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Fears grow of Ebola spreading to Europe
AFP ^ | 7/30/14 | Robin Millard

Posted on 07/30/2014 7:23:40 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue

Doctors Without Borders (MSF) warned the crisis gripping Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone would only get worse and could not rule out it spreading to other countries.

The International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) has met global health officials on implementing measures to halt the spread of the disease, as the pan-African airline ASKY suspended all flights to and from the capitals of Liberia and Sierra Leone.

Meanwhile the European Union allocated an extra two million euros ($2.7 million) to fight the outbreak, bringing total EU funding to 3.9 million euros

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Maybe we should just airlift these people Pop Tarts so they wouldn't have to worry about eating rotting bat meat??

Ah Africa... Home to all man's wonderful diseases.......

1 posted on 07/30/2014 7:23:40 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue
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To: TangledUpInBlue

Quarantines are not necessarily a bad thing.


2 posted on 07/30/2014 7:32:20 AM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

Ebola AND Islamofascism. Spreading like wildfire across the globe.


3 posted on 07/30/2014 7:32:27 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (America is not a refugee camp! It is my home!!!)
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To: TangledUpInBlue
Ah Africa... Home to all man's wonderful diseases.......

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4 posted on 07/30/2014 7:33:08 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Now THAT just made my day........


5 posted on 07/30/2014 7:34:14 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue (I have no home. I'm the wind.)
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To: TangledUpInBlue
Imagine, just for a second, anyone who wishes us ill shipping a herd of sick kids to the border. Then several of those kids are storehoused at military bases and other locations throughout the country before being released into the general population.

It is a nightmare scenario from a Clancy novel ...right???

6 posted on 07/30/2014 7:34:53 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: TangledUpInBlue

Are being insensitive to the ebola virus? Isn’t that discrimination? Ebola has rights like anyone else. Are you ebola-phobic? Maybe we should bring ebola to America and resettle it throughout our communities. It is only fair. Possibly ebola is “the best and brightest” of viruses...maybe a “dream” virus.


7 posted on 07/30/2014 7:39:15 AM PDT by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse

Pestilence
War
Famine
Death

They’re coming folks, some have already arrived


8 posted on 07/30/2014 7:45:44 AM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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9 posted on 07/30/2014 7:50:53 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: pfflier

The only thing - and I’m kind of “into” Ebola.... sick, I know. The thing with VHF’s is that they are far too efficient in their lethality. Most people fall too ill to travel and/or die way before they have time to make it to a population center.

Couple that with our medical facilities being - just a bit! :) - better than the procedures in Africa and we can quarantine things much faster and better.

Finally, as long as Ebola (and Marburg) stay infectious and don’t become contagious, then we’re ok. The real scary thing would be something with the killing power of ebola and the communicability of smallpox.

The Russians were working on that if you believe Ken Alibek......


10 posted on 07/30/2014 7:55:03 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue (I have no home. I'm the wind.)
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To: Robe

The scouts are already here.


11 posted on 07/30/2014 7:57:10 AM PDT by sport
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To: TangledUpInBlue
NYT July 29

Federal officials have warned government employees here that the arrival next week of 50 African leaders — and their motorcades — will bring city traffic to a standstill during a two-day White House summit meeting about issues on the continent.

12 posted on 07/30/2014 8:03:17 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Ah Africa... Home to all man’s wonderful diseases.......

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The one you pictured is particularly ‘malignant’.


13 posted on 07/30/2014 8:04:57 AM PDT by Qiviut ( One of the most delightful things about a garden is the anticipation it provides. (W.E. Johns)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

The only thing - and I’m kind of “into” Ebola.... sick, I know.

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If you are predisposed to medical matters, it’s fascinating stuff although this is ‘terrifyingly’ fascinating.


14 posted on 07/30/2014 8:09:10 AM PDT by Qiviut ( One of the most delightful things about a garden is the anticipation it provides. (W.E. Johns)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

They better be afraid. This thing could make the plague look like a case of the sniffles.


15 posted on 07/30/2014 8:16:21 AM PDT by onona (I’ve pretty much given up on sanity returning.)
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To: TangledUpInBlue
It sounds like my scenario would be hard to do...directly with ebola. Last night the Fox news story said the incubation period is 3 to 21 days. I went on that and assumed the 21 day window could allow introduction into the general population.

Any disease could be spread efficiently via the border because we have simply given up on stopping the illegals. Now we are only figuring out how to accomodate them.

16 posted on 07/30/2014 8:18:10 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: TangledUpInBlue
Ever since reading OUTBREAK I've been morbidly fascinated with the danger of an out of control disease. In this last outbreak, the fatalities have been down to 60% instead of the historical 90%. That would indicate that Ebola is becoming less lethal, thus more likely to spread.

One thing that unnerved me a little is that families of those working with Ebola joined them in Africa. It seems to indicate less respect for the threat Ebola poses. Another is that if Ebola morphs into something less lethal, it's highly unlikely anything extreme would be done to stop its spread. Halting plane travel to and from affected areas and closing borders would be bad for the global economy.

It's a miracle there hasn't been a global pandemic of Ebola or something else already. With millions of people, globally, living in unsanitary conditions, in war-torn areas and refugee camps, crossing borders at will, it seems likely that it will at some point happen.

17 posted on 07/30/2014 8:19:48 AM PDT by grania
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To: Kartographer

I’ve been thinking about this for sometime since they found MERS in the air of a camel barn in Saudi while the Ebola outbreak was growing.

I don’t know if Ebola, MERS or something entirely different will lead to a SHTF event, but with the present ‘Open’ border policy bringing in any number of communicable diseases and the real chance that some carriers could be sent here on purpose as ‘bio bombs’ it brings up a real possibility of extended quarantines being imposed. In fact it may get to a point in which a wise person will impose a quarantine on their family even if health officials don’t.

There are more than a few FReepers who like to point out how silly they see preparing for a ‘Mad Max’ situation is, but what if it isn’t ‘Mad Max’? What if it is something as simple as being able to shelter in place for 30-60 days while an outbreak runs its course? Could you make it through such a quarantine with what you have in your home? If you haven’t thought about it maybe its time.

As the LDS say “When the emergency is upon us the time for preparedness has past.”


18 posted on 07/30/2014 8:25:57 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: TangledUpInBlue

Diversity is our greatest strength. Keep those borders open.


19 posted on 07/30/2014 8:28:27 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Perhaps the spread of this modern plague will teach the world that they need outside help.


20 posted on 07/30/2014 8:32:35 AM PDT by 353FMG
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To: TangledUpInBlue

All flights in and out of active Ebola zones should be stopped.

Ebola’s more dangerous in the United States and Europe than in Africa because the way our cities are constructed.

One person in a thirty story Miami condo could kill 90% of their neighbors. Same with large office buildings in New York or Berlin. When residents realize they’ll die from secondary contract in an elevator... contracting the disease from the buttons on the elevator - then realize there no place for them to hide from the virus - they’ll panic. Some will pack up and go ‘home’ - back to aging parents in single family homes... And the virus will spread like wildfire.

On the lighter brighter side most of the people living in expensive inner city high rises are liberal elites... (just kidding - no, we don’t want liberal elites to die horrible deaths...)

Oh, and medical personnel will die first...


21 posted on 07/30/2014 8:53:55 AM PDT by GOPJ (Liberal elites want immigrants as servants providing cheap labor, drugs, and competition for jobs.)
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To: Kartographer

Ebola has already been to the US in the Reston, VA strain. There are many strains of Ebola, from Sudan, Zaire, Ivory Coast...

I’m not sure what strain is primarily responsible for this outbreak but a mortality rate of 60% for Sudan or Ivory Coast is pretty much the norm.

Zaire is the most lethal - and that mortality rate is 80-90%. But those rates are also from larger outbreaks in the 1970s when we didn’t know as much about VHF’s as we do now.


22 posted on 07/30/2014 8:55:33 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue (I have no home. I'm the wind.)
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To: GOPJ

Ebola is not spread that way. It’s infectious, not contagious. You need direct contact with bodily fluids of an infected person.

Ebola virus particles degrade when exposed to light in less than a minute. Transmission has to be direct - blood to blood, saliva to saliva, vomit to blood or cut.

You can’t get it from an elevator button.


23 posted on 07/30/2014 8:57:37 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue (I have no home. I'm the wind.)
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To: GOPJ

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/07/140729-ebola-america-disease-epidemic-africa-medicine-science/

“Why Deadly Ebola Virus Is Likely to Hit the U.S. But Not Spread”


24 posted on 07/30/2014 8:58:04 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: TangledUpInBlue
"You can’t get it from an elevator button."

Although most of your facts are correct based on study of traditional Ebola filoviris, I think you are overly complacent on the transmissibility. Obviously, wet oral secretion on a doorknob or elevator button would be infectious for some limited amount of time. Some of the infections of suited medical personnel are difficult to explain. Either there were gross safety protocol errors or the transmissibility of this strain is greater than thought. In addition, mutations could change the ballgame at any time.

25 posted on 07/30/2014 9:18:00 AM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

“Doctors Without Borders (MSF) warned the crisis gripping Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone would only get worse and could not rule out it spreading to other countries.”

“Countries Without Borders”, like the United States, should be taking this very seriously. With the human tidal wave crossing our southern borders, and rapidly being dispersed under executive orders, we could be seeing an explosion of infectious diseases here, too.


26 posted on 07/30/2014 9:20:54 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: TangledUpInBlue; steve86; Justa; GOPJ

It also appears to be spread by mosquitos:

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/infectious-disease-topics/vhf

“Pathogenesis

The pathogenesis of hemorrhagic fever viruses is not completely understood; however, key points include the following (Peters 2002):

Hemorrhagic fever viruses enter the bloodstream through various mechanisms (eg, the bite of a mosquito or tick, inhalation, mucous membrane exposure, parenteral exposure), and all (except hantaviruses) cause disease during the period of viremia.
The infectious dose for hemorrhagic fever viruses appears to be low (1 to 10 organisms) (Franz 1997).”

Which would explain the huge uptick in infection rate after the beginning of rainy season in West Africa on the graph a bit down this page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_West_Africa_Ebola_outbreak


27 posted on 07/30/2014 9:23:53 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: TangledUpInBlue; steve86; Justa; GOPJ; MarMema

It would also explain why the MD’s/health staff working in these clinics seem to be getting ill despite all the precautions being taken. Mosquitos bite the patients then bite the workers.


28 posted on 07/30/2014 9:32:46 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Kartographer
What if it is something as simple as being able to shelter in place for 30-60 days while an outbreak runs its course? Could you make it through such a quarantine with what you have in your home?

If you mean hide out from a Mad max type outbreak where it is each man for himself and you lock yourself in the house and man the guns for 60 days, until it finishes it's pass, then my preps would apply, but if you mean a quarantine like in my child hood, then you would not be condemned to starvation.

Smallpox outbreak, 1950-51
""As children, this venture to our grandparents was something we always looked forward too, lots of nice treats and always a comic and sweets when we left. This particular Sunday we arrived, only to find the door locked and there was a big black cross, painted on the door.

The house in quarantine
My Aunt Alice called out to us from the letterbox. The house was in quarantine due to an outbreak of smallpox. We had to stay away for at least a month, or when we were told it was safe to return. This was the first we new about it, and were told that Brighton was affectedly isolated from the rest of the country. I think that only foodstuff and restricted merchandise was allowed into Brighton, nothing was allowed out until the outbreak had been contained.""

29 posted on 07/30/2014 9:50:32 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: Black Agnes

Good article.


30 posted on 07/30/2014 9:59:15 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12

Whole different world now then back then. Do you really what to depend on FEMA to bring you food? Yeah why not they have proven to be stellar in handling emergencies.

Also depends on where you live, some places will pull together some won’t and there will be panic. Some that pull together will depending on how bad will eventually crack under the pressure if the epidemic is serve enough.


31 posted on 07/30/2014 10:06:30 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: ansel12

I could be wrong they could run a Rupual, Kardashian, American Idol marathon and then no one would leave the house! ;-)


32 posted on 07/30/2014 10:09:28 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Yes, I do expect them to bring me food if they tape a quarantine sticker on my door and tell me not to leave the house for 30 days because I am infectious.


33 posted on 07/30/2014 10:39:25 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12

Do you believe they will do it in a speedy and expeditious manner? Like they did in Katrina, Sandy,........?


34 posted on 07/30/2014 10:51:30 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

More likely they’ll round up all the people in the affected area in some sort of stadium, arena or other facility to ‘facilitate’ their care.

So if one person is infectious...


35 posted on 07/30/2014 10:55:00 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Kartographer

Yes, are you an idiot?

Do you think that people will be starving in their homes if a quarantine sticker is placed on their door?

Don’t work so hard to sound like a B movie all the time.


36 posted on 07/30/2014 11:01:16 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12

You want to depend on FEMA, well go right ahead, but I’m not. I am allowed that choice I would hope, but maybe not it would seem.

If you haven’t had enough real world examples of FEMA’s over reach and incompetence then there is nothing I can say, but I have seen enough to know that FEMA can’t manage a hang nail.

I will not put the lives and the needs of my family in their incapable hands.


37 posted on 07/30/2014 11:13:05 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Why would I need to depend on them, I am a survivalist.

But do I think that if the county health officer puts a quarantine sticker on a family’s door, and explains to them that they are infectious and to not leave the house for 30 days, while health people check up on them and bring food, that it means that in reality they are going to sit in the house and starve to death while life goes on outside their window? No I don’t.


38 posted on 07/30/2014 11:17:54 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12

Handful yes you are right, but what if movement is restricted in whole cities? What if it isn’t they are restricted enough, but you know that there are multiple cases. Are you going to conduct business as usual not knowing if the person you just bought a gallon of milk and a pack of gum is infected?

This won’t be a handful of outlaying houses it will be whole cities.


39 posted on 07/30/2014 11:33:25 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

LOL, the B movie scenario about a 40 year old disease that has killed probably a 1000 people over it’s history.

Do we have to go straight to Road Warrior Apocalypse, mightn’t it just turn out to be another disease that we can handle and learn to take in stride if need be?

Even the deadly decades of AIDS have never destroyed us and had people abandoned to starve because we won’t let them go get some take out.


40 posted on 07/30/2014 11:46:50 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12

“There is no greater disaster than to underestimate danger. Underestimation can be fatal.”


41 posted on 07/30/2014 11:50:54 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Geez, panicking and crying wolf over everything, isn’t useful or adult.

The goal is to be accurate and realistic, not screaming the same panic and call of total destruction “the end is near” at every noise you hear.


42 posted on 07/30/2014 11:55:58 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3186946/posts

That was the Spanish flu only a 2.5 mortality rate. I was also back before travel was as easy and as prevalent as it is today.


43 posted on 07/30/2014 11:58:56 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

So?

Why not post the black Plague next? Perhaps you can post the old claims that Aids was going to kill us all, maybe do small pox and Indians.


44 posted on 07/30/2014 12:03:25 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12

Some people you just can’t help. Well at least I know you have a bullet for me.


45 posted on 07/30/2014 12:05:17 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

A bullet for you? what kind of melodramatic insanity is that?

As far as help, you mean not everyone is an idiot and has to chant the same lime for every thing.

You think that Ebola means complete breakdown and the apocalypse and collapse of America, and I don’t agree.

When will we know the results about Ebola and which one of us is right? One year, two, five?


46 posted on 07/30/2014 12:09:49 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12

I said nothing about a complete break down I did say you need to be able to stand on your own for 30-60 days, because I don’t trust FEMA to be able to handle such an event.

As far as the bullet my memory appears to be a bit longer than others.


47 posted on 07/30/2014 12:13:09 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

I want you to tell me why you are bringing up shooting as you pursue this strange raving against me.

As far as you not talking about a total breakdown, me saying that if the county health officer quarantines a family for Ebola, that they won’t be allowed to starve, your argument that they would be, can only be explained by you thinking of a Mad Max America destroyed by Ebola.

By the way we already have a family quarantined here for Ebola.


48 posted on 07/30/2014 12:21:36 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: pfflier; Raebie

Thank you! For those not as familiar with Ebola and potentials...this is a definite read as it is based on a true story.

“The Hot Zone” free .pdf download:

http://learn.flvs.net/educator/common/EnglishIIv10/TheHotZone.pdf


49 posted on 07/30/2014 12:23:58 PM PDT by EBH (And the head wound was healed, and Gog became man.)
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To: ansel12

Correction, another article says the family isn’t quarantined, but is being “monitored”.


50 posted on 07/30/2014 12:24:21 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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