Where Does the Carbon Dioxide Really Come From?

CDA PRESS ^ | July 2013 | IAN PLIMER

[Dick Bachert]

I've been saying THIS for over 10 years. Sad that so few listen or seem to care. I guess the libtards slept through all those biology classes!! FACT: The entire Algore global warming madness is NOT about saving the planet. It's all about saving rescuing the left's failing plan to retain their power over the "great unwashed". If you're unsure who that is, glance into the nearest mirror!! This is very important stuff. PLEASE SHARE WIDELY!!!!

[Jack Hydrazine]

EPA document supports ~3% of atmospheric carbon dioxide is attributable to human sources

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/07/29/epa-document-supports-3-of-atmospheric-carbon-dioxide-is-attributable-to-human-sources/

[Leo Carpathian]

aaaand what about them forest fires?
Greennuts preventing roads and breaks in forests to allow firefighting when fires just start.

[JimSEA]

All most all economic geologists, if not most geologists will say the same thing although a good number certainly accept climate change. For that matter, so do I. The geologic record is full of evidence for almost constant climate change both regionally and, less frequently, global. What does not have a consensus is the reasons underlying the change.

[PATRIOT1876]

I'm not too sure about sharing this. Almost every source that I've looked up says that Prof. Plimeris’ findings are not accurate. They say that CO2 coming out of volcanoes is still less than from carbon in from “fossil” fuels.

On the other hand, most sources spew the lies on AGW worse than any volcanoes, so it's pretty hard to find actual Science against the man-made warming hoax.

None of this changes the fact that the Climate Change Hoax is a load of horse hockey intended to give governments more power and line the pockets of carbon credit profiteers like Algore and his ilk.

[Dick Bachert]

Exactly. Algore’s minions will swear it’s AGW.

I’m convinced it’s the behavior of that flaming ball of gas — and I’m not talking about Dingy Harry Reid — in the sky!

[Carl Vehse]

What is the reference for the excerpts attributed to Ian Plimer?

[Dick Bachert]

And the “scientists” beating the drum for AGW are the same guys who depend on those GOVERNMENT GRANTS to do their alleged “research”. Does anyone except an obozo voter REALLY think these guys are going to come down with “findings” refuting the government’s position???

And just when the hell could we trust the leftist print and digital media to dispense the truth on damn near anything that does not square with their agenda??

[Dick Bachert]

And the “scientists” beating the drum for AGW are the same guys who depend on those GOVERNMENT GRANTS to do their alleged “research”. Does anyone except an obozo voter REALLY think these guys are going to come down with “findings” refuting the government’s position???

And just when the hell could we trust the leftist print and digital media to dispense the truth on damn near anything that does not square with their agenda??

[stubernx98]

Correcto mudo!

So true, and typical of how Enviros think and operate. Re climate change: In the last 250 million years there has been over 1,000 heating cooling cycles. A Cycle averages about 100,000 years, with the cooling being about 90,000 years, and warming about 10,000 years. We are 13,000 years into the current warming period. Three things cause those cycles:

1. Orbital Mechanics - Earth moving closer or further from sun -
2. Heating cooling cycles of the sun
3. Plate techtonics - the movement of the earths surface. This can cause massive volcanic acativity, change ocean currents etc.

BTW, CO2 is a very minor green house gas. Water vapor 500 times more casual.

Be afraid as we are overdue for the next ice age which will wipe out most life.

Ian has got it:

[Sioux-san]

It’s all about the CHAOS these wackos can create - if billions were to die because they got their way on stopping all human development (especially in the 3rd world), they would celebrate. These truly are the Minions of Death.

Iceland isn’t the only place that had a huge volcanic belch into the atmosphere - there have been more than a hundred such eruptions in the last 20 years with more than 50 volcanoes that erupt every year. Hey, but don’t bother these nutcases with any facts.

[bereanway]

We can argue over the data, but one thing is for certain, AGW or climate change or whatever it’s to be called was never the result of scientific inquiry. It has nothing to do with saving the planet.********************************

Prominent members of the Club of Rome include Al Gore and Maurice Strong, both of whom are intimately involved with privately-owned carbon trading groups like the Chicago Climate Exchange, whose multi-million dollar profits are solely reliant on protecting the credibility of the man-made global warming thesis from skeptics who have challenged its legitimacy in light of the Climategate scandal.

On page 75 of their 1990 publication entitled The First Global Revolution, the organization outlined how they would manufacture ecological scares in order to manipulate the public into accepting the imposition of a dictatorial world government run by them.

“In searching for a common enemy against whom we can unite, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill…. All these dangers are caused by human intervention… The real enemy, then, is humanity itself,” states the report.

The passage appears under a subheadline entitled, “The common enemy of humanity is Man.”

Paul Joseph Watson

[D Rider]

I'm not too sure about sharing this. Almost every source that I've looked up says that Prof. Plimeris’ findings are not accurate. They say that CO2 coming out of volcanoes is still less than from carbon in from “fossil” fuels.

If you do the math yourself, you will see he is correct, or very close to it. You will also notice that man-made CO2 is only a very small fraction of the Carbon cycle. Also, note that even if the carbon cycle was as powerful a positive feedback loop as suggested by some. The Hydrologic cycle is an even stronger negative feedback loop and is what keeps the temperature ranges relatively stable, (and the earth habitable.) The other major cycles that govern temperature on earth is the solar cycle and the orbital cycle. These two cycles have the greatest impact on temperature and, for the time being, are completely out of mans control.

[Jack Hydrazine]

Climate spin – more than just a game, it’s ‘Wheel of Gore’
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/07/28/climate-spin-more-than-just-a-game-its-wheel-of-gore/

[JimSEA]

It may be a function of just what is being measured. For instance, Yellowstone puts out huge amounts of CO2 but it is not erupting. There are sources of CO2 independent of volcanos as well. If you separate the natural sources from man made sources, it’s close. Also recall that the methane produced by cattle is marked up to human source (as if there weren’t herds of buffalo before cattle).

[MMaschin]

Look into Murry Salby, he's found that 1) the CO2 increase is FOLLOWING not leading warming, in the short term, not just the long term, and 2) increased atmospheric CO2 levels are not occurring down wind of major urban environments, it is occurring down wind of warm ocean waters. Basically, he's shown that not only is CO2 not responsible for recent warming, he's shown that it's nature and not human activity that's leading to increased atmospheric CO2!

Ok, so why do alarmists believe that increased CO2 levels are man made? There is a reason. There are multiple isotopes of Carbon. Volcanoes put out both 12C and 13C, but the increased CO2 is predominately 12C based. Plants much prefer 12C based CO2. Since the CO2 that is released when we burn oil is coming from fossilized plant life, it is 12C based CO2. So, that is why the alarmists claim that the increased CO2 in the atmosphere is coming from burning fossil fuels, and not volcanoes, because if it was simply coming from volcanoes, then the increased CO2 would be a combination of 12C and 13C based CO2, but it's not.

Salby discovered that the above scenario is false.

When volcanoes release CO2 (both 12C and 13C), the majority goes into 'sinks'. This CO2 absorbs in the oceans, and soil, and is consumed by plants, and many other natural 'sinks'.

What Salby was able to show is that warming leads to greater plant life - particularly ocean algae. With increased algea, more 12C CO2 is consumed by the algea, and more 13C CO2 goes to other natural 'sinks'. And what happens when you have more algae? You have more algae dying, and releasing their CO2.

Basically, he has shown that not all 'sinks' are equal. Some will hold onto their CO2 for a long time, and some will release it after a shorter period of time.

This explains how the increased proportion of 12C based CO2 over 13C based CO2 can be the result of a natural sink, and not an anthropological one. And since the increased 12C CO2 is occurring down wind of warming ocean waters, it's kind of clear what is causing it!

[MrB]

Uh... from one carbon atom combined with two oxygen atoms, perhaps?

[PATRIOT1876]

“And just when the hell could we trust the leftist print and digital media to dispense the truth on damn near anything that does not square with their agenda??”

It could very well be that the truth on this topic has been “scrubbed” from the Internet as those who hate truth do from time to time.

[Jack Hydrazine]

Earth From Space HD 1080p / Nova
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38peWm76l-U

Great documentary. Worth the 1 hour and 54 minutes to watch.

[publius911]

Where Does the Carbon Dioxide Really Come From?

Hate to sound ungrateful, Richard, but that's not a very useful excerpt.

Just sayin...