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Bill to Improve VA Has $17B Price Tag
Newsmax / Ap ^ | July 28, 2014

Posted on 07/28/2014 12:38:46 PM PDT by lilyramone

A bipartisan deal to improve veterans' health care would authorize at least $17 billion to fix the health program scandalized by long patient wait times and falsified records covering up delays, the bill's chief supporters said Monday.

The agreement includes $10 billion in emergency spending to make it easier for veterans who can't get prompt appointments with Veterans Affairs doctors to obtain outside care; $5 billion to hire doctors, nurses and other medical staff; and about $1.5 billion to lease 27 new clinics across the country, the chairmen of the House and Senate Veterans Affairs committees said.

The bill also would expand a scholarship program for veterans to include surviving spouses of military members who died in the line of duty, allow all veterans to qualify for in-state college tuition, and grant the VA secretary authority to immediately fire senior executives, while providing employees with streamlined appeal rights.

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1 posted on 07/28/2014 12:38:46 PM PDT by lilyramone
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To: lilyramone
What more can you say other than "Politicians never let a good crisis go to waste".

Just more hogs at the trough and the taxpayers continue to fill the trough.

2 posted on 07/28/2014 12:45:14 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: lilyramone

Only in government can you screw up, and demand a raise and more authority.

Government is the Peter Principle on steriods.


3 posted on 07/28/2014 12:45:52 PM PDT by Fido969 (What's sad is most)
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To: lilyramone
The solution to the VA mess, which is at least 40 years old and maybe longer, is threefold:

1) Give every veteran a universal platinum health insurance card, good for 80% of charges at any hospital, outpatient/surgery center, or medical office. Acceptance required at UCR -20%, discount mandatory, balance billing forbidden.

2) Close every VA hospital and lay off every administrator and other parasite associated with them.

3) Give academic medical centers now supposedly delivering care to veterans three years of transition funding, set at 75%, 50%, 25% to transition the physicians to practices to treat veterans and to replace their "research" funding which is coming out of veteran's benefits now to competitive funding or philanthropy.

Done. Problem solved.

4 posted on 07/28/2014 12:46:04 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. Hat)
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To: VideoDoctor
Just more hogs at the trough and the taxpayers continue to fill the trough.
It's time to close all the VA health care facilities and start giving out vouchers to vets with service connected problems only.
5 posted on 07/28/2014 12:48:04 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: lilyramone

Like every Federal agency, the solution is to throw a s**tpile of more money at it, kick up some dust, and allow the next gaggle of incompetents to get the grift they have coming.

What was all the money the VA has in their budget and is apparently not spending going for?

We had people fired or embarassed for setting up these fake “delay” lists.

Are there computers that can develop those lists or not? If not, where did those lists come from?

Do they need like a bunch of new potted palms for the lobbies of their facilities?

They had people who failed at their jobs. OK, so you fire those people and replace with other people. Why daoes that take a budget increase?

This is just sick as hell, and every damn politician is bent over backwards scrambling to throw more money at this, while the 11-second attention span of the American people gradually paints the whole thing onto the rearview mirror.


6 posted on 07/28/2014 12:48:56 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: lilyramone

Why not just disband the corrupt government run VA and allow the veterans to use vouchers which could be used in the civilian medical industry?


7 posted on 07/28/2014 12:53:29 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: oh8eleven
It's time to close all the VA health care facilities and start giving out vouchers to vets with service connected problems only.

A GOOD sound SENSIBLE idea. Now if we could just find someone at the political level who will see it through and make it a REALITY.

8 posted on 07/28/2014 12:59:33 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: dragnet2

Why not just disband the corrupt government (?)


9 posted on 07/28/2014 12:59:34 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: oh8eleven
It's time to close all the VA health care facilities and start giving out vouchers to vets with service connected problems only.

Totally agree with the vouchers but what about the benefit to all veterans who served? Many join for that life long benefit and should get it for leaving the civilian cushy world and serving.

If ya only handed out med benefits for those injured while in the service, that wouldn't be any different than what workers comp provides to all non-veterans.

Not much of an incentive OR benefit for all those who gave up *years* of their lives to serve.

10 posted on 07/28/2014 1:00:43 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: lilyramone

Good grief! Just split the 17B between the vets. Screw the agency!


11 posted on 07/28/2014 1:02:23 PM PDT by SgtHooper (This is not my tag!)
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To: Jim Noble

Do you think those severely wounded vets would get private insurance with pre-existing conditions?


12 posted on 07/28/2014 1:04:14 PM PDT by ex-snook (God forgives and forgets.)
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Do you think those severely wounded vets would get private insurance with pre-existing conditions?

No, and that's not my proposal.

My proposal is to give them insurance and require its acceptance by every health-related business in the country.

I would require that they receive a 20% discount (it's the least we can do) and that the government pay the rest, no questions asked.

I would not ask the existing insurance system to participate in the program.

13 posted on 07/28/2014 1:07:21 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. Hat)
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To: ex-snook
The central problem with the VA system is corruption, because it is feeding many, many mouths with the most tenuous connection - or no connection at all - to the care of veterans.

There is already a functioning (so far) system capable of taking care of all veterans needs - all the government has to do is pay the bills.

14 posted on 07/28/2014 1:13:24 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. Hat)
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To: Don Corleone

Well, I’d settle for just reducing the size and scope of government including the military bureaucrats in D.C./Pentagon.

I’d settle for a 60% cut of all levels of govenrment across the board, outside those actually serving in combat types units, warships etc, and then pass laws forbidding it to increase, ever.

Of course it’s probably too late for that Don since big gov is now the biggest employer in all the land and has more unionized employees than private sector America...

It probably too late and eventually just eats us all alive.


15 posted on 07/28/2014 1:26:08 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: lilyramone

Notice how government fixes for any problem start and end with the expenditure of vast sums of new money.

But rarely is there any accountability, significant reorganization, or correction of the root causes of the problem.

The “Throw More Money At It” solution holds true for republicans and democrats.


16 posted on 07/28/2014 1:27:45 PM PDT by Iron Munro (IRONY)
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To: VideoDoctor

In the private sector, you get fired or go out of business when you screw up. In government, you get showered with billions of extra dollars on top of the billions and billions you already get.


17 posted on 07/28/2014 1:31:35 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: ex-snook
“Do you think those severely wounded vets would get private insurance with pre-existing conditions?”

I assume the proposed “insurance card” would work like a Medicare card, funded by savings from the second proposal, dismantling the VA system.

18 posted on 07/28/2014 1:34:42 PM PDT by riverdawg
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To: dragnet2
Many join for that life long benefit ...
There's never been a "life long benefit" unless you stayed in for at least 20 years. You don't work for (say) AT&T for three years and get "life long benefits."
If the health issue isn't service connected, why should the taxpayers foot the bill? And even more so with the PTSD scam growing at epidemic proportions.
19 posted on 07/28/2014 1:47:56 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Jim Noble

I dont’d know about closing them all. Seems to me it would be smart to consolidate into maybe a dozen regional centers which would handle only military specific injuries like injuries from explosives, burns and chemicals. Funnel everything into the vet’s local hospital and pay the friggin bill.


20 posted on 07/28/2014 1:54:23 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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