
I am sure no one knows his net worth. Guys like that keep their assets hidden. Exposing his secrets opens up other's secrets. And they ALL do the same thing.
You can be sure any figures or sums we are privy too are only tips of the iceberg.
IOW, the elites all protect each other. When their are fractions and disputes, they deal with it the old fashioned way and it aint by disclosing their secrets to the slaves who make it all possible.
>> Im lost on the connection.
It’s about popular outrage that doesn’t necessarily concern facts.
What they say about themselves: "The Interpreter is underwritten by two registered non-profit organizations: the London-based Herzen Foundation and the New York-based Institute of Modern Russia, of which the journal is a special project.
Check the people tab. Interpreter mag admits being an Khodorkovsky outfit.
Digging deeper reveals more on Khodorkovsky and IMR
The links of Soros and Khodorkovsky are well established. Why not contacting Soros directly for "proof"? Soros is known as subcontractor of dirty jobs and black ops. for DOS.
Khodorkovsky is merely a Soros lapdog. And Soros is merely manservant of....
One is as credible as his sources are. Your shilling for Soros on Conservative site is poor taste and poor judgement.
Tit for that, your source that the Interpreter is a propaganda arm for Soros appears to be a conspiracy website which declares:
"More evidence has been entered into the files of public record that terrorist organizations such as al-Qaeda, ISIS, and the al-Nusra Front are completely controlled by the CIA and other Western intelligence agencies."
IOW, 9/11 was an inside job run by CIA controlled Al-Qaeda. Now we know where you freaks are coming from in this debate.
Furthermore, if you read the article, you would know that it isn't just the Interpreter reporting this, and that they have hard evidence to back it up, though you could turn around and say that the entire MSM is "soros controlled" and maybe claim there is CGI going on. So how about this? Post a screenshot of your billboard with the address clearly visible. That should be easy, right?
My nephew is probably involved in this, it is what he does.
Putin: “don’t fly commercial aircraft thru an active war zone.”
I have read that Putin hides his looted money in Switzerland and Lichtenstein. Ironic isn’t it that such a “patriot” as Putin keeps his money in Switzerland and his daughter lived in Holland.
Soros is a manservant of who? The Jooos? ZOG?
Nah. Soros worked for Himmler when Nazis occupied Hungary in 1944. He helped looting of the property of murdered Hungarian Jews. Soros himself described it as the happiest time of his life. That's how he earned his stripes.
Soros' disinformation network was used in the past and is still used to defame Israel.
If you need the answer, follow the money. Search for Quantum fund and others hidden in the shade.
The MO of Soros disinforation network is known and well documented.
First, a Soros outfit A places fake story and it is immediatelly re-broadcasted by Soros outfits B and C, all of them having "human rights" "democracy" or similar fig leaf.
It is them picked up by small legitimate media flagged by the Soros outfits.
Last but not least, it is picked up by the major MSM.
When the story fizzles, MSM has credible two steps of separation.
Israelis were especially competent at exposing this scheme.
It is not conspiracy, it is media warfare.
In the past,FR was good place to look behind MSM machinations. Sadly, not so any more.
It seems that "duck and cover" exercise put many in Cold war mode of thinking whenever they see Russia word.
Notice that instead of backing up the claims of Russian media and your conspiracy trash, answering my challenge, you just repeated your accusation like the bootlicking Paultard/Alex Jones freak you are.
Speaking if anti-semites defaming Israel, remember how you told me "You're only as good as your source"? Your source on Netanyahu and "genocidal" Israel:
"Netanyahu and Rahm Emmanuel Agree: Never Let a Crisis Go To Waste"
Putin has leveraged his power to acquire a 4.5% ownership stake in natural gas producer Gazprom, a 37% stake in oil company Surgutneftegas and 50% stake in Swiss oil-trader Gunvor. Gazprom alone does over $150 billion in revenue annually, Guvnor does $80 billion and Surgutneftegas over $20 billion. Using their most recent market capitalizations, Putin's combined ownership stakes would give him a personal net worth of $70 billion!
Here is Putin on a Harley Trike at the 14th International Biker Rally in Sevastopol, Crimea, July 24, 2010....note the Ukraine flag in addition the Russian flag on his trike back when he owned both countries.
Another angle ... Sanctions Revive Search for Secret Putin Fortune
After graduating from college with a law degree, Putin spent the next 16 years working as a KGB agent. In 1988, the official White House photographer inadvertently photographed Putin spying on President Ronald Reagan while disguised as a regular Russian tourist in Moscow:
“Putin is an evil man, yet how does a plane crash in the Ukraine involving either Ukrainian and/or Russian militaries wind up in the US courts?”
Apparently they think an American judge is arrogant enough to think he/she has jurisdiction over the foreign policy of foreign counties.
“If you want an international court of justice, I think there is one in the Hague.”
Just like in theses united States you won’t find justice among men who think their power, ideas, and views not only constitute law but law that extends everywhere.
Such a concept of man made universal law defies the very notion of justice. The Russian nation like all other nations it is a sovereign entity accountable only to itself.
Does not look like this from this picture. IMHO, that's not Putin.
He committed an act of war and the response is a lawsuit. That’s how he will see it.
“This is Vald Putin’s savagery.Nobody but him deserves blame.”
You are right...this is Putin’s problem and I hope it will finally lead to his downfall. Won’t happen in Russia...where public opinion is for Putin (who knows what sort of propaganda the public’s been fed). But I believe if financial pressure is put on Russia’s oligarchy...Putin might feel some pressure to back off.
Or just freeze the assets of these jackasses if they have $$ anywhere in Europe or USA.
Can’t remember where I read it...but something to the effect of taking away Russian women’s access to Channel and other fancy dancy French labels...and the wives and mistresses would apply some, um, ‘pressure’ on the Russian politico’s...forcing Putin to quite his insane attacks.
Or freeze any assets these goobers have in Europe and the USA until restitution is made to the families and the AIRLINE.
As to the last sentence of your reply, I am not certain Putin answers to his own countrymen, much less the rest of the world.
He is Stalin minus the mustache in viewpoint.
As Mr. Edd I believe it was said yesterday, when Putin is gone they will replace him with someone just like him.
Soviet doctrine hasn’t changed since the days of Stalin. They only have one line of clones for leader, they all are just like Putin. Russians tried a little democracy for a couple of years, it was snuffed out by the Russian Thugacracy and that isn’t likely to change. Anyone who gets Russians talking of democracy these days is soon counting magic fairies in an asylum.
Putin is not going to die of old age, like all thug kings he will at some point piss the other thugs in the Thugacracy off bad enough and he will have a sudden heart attack and be forgotten. The other thugs in the halls of power will divide his plunder and move on with Stalin/Putin ver.10.2.01
Any loyalty Russians have is to each their own best interests. Putin’s quarterly payola payments must take hours to read through.
Looks like the little weasel to me and the height looks right too.