Skip to comments.MH17 tragedy: Beating drums for war in Ukraine
Posted on 07/29/2014 9:57:41 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
The shooting down of MH17 in Ukraines civil war is a terrible event. However, the American media and government grossly misrepresent the USAs role in creating the current situation, and coverage of Ukraine does credit to Alice in Wonderland.
Reporting is dominated by the usual suspects from the Brookings Institution, etc. spouting jingoistic nonsense. Yes, there is significant history there, including a murky, amateurish, attempt to poison former President Victor Yushchenko with TCDD (a dioxin) in 2004 by unidentified parties. This sort of thing is a sign of the overall situation.
Lets start with how all US media refer to the Kiev revolutionary government as the legitimate government of Ukraine. By that logic, if Tea Party-affiliated white supremacist militias based in Wisconsin and Idaho staged a rebellion that forced Barack Obama to take refuge in Canada, shut down the US government, and then those militias declared Chicago our new capital, everything would be fine.
The current Kiev government was the result of a coup by fascist-linked goons with heavy-hitter support in conservative Washington think tanks left over from the Cold War. Those Ukrainian interests had enough political clout in past decades to shut down investigations of Ukrainian war criminal collaborators with the Nazis from WWII.
So now, after Crimea was carved away from Ukraine and most of the rest of the Russian ethnics boycotted the Kiev election, surprise, surprise, the Kiev government won. Im sorry. Thats not legitimacy. Thats a coup and a stacked deck.
Then lets look at why Russia got so upset. The trigger was a push by the USA to bring Ukraine into NATO. Note that Sweden was front and center on that the same government that presided over the persecution of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange by suspect legal shenanigans.
It was that push to bring Ukraine into NATO, together with USA support for a revolutionary army that brought down the elected government of Ukraine which alarmed Moscow. It alarmed Moscow the way a push by Russia to bring Mexico, Texas, Alaska or California into a pan-Pacific alliance composed mostly of Russian troops might concern Washington. If that happened it would further the mission of military opposition to the USA. And keep in mind that Russia has been invaded repeatedly by Europe. Europe is peaceful now, but history shows that it can turn rapidly militaristic.
Does Russia have a right to protect itself? Does the USA? Our hands are not exactly clean in Central and South America, are they? We speak as if we are on the high ground. But are we really?
Now lets look to the motivations of the people US media are calling Russian separatists. Why would ethnic Russians take up arms and fight against the Kiev revolutionary government? Thats obvious. They are scared. They dont want to be attacked, beaten, denied work, killed by police, and all the rest of the oppression that would almost certainly be visited on them by Kievs vengeful militias behind the throne.
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Posting from those Commie rags again?
Someone has to shed light on those poor, misunderstood rebels and our hero and savior, Vladimir Putin.
We now have members openly supportive of a communist thug? There were great purges of Romney supporters in the past, but none for the homo-erotically aroused Putin lovers here?
F Russia. It has historically been a murderous and highly tyrannical country, never a beacon of freedom and liberty. Any person, country, provense or whatever that wants to break from it should have our support. Trying to compare the US to Russia is ludicrous and insane and the people who support Russia over the US should not share the same forum as those of us who support our troops, our country, our heritage and our way of life.
Well you have to admit, if the Nov 2016 election is Lizzie Warren v. NJFatboy, a write-in for Putin would be at least satisfying.
“WTF happened to this forum? We now have members openly supportive of a communist thug?”
No, we don’t.
What we have is several ID’s that claim that anything that doesn’t tow whatever today’s Kiev/Obama-approved Propaganda line is “Supporting Putin!”.
We are somehow supposed to forget everything Obama has done, and what he is doing now to Israel, and follow Obama and Kerry BLINDLY on this one subject, and this one subject alone. Sorry, but that dog just won’t hunt with anybody that has been paying attention.
These same people would have us believe that a violent coup wasn’t actually a coup, that the quite visible Nazi wanna-be’s aren’t actually Nazi’s, and that Kiev isn’t shelling civilian areas, the rebels are shelling and killing their own people to make Kiev look bad, thousands of times, despite all of the video and western Journo evidence to the contrary.
Any attempt at objectivity on this matter is met with shouts, childish insults, accusations, and eventually gets deleted by the mods as “too divisive”, or “too much infighting”, achieving the exact goal of those same ID’s, which is to silence ant opposition to the approved line.
When this is all over, (if we survive it), we are going to learn lots of things about what really happened, IMO.
And this coming from someone whose source of information is Russia Today —
Thanks for proving my point, and so quickly, too!
Is this you:
Trolling again, eh?
Your argument falls apart beginning here.
Reading the rest is like watching some Aljezera(?) or RT "reporter" spew the exact same lies. You do not question the reports from RT or some Russian whore who made a Youtube video, no, you question Western media.
You give Obama WAY too much credit, and totally confuse a lazy and stoned isolationist with a NWO overlord. How many minutes total do you think Obama has given his attention to regarding this issue? I'd say less than two.
Anyone who does not think that Russia Today is totally unbiased is a Hitler/Obama/NWO/Globalist/Bildeburg sympathizer. Sure, Russia Today never criticizes Putin, but then again, Putin is a shirtless hero to those of us who blame America first.
You won’t get this from Russia Today:
The show of support for Russia comes as the Kiev government claimed police have found a mass grave containing 52 corpses in a Ukrainian city formerly occupied by pro-Russian rebels.
The find is in addition to the earlier discovery of 14 bodies, claimed Interior Ministry adviser Anton Gerashchenko.
Police have interrogated a man who was burying the bodies on the order of terrorists, he said.
He pointed at a mass grave where 52 bodies were buried, but this is not all. Many bodies were buried here and there. We are working at locating all the bodies.
Whil I agree with you about the incidents in Kiev, both sides have committed atrocities.
The worst atrocity so far appears to be the shooting down of a passenger airplane by Russian funded rebels, using a guided Russian missile launcher. There’s no other logical explanation as to what happened to MH17
I agree that the Russian separatists have committed atrocities, and so have certain factions inside the Ukrainian rebels. But this constant use of the word “terrorist” is getting old. It’s political Orwellian “newspeak” in my opinion. I recall when certain Afghan rebels were called “ freedom fighters”. Of course, when they crossed us, that’s where they became “terrorists”.
War in general, is terrorism, if you’ve got bombs being dropped in your neighborhood. But the use of the word “terrorist” is specifically being used to evoke negative emotions without thoughtful deliberation.
There may come a day when law abiding tea party types, and supporters of the second amendment are called terrorists... oh wait, that’s already happened.
Any room for FSB colonels or Muslim Chechen mercenaries fighting for mother Russia in that synopsis of yours?
Please entertain me in this “Guess who’s a Ukrainian citizen fighting to separate from Ukraine” game:
1) Strelkov - Defense Minister of the Donetsk Terrorist Republic
2) Borodai - Prime Minister of the DTR
3) Antyufeev - Deputy Prime Minister of the DTR
4) Bashyrov - Prime minister of the Luhansk Terrorist Republic
5) Babai - run of the mill scumbag terrorist
Winner gets a million points
I am puking and laughing at the same time. (and I have had nothing to drink)
It’s a tit for tat thing. Ukrainians are called “fascist junta”, Russian terrorists are just “terrorists”