Ping!
Looks like fragments from a warhead explosion.
Could the panels have been shot up on the ground, after the fact, to confuse the investigation?
It sounds like a pretty contaminated scene.
Wow, what denial, Putin apologists have. Ever heard of a warhead full of shrapnel?
Ask yourself this -
IF it was downed by Ukraine jets, why did Russia bar investigators, if it had nothing to hide? Why did Russia remove that SAM battery, if it had nothing to hide?
As usual, the real criminals betray themselves by their actions, just like OJ running and suicidal.
Next time, try common sense.
Investigators from multiple countries have yet to access the crime scene, yet, FR has a poster that can conduct a forensic analysis from a single jpeg image and resolve all unanswered questions.
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“Shrapnel”
The "spanish air traffic controller" he is referring to is known as "Carlos," and, according to the Spanish, does not actually exist. The Russians made him up out of thin air.
The Russian "radar reports" claim that the SU-25 was flying "on the same level" as the airliner, which is physically impossible, since the SU-35 cannot climb up to that height. The closest an SU-35 could get to the airliner is 3KM, and that would be directly below the airliner.
Next, the cockpick they are referring to was sawn in half and most of it pilfered by the Russkies themselves. What evidence is this guy referring to? Most of it is already gone.
Lastly, the "expert" appears to not be anyone actually there, but someone looking at a random photo, and this, while vomiting up Russian propaganda that was old several days ago. The British have already stated that the evidence from the blackbox suggests it was hit by a SAM due to explosive decompression. Bullets would not destroy an airliner like this and spread its parts for miles. Only a missile would.
It's probably best not to fall for any random BS put out by blogs.
Why was no mayday given? If a jet was taking on machinegun fire, there would be ample time to radio ATC that they were under attack and going down.
2) What should be a typical pattern of holes if a target is hit with a missile? What is the diameter of each steel ball in the missile's payload?
However if it appears that the airplane was hit only in the cockpit area, and from two sides, it certainly creates some questions for the missile theory. Probability of one missile hitting only one small area of the airplane is already small. Probability of two missiles hitting the same area from two sides is nearly zero. Missiles do not choose cockpit (and they can't anyway.) Missiles are designed to bring something down. Cockpit may well be armored; but wings, and engines, and fuel tanks are not - they are the primary target of a missile.
How can this be tested? First, with black boxes. They have registered the pattern of failures; this tells the investigators what mechanisms were damaged, and when. Then the voice recorder may have registered presence of another aircraft, or two, in close proximity. I am not sure how TCAS looks behind the airplane, but I presume it does - and it wouldn't miss an airplane within a few hundred yards. There should have been also the sounds of the actual hit. A missile would generate a single explosion and a single, instantaneous wave of projectiles - one loud thud. An airplane's gun would be likely to create a prolonged sound, as bullets are fired one by one. Especially if two airplanes were shooting in turns.
If the airliner was intentionally shot down, targeting the cockpit would be chosen to instantly disable any radio calls and comments that the pilots could have made while falling to Earth. But even if so, the whole scenario did not unfold as intended, as the airplane fell into an area that allowed recovery of black boxes.
30mm rounds are explosive. There would not be neat little holes in the aircraft skin. There would be big giant holes. Anti-aircraft missiles have proximity triggers that cause the warhead to explode, impacting the target with shrapnel.
An airplane flying at 30,000 feet can be brought down by guns?
Wow...who knew? I’ll never fly again.
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As a pilot who has participated in numerous simulated dogfights I can tell you how impossible it is to line up perpendicular to the nose of a plane traveling over 500 mph.
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One thing I’ve noticed over the years is how they will flood the air with alternate conspiracy theories to divert attention from the truth. People who take the bait are eventually made fools of; people who aren’t deeply engaged in the story see all the alternate stories and conclude that “the truth will never be known”.
Happened a lot during Clinton’s time, when he had a lot to hide. Happens during Obama’s time, as he has even more to hide.
That the Ukrainians managed to fool the separatists into believing they shot down a civilian airliner by mistake, when, all the while, it was the Ukrainian government's well-timed air-to-air attack that did the deed? And now the separatists and their big brother to the north who supplies their toys are scrambling to escape the blame?
That's the sort of plan that only looks good in retrospect. Sane bad guys would never try it, because, a priori, the chances of something going wrong far exceed the chance you'll get away with it. Plus, I doubt the Ukrainians are actually that evil.
Anyway the forensic procedure in the cases like the MH-17 requires all the wreckage to be collected and put together.